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    See yourself out Allen haters!!!!

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    I hate that he continues to give the media more opportunity to go with their non-analysis he turns the ball over too much, but what can you say, 2 more interceptions and another fumble, all in scoring positions. 

    But then he runs for 15-yards on 3rd-13 with the game on the line.

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    Bills at Dolphins post game thread

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    37 minutes ago, Process said:

    The scoreboard won't show it, and it sure as hell didn't feel like, but that game was another complete domination of the dolphins. We should have won by 30 points if it weren't for a complete ********* of a first half where we did everything possible to beat ourselves.

     

    What a rollercoaster this season has been.

     

    Somehow, someway we are the 2 seed. Go bills.

    First Int should have been at least a FG, Brady stopped running the ball. 
     

    Cook’s drop

     

    Allen’s over throw of Diggs (stop me if you’ve heard me say that)

     

    Allen’s second Interception was a turndown, at least that’s what was said on the telecast. 
     

    The Ty Johnson at the goal line was behind him or he scores there.
     

    Then again in scoring range and Allen fumbles the ball. 
     

    That’s 23 points at least left on the field.

     

    Bills will have to work on all out pressure looks this week. 
     

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    Bills-Dolphins Week 18 for the Division! SUNDAY NIGHT GAME

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    2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

     

    The star player on each level of our defense is hurt: Miller, Milano, and White.   They may have more starters injured but we might have more quality lost due to injury.

    Miller never came back from the ACL and now you look at it, why did they play him so early? Could have just left him on PUP and brought him back for the stretch run. 
     

    We don’t trade for Douglas if Tre never gets hurt. And Douglas is playing better than Tre has in 2-years. That’s a plus. 
     

    There is no replacing Milano. 
     

    With DaQuan back that’s 10/11 starters from the opener counting Douglas in for Tre.

     

    We have 0 offensive injuries.

     

    The Bills are 95% healthy in Week 18.

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    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I'm not sure about "over emphasis on trying to get the ball to Diggs".  I'm saying that because I did a quick thumb-through of some other top teams, and it seems as though a *****-ton of targets to the top WR is a not uncommon pattern for top offenses.  Dallas, for example, targetted CeeDee Lamb 168 times; their 2nd target their TE with 98.  Detroit, Amon Ra St Brown 154 times, Sam Laporta second with 113.  Note that in both those offenses, the #2 target is a TE, in the Detroit case a rookie TE.  Eagles AJ Brown 157 to Davonta Smith with 112.  On the Lambs, Puka Nacua just took over 154 to Kupp 94.

     

    Other teams of course are more equitable with a #1 and #2 receiver.  San Francisco, Miami, Packers, etc.

     

    The point is it's a perfectly reasonable offensive strategy to target your best player and 152 targets for Diggs as the #1 is not necessarily out of line around the league.  Nor is it out of line to have the 2nd most targeted guy be the TE.  What's a bit unusual is how relatively few yards Diggs has for that number of targets (Kincaid too).

     

    When I think of the Bills 2022 and 2023 offense, the word that comes to mind is "disjointed".  It just didn't flow.  It didn't work together right.  The various pieces (Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, Davis, even Harty) just didn't seem as though they were being used to their best advantage.

     

    Ex-NFL QB who do film breakdown have dropped some breadcrumbs, of which my bottom line summation is, it's more than one cause.

     

     

    I think of Chris Simms who’s been saying for 2 years there is nothing scary about the Bills offense.

     

    Greg Cosell has called Diggs a “high level possession receiver” and all the rest have been broken down here.

     

    Cook looked like he could be the #2 weapon on this offense after Dallas, but that has since disappeared again.

     

    So Chris Simms is now saying the Bills should adopt the Chiefs reality and muddy the game up by running , and playing field position and defense. 
     

    We can help ourselves by taking Knox off the field more, phasing out Murray completely, and not putting Sherfield on the field - for one game, but guys are going to need breathers.

     

     

    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    1 minute ago, Mango said:


    Let me start by saying every team in the league would love Miami or Cincinatti’s weapons. 
     

