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Im no devout pro lifer but ive asked this question before and never gotten a answer. If someone attacks a pregnant woman with the intent to kill her fetus and is successful, is the charge simply physical assault? If yes, does this not set a dangerous precident for people who wish to skirt responsability for 18+ years? If no...its murder. That says fetuses are living individuals. If yes..then womens INTENT on conceiving is the only standard for a fetus having a life. Not trying to debate just get a answer from a angle other then the normal left right positions.

And you got a sentace and meme. Lol.

I like the imbacilic edit down to one sentace to simplify my stance. Id expect nothing less from you. So highlight. Which of the stories would you like to denounce as propaganda or write a sentance and meme? How bout the one where boris johnson nix peace talks? The one that russia wants guarantees ukraine will never be entered into NATO before it attempts a peace talk. Or i can cut and paste a twitter rando that "knows stuff" like you do for facts. I dont know if you know this but we are in america with american media. Id think the citizens who are paying for the war across the globe would be let in on what OUR TERMS would be. Especially as any russian info is pretty scarce anyways. you seem really close with joe. Everyone on the board had alot of taxes taken out last couple years for this war. whats the plan to end this and keep Ukrainians alive? Fill us in.

Then why are they forcing military aged men to fight? Prying them off of busses in front of their children. Why are they suspending elections so people cant choose a leader that may have a different way? Why are they stopping journalists from telling their stories..its all a heroic fight against evil right? What are they scared of? Why are their leaders caught with US funds that every penny should be used to fight against the utter destruction and starvation you speak? But most importantly..why isnt it even whispered what it would take to end it. Ever think the ultimate goal os not Ukraine at all. Its drawing america into finacing a forever war (which we love). Depleting our treasury and our military to a point where a enemy can attack a severly weakend country that is already divided and half of it is cheering its own Destruction as the real putin puppets? No. Not at all?

We had this discussion awhile ago. Its hard to say which to "give away" since there has been absolutely no talk of peace negotiations from this administrarion and your comfortable recliner. We dont know if its a small province or hell even just a promise that nato to stay away from russias front door.. not that our treaties mean much if you know history. So its hypothetical. Whats for certain is your position. Thousands of more young Ukrainians WILL die in this war. So how many more of them do YOU wish to sacrifice before you even inquire what peace costs. How much more tax money do we spend to watch? How many more stories of men being dragged away from their families and FORCED to fight are enough? How many stories of corruption of millions of US dollars lost to oligarchs bank accounts? And again, which of your family will you be willing to send when inevitably russia who has millions of more troops runs out of Ukrainians? Land can always be regained in the future. Lives can not. Seeing as russia has gone to great lengths to avoid conflict with nato..even as nordstream was destroyed, even as direct nato intervention has obviously been added to ukrainian support, kinda tells me they are not interested in Poland or starting any other world wars any time soon.

Jay lenno is leader of the boogaloos?

Well i guess Its a war on hispanics, asian americans, indians, middle easterner on and on. Its discrimitory not to get full anthem representation for all people and cultures that do not want to be included in a single unified anthem. Hopefully the NFL realizes how bigoted it is and starts the opening ceremony at the crack of dawn to include all anthems from every background since we are now just a bunch of individual groups who happen to live in proximity to one another.

You want it both ways. Stop main lining news max yet you know russia is reeling. Where is this info? What are you main lining? How bout iran? Are they reeling? Seem like they are a bit emboldened as of late. Id say we are alot more on the brink with three threats directly attacking us or allies then any time trump was in office. Hell we have texas saying enough while biden is opposing them defending thier own border. We might be on the brink of CIVIL WAR. All this chaos is normalized because 'you know" the alternative is a unmitigated clown show. Because biden passed a bunch of huge bills that noone can honestly say have benefitted from...hes done better. Ill believe it when i see it but as of now...cost, crime, housing, war, immigration. Every bit of it is far worse now, then its ever been. you guys never give any real world examples on how life was so much worse. He SAID stuff. The media Told me things. Hes ACCUSED of. How about policy? You know real tangible things that effected your life and not opinion.

This month they are mad that republicans wont let them build a wall and they cant remove the top political rival from voters choice. Not a single thought that this all is a non issue with good policy from a competent administration. Not one. instead flail around on pure desperation tactics and hope for the best.

its a bit unsettling to know a terrorist who plots and executes a plan to "destroy democracy and this country" can just walk around freely for 4 years. im sure the russians and iranians are very pleased. Try to destroy america and they will only be judged by left wing media pundits for years. Just dont run in the general election. Lol.

Lol. Hundreds tracked down and arrested. Impeachment proceeded against the man. Which lost A full "hearing" showing it all on prime time television. Years go by not a charge brought. just cnn and your threads crying about it nonstop. Which part of this 4 years were "swept under the rug"? Where were the formal charges all this time? Right. Proceed with your manufactured outrage over it. Everyone else sees it for what it was. Not under any dillusion the people in politics are corrupt. Look at ALL their stock portfolios alone. Its clear. What of it?

