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Stats aside, Kaepernick and Taylor really are quite different. Another poster in another thread told me I must love Kaep just because I love Taylor and I thought that comment was pretty ridiculous. First of all, they're completely different even as runners. Kaep isn't escaping pressure by eluding it. He's just muscling out of it. He's also not breaking tackles he's just outrunning guys or bulling them over. He's much more similar to Cam Newton as a runner than he is to Taylor or Russel Wilson, who are very different in that sense. Secondly, Kaep throws bullets, and almost exclusively bullets. He just doesn't really know how to put much touch on the ball to throw really catchable balls. He just rifles it in there. Thirdly, and probably connected with the last one, Taylor's just a much more accurate passer than Kaep. I also think Taylor does a better job actually staying in the pocket than Kaep does and even when he escapes pressure, he's still always looking downfield to pass. That's not what Kaep does. So, no, I don't think Kaep and Taylor are all that comparable other than the fact that they're black, running QBs.

Fahey may write a narrative of his thoughts later, but his catalogue just posts the RAW numbers, as well. You can look at those numbers without actually reading anything he says about any of the QBs. So, he does exactly what that website does and then also gives an anecdotal breakdown of and discussion of those QBs later. But there's really no difference in terms of how they come to the numbers. The numbers are just different.

Every article? How many articles do you think he's written? Here is the very last paragraph of one of those many (​the answer to the previous question is 2, btw) articles that supposedly exist about Taylor: Expecting Taylor to develop much past who he is right now is unrealistic. He may have only started for one year, but he will be 27 years old before the start of this season. Taylor was forced to waste the early stages of his career as a backup because of his style of play. The narrative that he took major strides forward is tough to swallow because he was showing off the traits that are the foundation of his skill set right now back during his first preseason in the league. What should be comforting to Bills fans is that he doesn't need to develop any further to be a quality starting quarterback. He can be an above-average starter so long as his athleticism remains close to where it was in 2015. Did that sound like something overly positive? Is that last line in any way really inaccurate, even for the biggest Taylor detractors? And what the hell do you mean the website doesn't analyze it just charts and how is that any different from what Fahey does? Fahey analyzes and charts every single QB the exact same way that website does. If you mean there's no subjectivity to that website, you're just plain wrong. You need to judge whether a ball is catchable or uncatchable. The website does exactly the same thing Fahey does and it has different results, which I think is interesting. I'm sure neither is 100% accurate and the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, as it so typically does, like with this Tyrod Taylor debate.

Thanks for this

So this is the general narrative about Fahey. I'm genuinely curious as to why? You don't agree with him, so discredit him? Have you watched every single snap of every single QB from 2016 and years prior? He has. I think he's built up enough credibility at this point that if this were just a sham, he'd be an incredible con artist who should be working in Vegas instead. I think he's written one article about Taylor in the two years he's played for Buffalo, and if you actually read what he says, he talks about shortcomings often. That website you linked I can just as easily dismiss based off of the fact that it says Buffalo receivers only dropped 11 passes. I watched all the games. I watched passes multiple times. I definitely saw more than 11 drops. Funny, I called the discrepancy interesting, you dismiss One of them completely. Wildly interesting difference in mentality there

Taylor's game or play won't change, you're right. But perception of his game is almost certain to change pretty widely. Wins and Losses do that for QBs. You see it all the time here. There are probably countless posts in this very thread where random posters are saying things like "I don't care about his stats, all I care about are Ws and Ls." Just think about everyone's counter to anyone who points to the Dolphins game last year as a positive discussion point: "But we still lost. He still couldn't do it." Ws and Ls are team stats, but they're attributed (probably quite unfairly) mostly to QBs. So, I think you're absolutely right. I actually think it's a pretty significant point. Personally, I don't think and never really thought Taylor was going to drastically change as a QB. I still don't think that. I think he'll be pretty careful with the football. I think there are always going to be WRs on the field he'll miss that he should have thrown to. I think there are always going to be times he should have stayed in the pocket rather than escaped the pocket and scrambled. But I think he'll always make enough positive plays with his legs to counterbalance some of those negatives. I think he'll probably use the middle of the football field this year mainly because of offensive design, but he's not going to suddenly become Tom Brady throwing over the middle. Taylor is largely what he is I think. I think he could do what he does well a little more consistently and do what he doesn't do well a little less. But he's not really going to be a different QB. But if this team wins a lot with him playing roughly like he did the last 2 years (2015 moreso than 2016) and he's throwing the ball a few more times per game than he did the last 2 years (which I expect), then I think Taylor will be seen in a whole new light, even though the likely actual reason this team would have improved so much will be because the D improved a lot. The D is going to be the key, just like it so often is. But the QB will get too much credit, just like they so often do.

