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your reaching. gay wasn't even a word on any of the three things you mentioned in the paragraph you wrote this for. if you want to avoid my points about mental disorders and how we treat them in society, just do it. no need to completely change the topic and put words in my mouth. i dont think you would. for someone who earlier in the thread disregarded what i said about media being left wing biased there sure are alot of examples of leftists who demonize any and all of the info your asking for. maybe because its not "superior" to the ones i will restate benefit from surgeries and lifetime prescriptions. a "well side effects do happen" is enough to dismiss the people suffering from them? the good outweighs the bad isn't a solid argument when the bad is just as devastating to people who are already dealing with a affliction. so getting the type of information you want requires one to go into the deep recesses of right wing hatred and bigotry. at least that what is constantly said. here is a example. maybe you can find a few copies that havent been burned. be careful they cause "harm" but will provide some info on what your asking. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/16/irreversible-damage-anti-trans-booksellers-association/ another https://www.newsweek.com/best-selling-controversial-book-transgender-people-removed-amazon-3-years-after-publication-1571087 shall i go on? because the info is suppressed does not mean it does not exist. again similar to covid, defund the police, inflation effect, ending of fossil fuels. ect.ect. we can all wait until the negative effects and victims to pile up before the mood softens in the mainstream on platforming opposing viewpoints and medical professionals..remember Dr Robert Malone and how he was treated about his accurate warnings? eventually it will come out and the left will move to the next topic so we can be in a thread exactly like this one looking back in hindsight like all the rest. equating what gender you prefer having sex with and being a sports fan? really? again a reach. i simply told you my preference in people. if you enjoy being around people that are consumed with there sexual identity that's perfectly fine. its not for me and as i said it has nothing to do with what sex the person is attracted to. the fact you are also equating children being involved in the two examples as if its benign. that's a different story. ah the its all in your head. its not really happening. if thats so why all the hysteria on the "dont say straight bill" by desantis? seems as the knife cuts both ways with propaganda. the fact you think the left are the rational ones is the meat and potatoes of this thread. desantis bill is for K thru 4. you know what that bill is when all the media smoke is cleared right? the fact leftists are the ones saying women dont exist and yet, can't define them even at the highest positions in government. yeah this is a bit beyond "its not happening" id advise you look past your "non biased" outlets and go into a few "right wing hate sites" look at the many examples of the extremes on this issue they showcase. see if they look fake. just propaganda. i know you won't. but you should. otherwise how can you be so certain about what your even saying here. ill get you started on your dark path. go to youtube and put this name in. klara jeynes. learn how 4 year olds can be transgender when they barely have the concept of wiping their butts correctly. scroll around on the topic. there are plenty more. libs of tiktok showcases tons of people you dont think exist. using their OWN words in THIER videos. go to fox or daily wire and look for these innocent micky impersonation shows where children are puting money in drag womens bras and shaking there butts in kids faces. inviting the little ones on stage to collect money. wholesome family entertainment. then come back and let me know if its all so innocent. now i am no fool to think this behavior is the standard at these events. but they DO exist and noone is stopping it except for "homophobes". so still wondering why leftists are pushing drag shows with no regard to the fact most people do not want this regardless what goes on. if families just want to face these issues and have these talks alone. sure seems to be alot of public spectacles that draw attention to it to do it. no they want to prove how progressive they are publically and use there kids to prove it.