Removing the leading canidate from the ballot? Nicki haley still lost the primary to "noone" Having a clearly biased jan 6th trial on national tv that did nothing to change anyones mind. Changing NY statute of limitations. Waiting until election season to file charges that were obviously held back because everyone knows they are interested in a media smear campaign for the headlines, not justice. Win or lose...this is the most pathetic way to beat a political opponent. A "low bar" one as you put it.

And yet they have to resort to such desperate tactics to beat this "low bar" and are losing in the polls? It should tell you somthing But it wont.

Just curious what you think is center/left? I concider myself center left, and think the right fights for more of those principals today then the left.

If we all knew that why was it ignored so long and why are democrats not assisting texas in fixing it. They certainly didnt mind undermining republicans when it came to giving sanctuary ect ect. Now absolutely nothing can be done unless republicans approve? Sure. This goes on every election cycle. Both sides go out of their way to make each other look bad and the citizens pay the price. Remember when pelosi held back covid checks from people THEY said could not work as a bargaining chip to get their guy elected. I do. Same as it ever was. New election.

You missed my point. The boarder has been a disaster since biden stepped in. The dems suddenly want to fix it during a election cycle the same way the republicans dont. Both are political yet only one side you want acknowledged as such. The difference. Which one do you think will truley address it when the election is over? The one that ignored it and condoned it or the one who has been beating the drum its a issue. So its ignorant to think that biden isnt going right back to buisness as usual open boarder millions more in as soon as he wins and republicans arent going to address it...under screams of racism. Need Proof? Biden can aid texas barriers, not prevent them. He can work on a deal with mexico to hold the line, mass deport those who have abused amnesty ect ect ect. Needs zero evil republican votes for actions to take place. Yet does nothing. Numerous times this administration has said illigal immigration is a great thing. So im not sure why posters arent cheering on the republicans decision.

I agree. Same with covid and crime. They advocate it until it effects enough the polls start dipping then when damage is done they say its not a problem we all see/ blame republicans. and move on to the next outrage. Rinse and repeat. Didnt you know Illegal immigration is the republicans fault! Its obvious they dont care! The thread told me this.

You would think after illegals were displacing poor black peoples resources it would at least raise a eyebrow. When they showed up to local meeting expressing anger. Nope. When their OWN LEADERS said it was a problem. Nothing to see here. When the first women being assaulted happened. All just collateral damage for a overall goal of i want to pretend to be more virtuous then anyone who notices it as a problem. What grabs their attention. Potentially losing power. That and that alone is why any of them care now. As soon as the cycle is over they will go back to condemning anyone who brings up the topic as a racist white nationalist and could care less if biden goes right back to ignoring it all. I patiently wait for biden to applaud texas for stepping up and dealing with the problem he suddenly cares about and offer support for the efforts that the republicans are preventing.

come on, they admit they wont do it for political reasons? so let me get this straight. 3 straight years of there is no problem. If there is, its a good thing! The more the merrier! Destroying barricades texas is setting up and taking them to court to do so. Liberal sanctuaries screaming stop, we cant take anymore. Its all republicans fault with ZERO response from the federal level. Trillions of dollars in deals during those 3 plus years. But as soon as its election time rolls around now its "Republicans wont work with us" ..."won’t do it for political reasons" falls strictly on one side? Letting texas defend the boarder would at least pretend democrats are finally interested in the problem..they cant even do that. So explain how this deal isnt political to the dems to get polls up on the issue That has been ignored and wont go back to that once the ballots are counted? ITS ALL POLITICAL. Only one has already proven to advocate and ignore it when in power.

Ill ask a question. Maybe its been answered in the many pages of the thread. Why does it seem that all the surrounding muslim nations do not seem to support Palestine other then militarily? Why arent refugees easily able to seek refuge in their territory? Regardless of the land dispute i dont think Israel is against them recieving outside support to build up their schools and economy to become prosperous? Am i wrong? From my very nieve view it seems that Palestine is used as a proxy against the west. The only interest is support towards that end and not much more. There are some mega wealthy muslim nations that i think could easily, at the very least, improve the living standards of its citizens. Maybe Israel blocks money for schools and buisnesses or quality of life. If true then i certainly agree its a open air prison. If not then people need to ask themselves who really is condoning Palestinian suffering. Blaming solely the people that are their sworn enemies, and not the surrounding nations that are "alies" doesnt seem very logical. I never hear that argument made.

The gov making abortion legal restrict alot of males from living. Does that answer your question? Oh right effects both sexes from living. It def restricts men who wish to be fathers with no rights or say in the matter.

Its extra weird that the OP used a example of a leftist getting swatted and condemning it and From that Police are a bunch of lunitics who have never stopped a imminent threat with phone calls. Send social workers to all calls of imminent violence so we can then find a solution to the 1000's of real calls where victims and social workers are murdered. Its a very good guarilla war tactic to win.....the war? Qanon is the root cause of everything. And of coarse, lgbtq people are LITTERALLY being murdered so stop making threads. Quite the spectrum of rational thought. I want NC to start a thread saying water is wet just to see how Qanon is behind the physics of liquid. As for me, i would think enough politicians have been involved in the attempts, doxing, and death threats that there would be swift action for tougher laws and procedures to determine a real call from fake. I hope so because (pulls microphone close) swatting is a sick evil act by anyone regardless of political affiliation. Thank you.