    But once you pay your QB and that cap hit starts to come to life you can’t maintain that. 
     

    That said, I believe that having Diggs, Kincaid, and Cook as your top 3 targets is a very good set up. The rest of the pass catching core should be role players. And honestly, Davis has had a few games now with almost no targets, and that’s a good spot for him. The issue is setting up Diggs, Kincaid, and Cook up for success. All three of those guys need to be featured on a regular and they’re not under either OC. 

    It’s what’s maddening about the Bills.

     

    Kincaid 4-87 last week, and this week he could have 1-target.

     

    Cook 5-83 one week, and 1 for -4 the next two weeks combined.

     

    It’s an erratic pass game, with a black hole at #2 and Knox who just makes Kincaid less effective. 
     

    Diggs got on his horse last week and tried to catch that deep ball from Allen. I don’t see any limp, knee bracing, or anything else that’s wrong with him. 

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    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    8 minutes ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

    I think one problem with Allen’s passing this season is the over emphasis on trying to get the ball to Diggs. We need to just find the open receiver, regardless of who it is. I know Diggs is WR1, but he doesn’t always get open. I know he gets angry when he thinks he’s under utilized, but that’s just the way it is sometimes.  I completely agree we need to make our first pick next April a WR, if there’s a good one available. 

    I think the exact opposite.

     

    Diggs (and Shakir) should be peppered with targets. 
     

    Gabe is inefficient, I wish Harty would get 1-2 targets/game but he’s mothballed by this coaching staff, Sherfield is absolutely useless.

     

    That’s your WR group. 
    One Alpha, one dependable slot, a one-route WR who depends on broken coverages and two useless WRs who don’t get targeted. 
     

    Passing offense is best in 011 because it gets Diggs, Gabe, Shakir, Kincaid and Cook on the field. 
     

    The league leaders are 11.5 targets/game.
     

    YTD Diggs is currently 9.5, he’s 8.5 under Brady, and 6.6 in the last 3 games. 
     

    I think Allen should look for him more.

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    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Bengals spent $64M, $31M guaranteed, on Orlando Brown Jr.  That's a pretty big spend.  $21M on Germaine Pratt?  Now I grant you their cap hits last year were pretty small potatoes, and I haven't looked at the contract details.  But seems like they do spend at times.

    Hendrickson and Reader were FAs.

     

    As was Bell. 
     

    Yeah, they’re not know as big FA players.

     

     

    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

     

    I sit corrected. 

     

    Point stands that two of the Bengals 3 star WR are gonna hit FA this year along with their OT Jonah Williams and key defender DJ Reader.  

     

    We'll see how they handle that. 

    Historically the Bengals don’t spend money in FA. 

    Last year they sat on the wayside and watched: Perine, Hurst, Bates, Bell, Tre Flowers, Eli Apple walk off the team. 

     

    Pratt came back on a team-friendly deal, and they locked up Logan Wilson in the middle of this season. 
     

    It wasn’t until late in FA they brought Nick Scott in. 


    So they’re looking at Reader, Williams, Boyd, Higgins, Awuzie. 

    Last year they compensated for the FA losses in the secondary with the draft, they’re set in the secondary for 2024. 


    I anticipate DT for them, and they’ll add to the offense.

     

    Even when they drafted Chase at #5, the other option being discussed here was Sewell because Burrow’s knee was wrecked the season before. 

     

    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    31 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    The Bengals 1, 2, and 3rd round picks this year were all on defense.  Exact same thing last year.  When we look at the Bengal's Salary Cap, Burrow is the top hit of course, followed by Reader and Hendrickson on D; their top salary cap hits are about evenly split between O and D.  It's true that their biggest FA splash was at LT, but their other two "splashes" were at LB and Safety.

     

    They didn't just let their two safeties walk, they let Hayden Hurst (TE) go and replaced him with a vet minimum UDFA type. 