i dont need a medical expert to tell me someone who thinks they are something that goes against reality is experiencing a mental disorder. people who experience nothing but negative thoughts regardless of situation. people who see a obese person in the mirror despite their actual weight. its all the same situation and yet gender dysphoria is the only one in which people think society should confirm the psychosis as the part of the cure. every other situation i can think of it is harmful. this doesn't mean empathy and respect should not be given but also means those who wish to perpetuate it further and CELEBRATE a dysphoria are not helping the person suffering. yes i understand the suicide rates. i also read that "treatment" is not some great fix that reduces these rates. i dont think a person who is afflicted with this issue is "cured" and may only have a mountain of med debt to show for it sending them into deeper depression. or worse yet was put into this treatment and was only going through a phase that is now irreversable. I'm not saying this should not be a option but should be a LAST option. should be made when the person has a fully formed brain and NEVER be done outside the knowledge of those that know them best... taking away parental rights is insanity in EVERY situation where neglect or abuse was not in the history. i outlined alot of my thoughts above. i do not hate or love gay people. they are individuals who i base merit on like anyone i meet. i will say i do think it is odd when someone base their entire identity on their sexuality. where they MUST announce to the world who they prefer and yes this also goes for the straight "alpha" male types that wear shirts describing their affinity for boobs or constantly talk about how many women they get in bed ect ect. both are cringe. nobody really cares for the most part. we agree on kids being accepted and loved not sure that was ever in contention. its a problem the left created as now they want kids to be "exposed" to certain things and make choices on issues that many are to young to understand suddenly. i gave a good example with the right wing. its not a coincidence and its actually attracting alot of hatred unnecessarily simply due to the fact its a middle finger towards anyone who otherwise does not think about drag/trans/ or anything in the gay community. it almost as if leftists want the hatred as they continue on with something the .majority of americans do not want their kids exposed to just so they can have a victim group to defend. just because YOU see nothing wrong with it. far to often leftist think they know best for everyone else. leave kids out of the culture war crap period.

1. i agree this issue is being used as a lightning rod. its probably a good idea to not promote things like drag book reading during a time when alot is surrounding it. but that delicious virtue light is just so warming libs cant help themselves. 2. i have no doubt a ton of medical studies will be all for "helping kids transition". u appreciate you providing info for your argument but you have to know. its going to be real hard to filter this info because the same corporations who produce it are the ones who stand to make billions off the lifetime prescriptions and costly surguries. I'd think after the lies told about vax studies one would be very leary of this situation. i have a science degree and am embarrassed by what has been done to destroy its lagitimacy but its well earned. i will read your studies and correct any info i post if i see merit. 3 since we are taking a step back then I'd still like you to answer my question. is trans a mental disorder? i think its apparent. if it is then why in any capacity are leftists promoting it, especially to impressionable children. as i stated there are tons of mental disorders and very rarely do we demand everyone accept it and normalize it. your anorexic? well that's normal. everyone please tell this person they are a fat disgusting human so they feel comfortable about their binge purge cycles. as you roll your eyes please explain the difference as they both end up being very damaging if not recognized as a disorder and treated as such. i think you want to be logical but you automatically dismiss right wing talking points which is why you give off the impression trans therapy and meds do not come with MAJOR issues that are ireversable. pubity blockers can leave people sterile. horror stories of surgeries exist. how many tomboys did you know growing up. how many phases did you go in and out of. EVERYONE should be against children being introduced to this. drag book reads are not innocent. if the right was pushing bible studies in public schools and it just so happened men caring crosses with thorn crowns showed up at libraries for story time. i bet you wouldn't defend that as just a character like daffy duck. its not genuine.

so in a time when leftists are suggesting that children should be allowed to take take puberty blockers and authorize life altering surgeries, some even suggesting this can be done without parental consent. you think presenting them with men that dress as women as "fun" is in no way connected. come on now🙄 no i dont think they believe they are mickey mouse but we also dont live in a society where a large group of people are saying its ok to be mickey and if you choose...we have that surgical procedure and drugs available to make that happen.

so drag is a man dressing acting as a woman and you have no clue if the connection to trans?

do you think trans people have a mental disorder? im not saying its their fault or that their disorder effects me negatively but presenting that to children and basically celebrating it in society like we are currently doing is pretty dark. this is beyond the examples of drag dancers actually doing sexually explicit acts. if you haven't seen the videoes of drag people shaking their a$$ in front of children your just in the dark..doesnt mean it has not happened or is currently happening. so if being trans is a disorder what other mental health issues would you like to present and normalize to children. anorexia? phobias? why is this one so important to make children see and "understand". as for your peter pan example. its a good question. i think the answer is a woman most likely can portray the character accurately in real life. she does not truley believe she is peter pan. a production show may not have a male actor who can hit high notes and looks like a young child...which is what peter pan is. a for mickey and every other character you mention. those are all mythical characters.

no reason for that man. lets not devolve threads to this as a response.