Did he ever say Taylor is a great QB? Something seriously gets lost in translation for some people. Somehow saying Taylor is "good" or even "pretty good" somehow equates to saying he's "Elite" and it causes idiotic posters to create a stupid cult name in order to make anyone who thinks Taylor's a competent NFL QB look like he actually thinks he's Elite. So dumb.

Link? Who compiled these stats? Proving that things like this are subjective, Cian Fahey says Taylor has the 9th highest accuracy % in 2016. And he also defines accuracy as "catchable." That doesn't mean the stats you've provided are wrong or mine are right. You'd have to watch every single pass like those guys did to come to any conclusion on which one is more accurate. Still, that's interesting.

Why, Foxx? Why?

Whoop Whoop!!! We did it!!!

Oh, so you took more effort to type out an ellipses rather than the less words it takes to type out the number "5"? Interesting. I wonder why you chose to do that Can what stop? Are you implying someone is saying he's Elite? Is that what Tier 2 is? I never saw a definition for them. That's why I asked.

Except you're leaving out the fact that there's a Tier 5. And there were only 5 QBs in tier 1. Were you just guessing with this statement? In other words, from the sounds of it, Tier 3 is an average NFL QB, or a "middle of the road" QB. If anyone has Insider it'd be nice to read the description of each tier. One more page to go!!!!

That's not a Hot Take and it's really not something I'm remotely backtracking on. I said, as it was, that if Taylor maintained his game by game production for an entire career that those would be the numbers of a QB worthy of the HOF. I said, as it was, that 2015 was actually quite an exceptional year for a 1st year starting QB production was in terms, especially, of efficiency. And I said (and I love that this part always gets left out) that Taylor was likely going to drop in terms of that production and efficiency in his 2nd year, but that if he could somehow maintain it or even improve, we would have our answer at QB. He didn't. And it doesn't look like we do. Though he has one more year to pull off an exceptional year trying to prove that notion incorrect.

Are you guys really taking a victory lap right now over a single anonymous quote from a guy who, despite saying almost nothing positive, still puts him in tier 3? On a side note, what is tier 3?

What's that? Agreed Peterman is already better???? More hot takes from OS!!!

Yes. If offered that right now, of course you take it. Not happening, though.

Perfect example of someone adamantly rooting against Taylor right here.

Agreed. It's the sign of script writers working off source material (Martin's books) vs generating it on their own with very little direction from the creator. But why?! Why are they rushing? Are they actually 3 episodes short or was this amount the plan? GOT is probably HBO's biggest money maker... why not put out 3 more episodes?

Yes. Upsetting. Yup. What the hell is going on?!

I honestly don't know. I watch these things on demand. I have HBO go. I actually just watched the episode finally today and didn't hear a thing about it beforehand. I just exercise restraint when it comes to clicking and he thinks having to do with GOT. Unlike me responding to the threads having to do with Taylor I haven't really decided how I feel about the direction of GOT this season. Feels like a really mainstream approach. Everything feels too predictable. And I'll reserve judgment when the season ends, but I wonder if it's because of the fact that the script writers and not George RR Martin are now essentially in control of the story. We'll see. Still entertaining. Fun exercise in restraint. Who has it? Let's hope so...

But I'll be rooting hard for him to play well enough so that it doesn't happen. I think now that it's so close and almost so obviously going to happen, a large number of posters particularly in this thread are going to be rooting very hard against Taylor succeeding. Taylor has been set up in a situation that's interesting because she has been set up to fail while also being set up to prove he's the answer. Anyone with ESPN insider? General curiosity about what they say more than anything

Oh gawd... seriously?! Fig... c'mon man. If we trade McCoy and Taylor (which I absolutely think is possible), it's pretty obvious we're going nowhere and we're setting the team up for the best possible draft pick in 2018. AKA: Tanking

At least Taylor puts the onus on him... http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/sports/bills-receivers-challenged-adapt-boldin-retires-article-1.3433426 "No excuses ever want to be made on my end. You've got to deal with whatever's given to you," Taylor said. "Yes, we lost Sammy. Yes, we lost Anquan. But there's guys that are very good players, very talented players. We just have to do whatever it takes to get on the same page." almost there

Make or break season, yes. But it's looking more and more like the excuses will be there. That doesn't mean there will be any excuses whatsoever that warrant us not doing everything we can to trade up (if necessary) to draft a QB. Taylor needs to be better than 2016 and probably 2015 to make OBD even second-guess doing that. Which is perfectly fine.

I really think our D is gonna be pretty good. But our O will likely be bad. As another poster in another thread said: 2014 all over again. This is just getting sad. Never? Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson say hello.