     

    Look, there are some specific arguments one can make about the Bills roster build - including that they under-invested on OL and at WR until this past season, while Cincy drafted a WR in round 2 the year they drafted Burrow and doubled down with another in Rd 1 next season. 

     

    But the full picture of how the Bengals are handling their roster is far more nuanced than the picture you paint.  They are NOT just making decisions based on "what was best for their offense", or they would have picked up Higgins 5th year option instead of having him head for FA.  They had to make big splash investments in OT because their '21 2nd round pick busted.  And the Bengals needed to "work tirelessly" to shore up their OL, because it was so bad Burrow was leading the league in Sacks per Game his first 2 seasons, and is still way up there.

     

    The Bengals, like other teams, are trying to build a team where they balance offense and defense.  It shows in how they're spending their cap.  It shows in making hard decisions like not to pick up Higgins 5th year option or let Hurst walk after a year, and this year Boyd is headed for FA.  It shows in how they're using their 1st-3rd draft picks the last two seasons, despite knowing their Superstar WRs Chase and Higgins are going to need to be paid soon.

     

    Frankly, the problem the Bills have had on O hasn't so much been under-investment, as that their investments on O haven't worked out here - Zay Jones, Cody Ford, Zack Moss, even Spencer Brown.  And it's not that these guys totally can't play, since Jones looked like a real #2 for Jax last season and helped them to playoffs last year and this.  Cody Ford is playing OG for that "makes decisions based on what is best for their offense and surround their QB with the Best Possible Talent on O" team you extol.  And Zack Moss is tearing it up for the Colts, who are currently leading the AFC South.  Spencer Brown is looking like a good RB OT, still shaky in pass pro.

    TL;DR Come On Man.  The picture is way more nuanced than you write.  The Bengals have made decisions on contracts and draft picks that balance offense and defense, just like we have.  You can make an argument that the Bills have under-invested in receiver and OL until recently, but a detailed look just doesn't support your contentions about the Bengals making decisions based on what was best for their offense or "working tirelessly to surround him with the best possible talent on O".

    Higgins is a second round pick, there is no 5th year option. 
     

    Bengals fans down here are not anticipating Mike Brown ponying up the market contract money, they think is will be Isovias taking that spot.

     

    And to your point, they bypassed a chance to get a good Tight End in the draft and trade deadline. 

    Bills receivers are not getting open, but Allen finds them when they do

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    33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    Allen is the main reason the Bills are a Superbowl threat every single year. But down the stretch here it hasn't been Superman Josh and 21 guys. They have turned their season around through really strong team performances particularly on defense and they have ran the ball well. The passing game has been the bit that has been lagging behind. 

     

    It isn't nitpicking. It is honest analysis of what the Bills have put on film.

    Average Allen game under Brady (6 games now):

     

    18.2 completions 

    31.8 attempts

    224.5 yards

    57.1 completion %

    7.3 yards/attempt

    1.30 TDs per game

    0.8 Interceptions/game

     

    Rating = 84.4

    QBR = 57.25

     

    From a running standpoint:

    8.0 rushing attempts/game

    35.2 yards/game

    4.2 yards/attempt

    1.3 TDs/game

     

     

    Have the Bills drawn many pass interference calls?

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    Posted · Edited by Straight Hucklebuck

    On 1/4/2024 at 1:06 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Diggs had a great chance to draw a PI last week if he just stops running and let's the defender crash into him on the underground ball Josh threw while scrambling. The defender had no idea where the ball was.

    Davis has had at least two other such plays where he makes little to no effort to come back to an underthrown ball.  

    Yeah, it’s a trait all our WRs don’t have.

     

    Our WRs adjust pretty well to low throws as Allen throws a lot of balls that die out, especially on in-breaking routes. Two or three times a games our WRs are having to dive/slide on the ground.

     

    The problem comes on deep routes. There is a whole category of routes that our WRs can’t do. None of them come back to the ball, fight through contact, high point the ball, or win a contested catch in the air.

     

    With Gabe Davis, Allen literally has to throw perfect balls that land in his arms because he can’t do anything else but run straight. 
     

     

     

     

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