id really love to know where you come to this conclusion being that we are in a covid hindsight thread and literally the only network who gave any pushback on the insanity and lies was the evil fox news. then we can look at blm and who was calling it a grift and disaster for the very people it was said to be fighting for. one station. "dont say gay" every outlet seemed to go along with that tag when it was just as easily could be called "dont say straight" very unbiased. on and on we go. showing ID is "voter restriction" not "voter security" oh by the way biggest turnout in georgia happened after..did you fall for that one. you dont even see it. how its constantly framed. how its pushed..but yeah you got all the "facts" over there on the left.

seems as the is nfl ecosystem is now set. buffalo stalk panthers at the waterhole. giants grab buffalos when they are not under the herds protection. Hakuna Matata. i think the guy had immense talent and a great redzone threat. glad he's finally making a roster to show it off. sad we couldn't find room on ours.

comeback? no. i wasnt ripped off by either and i ALSO never promoted either. the same people who are concerned about trump university were active participants in endorsing blm. how bout yourself did you promote the grift? how about the lockdowns saving lives that artificially funneled money to the rich? how many far bigger grifts on your end are you suckered into promoting? lets see if you can admit that. yeah didn't think so.

nice for who. you seen ticket prices lately?

well im not too fond of cold weather. im sure you guys wouldnt mind a month or two down there to take a break from the hot humidity. also Niagara falls. rock with water. seen it way to much to care.

i do. live in ny where they only care about people who make under a certain amount. they seem to eat much better as the snap allotment has gone up and up. the rest of us who havent seen wages go up not only have to pay more in taxes for this but also are dealing with the same inflation. so i guess the moral of the story is everyone on the lower middle income bracket should give up and get taken care of and there is plenty to go around and alot less stress about bills. that is until the next tier up wears down and gives up from watching people who do nothing live more comfortable then them. only thing stopping this is the integrity of people who don't want handouts and are willing to work hard and grind out a living. those are the blue state policies your referring to.

sooo the measure of a economy is now whether it can withstand years of authoritarian lockdown and then inept recovery policies by a bunch of liars, idiots and cowards. got cha. talking to my neighbor last night. he tells me he is deciding to skip meals so his kids can have a nice xmas this year. ill let him know there are actual people that think its trumps fault. if only trump created a economy that could sustain "it" he could eat 3 times a day.

when it comes to states like ours cal and ny where there is solid one party rule its looking more and more like problems that involve empathy are truley ever going to be solved. there's to much money to be made. gov pass bills to allocate taxes. numerous foundations are born. people always willing to donate to support those in need and very little oversight or alternatives by anyone. for as much money that gets generated i would think people would demand actual results but seem content, because it warms the heart, to see alot of the "results" are only services. what it amounts to is simply making those facing the problem more comfortable and reinforcing them staying in a perpetual state of need. more need more money. people are numb to the fact actually fixing problems like these are not all about comfort and care. locking people up in rehabs, monitoring them constantly so they stay committed in the workforce or take meds is going to be required but how many will choose it if living that way is made easier. as long as they are never forced to make that decision then i see it only getting worse.

im sure at this very moment the far left is conceiving some new insanity and making anyone not up to date new far right extremists. got to purge somthing.

i think the saddest part is that the media will put "right wing extremist" q anon or any other tag to the right in the headline and most people will glance and know the "whole" story. so the lie just multiplies to the unaware who cant be bothered to read a tad bit deeper. its understandable as life is tough and glancing is all some can do to get info in a busy life. what i will never understand are the exact same types of people will have STRONG opinions and swear they know all the facts. even become activists over a story and take time out of their day to type on message boards, hit the streets or worse violence. yet never put a 1/10th of that energy to seek even a few facts. its how we get covid hyteria for YEARS where internment camps are actually suggested. a world of info in everyone's pocket and this is what we are as a society. this happens repeatedly to the same people. at some point a portion of humanity lost the feeling of humiliation. i have respect for those i argued with over mandates and masks on here and i dont see anymore. if you cant admit you were wrong then at least they showed they felt shame. as for others. still preaching to others. not sure how you can stay engaged on this board the way you do b-man.