Well liberalism history was always more of a absolute in its defense of speech. The saying " i may not agree with what you say but i defend your right to say it" was a widely known core belief. I grew up where "we must ban that rock and roll rap devil music" was used by the christian right while the ACLU defended kkk. Ect ect. The thoughts on censorship were completly reversed. You allow people to speak so you can easily identify them. You let ideas get challenged in the open so the truth can challenge it. Unfortunately in the cyber world those ideas can be walled off into echo chambers but that does not mean you turn to flat out censorship tactics. If its a crime..absolutley. othewise, make the words go away is extremely lazy and incredibly dangerous way to deal with a problem humans have been dealing with since we can communicate. Again, who do you trust to do it responsibly? A gov that constantly shifts its beliefs based on a 4 year election cycle. You want the liar trump helping pull those levers? While libs are cheering as bidens thumbs the scale with no regard to that threat to them. Some faceless guys with their own motives in a room at a tech platform get to do it all while manipulating terms of service that they intentionally make vague. while they enjoy power no other media gets. A bit off topic I am really perplexed by the lefts hyperbolics of threat to lgbt they see everywhere. As if they are in this role that makes them the only thing standing in the way of lgbt annihilation. Meanwhile trump was the first president to recognize their right to marriage. Lgbt have existed and flourished my entire lifetime. Entire section of my city dedicated to their way of life. Parades every year with no hate or violence for decades with right christian pandering presidents taking office. Tv shows, actors, musicians even before me getting mass acceptance and fans. So now the fight boils down to a derivative of pronouns and children? Its really silly that is now the "existential threat" and " litterally killing people". The large majority are liberatrian and simply dont want it pushed on them or their family. As for monuments and religion as a whole I agree. But you have to recognize the "new liberal" has taken on identity politics in all its forms as a religion. To the point they force workers, students ect to adhear to under penalty of punishment. A teacher should not require prayer, segregation, lifestyle or race choices. Personal beliefs or religion has no place being forced on anyone especially if they are in power over them. From talking to you i think we agree on this a bit but seems you are more concerned with the one "recognized" as a devout faith. I agree. I think alot of people look past each others points. Its why i required specifics. I certainly gave them. I understand where your coming from and they are concerns for me as well. I think im just more concerned about threat in front of me and you are more concerned about a encroaching one over the horizon. For many of your points ill def be on your side if they have the same result. Im no trump fan but i am against the "woke" for reasons i explained about core beliefs. I simply dont see or heard of the issues you speak of causing significant societal issues. I have no problem admitting if i did. Either way id rather spend time writing a novel trying to articulate points with someone to understand them then send a one sentence insult. So hopefully you dont consider our descussion a waste of time.

As usual billstime avoids all points made and delivers another im rubber your glue. Pluck out any info just to add a whatabout. Ill say that is extremely fed up for GOP or DEMs to pull. Can you? Of coarse not. I could post links of green party being removed by dems. What happened to tulsi and bernie by the DNC..on and on. You know continue the whatabouts. But there is only one authoritarian mentioned by you. Meanwhile. Biden truley believes deep in his soul in every vote mattering. He is LITTERALY defending the fabric of american democracy in this election. Until it doesnt suit him that is. Then he will implement jim crow 3.0 all over democrat voters 😅

Well im not even sure what you consider liberalism since you havent made much of a argument on the subject. Freedom of speech, not judging others by race,wanting negotiations for peace over war. (at least in the Ukraine). Being highly skeptical of gov...read any of my posts on covid while "liberals" devoted loyalty to the CDC and actions giving gov supreme power. On and on. Beliefs i held 20 years ago. Beliefs that did not flip with the democratic party. My first post in this thread was on how people who believe trump is dismantling deep state are pretty foolish. You push me in the devout trump role because its easier to dismiss and stereotype for your argument. Again, things you THINK will happen. Western society was built with christian values in mind. Of coarse there should be separation. That doesnt mean good qualities and values are not the basis of things you enjoy today. So with hundreds of years of history with christians as the majority, republicans ALWAYS using faith as a way to get elected and you not giving much of reasoning how its any more dangerous. Its really hard to see points that arent made. Novel or not. I like Xs community note method the most so far but i dont personally have a account. There are alot of people with specific skill sets able to detect bs. Their knowledge should not be buried in a comment but instead easily displayed. Id also like companies to bring back (thumbs down ect) ratings. Kind of a quick check of sorts. Somthing has to be done about bots because it gives the perception of majority in info and completely negates ratings. But mostly i think a straight forward terms of service needs to be clear and concise. The country has a first ammendment and we need to navigate how to keep it in tact. Not disregard it and hand the keys to people who can manipulate information how they see fit? Do you understand what that means. My question to you is who exactly do you trust to censor you? how will you ever know when they are irresponsible with the task if you get no info telling you.