its a sad state of affairs when people care less about a crime then what the perpetrators political affiliation is. but it is truley amazing in a country of 330 MILLION how many times the crime ends up being by someone who is not adherent to the ideology the media and federal gov repeatedly swear are the biggest threat/terrorist group in the country. whipping the left cult into a frenzy to cconstantly accuse the wrong people...again. and then reverting to whatabouts, changing the subject when they end up looking like absolute fools...again and again and again. i would think just by sheer magnitude of the population/ the poor mental health resources and statistics they could at least see a few relavent ones routinley to correlate the threat level they are so sure about. and yet the number is so low that they have no choice but manufacture the enemy from thin air or cling on to past examples forever. all a poor attempt to desperatly cobble together a shred of vindication of why they think people who do not agree politically are evil. it seems it will never end in the realization they just might be wrong.

you are!...ruber and i am glue? have a good night on the bills message board buddy. someone else can play. i got work in the morning.

um what? what about that thread? the he// are you trying to communicate to through your goofy memes and odd references this time? put the pictures away and use your big boy voice.

can you do us a favor billstime and get a message to your lincoln project buddies to perform their schtick elsewhere. people have to use that bridge to get to work. 😂

it will be funny if they run trump again. im not sure why republicans are interested in defending the dumb S#/÷ he twits or truths. watching leftists hang on and get appalled by his every word and rep constantly having to defend it hasnt seemed to get exhausting to either after all this time. trump if your reading this and i know you are. you love attention and billstime has no other purpose then to shower you with it. please back a candidate and step aside. if he wins i promise you can have that sweet glory. the country severely needs to focus on real issues after biden is finished destroying it. there isnt time for all this nonsense at this point.

well this is the essence of the discussion. im seeing more leftists that simply refuse to acknowledge facts over people on the right on here. your prescribing any doubts or descussions from the right as "conspiracies" from people being intentionally ignorant. im saying somthing like vax prevents hospitalization is not as clear unquestionable fact as you would like. i scanned the study and still have questions. is that ok? what measure are we taking to decide what a hospitalization is? because as i understand it children have had .000* whatever mortality rate BEFORE the vax was even recommended for them. are we deciding parents who are spooked or require any sort of therapeutic as "needing hospitalization". are we trading the advantages( i believe are also well documented) of gaining a robust natural immunity that will be superior in the long run as opposed to a synthetic one that A) may only help with initial symptoms when infected early on but as it becomes a yearly virus will be void? B) subjects children to unknown long term side effects which coincidently STILL offers pharma complete immunity for any potentially deadly side effects C) also coincidentally give the manufacturers a recurring indefinite revanu stream despite A and B. and D) trusts that the scientific community is giving accurate information THIS TIME? seeing as so many lies have been pushed id say taking studies with a grain of salt should be more normal and believing them at face value would be a conspiracy theory. nothing besides D) is irrational. do you think? yet it all falls under your umbrella of these (fools) are questioning the FACT that vaxes prevent hospitalization. the fact they have been caught repeatedly lying and yet other (fools) take their word at face value could be argued the opposite way...which is. what i did. but if that study is legit and it is in fact saving children then i can easily say i was wrong and need to dig in deeper to find the answers. a rare statement made by either side. but just know i did concede a very long time ago during a covid mandate descussion with another poster where i said the only legitimate reason to force a vax wouuld be if it prevented spread. i was assured and given studies that this person who was close to the med field read the literature and it was true. it didnt age well

im talking about my examples of leftist conspiracies. i gave you rationale in my original reply why your (facts that should not be questioned ) are viewed with scepticism, or as you say conspiracy theories that doubt them. vax stops hospitalization..not in kids! ect. ect. reread if neccessary.

your not obligated. i do not expect much from the left on here which is why i rarely post. you brought up a few right wing stereo typical conspiracies you see on this board. obama is behind everything. clinton is behind everything. not sure what threads this is so prevalent in. i simply saw it and decided to give some more grounded, recent, conspiracies that leftists believe. ones that have destroyed the country. not examples a person mumbles in the street that have had little effect on this strange "outside" i hear so much about. you could give any response you want but a "your crazy and need to get out more" is the laziest of them all. who knows maybe a couple more "yeah we were wrong on that one" from a few on that side might be the beginning of turning this around. or, you can keep thinking its nothing but straw men. either way 🤷‍♂️