transplantbillsfan

Mahomes is not the best player in the league this year. He's not the best QB in the league. He's not the best QB in his conference. I think I would accept arguments that QBs like Purdy and maybe Hurts and Tua are as good as Allen this year. Not Mahomes. NFL Not For Long Mahomes is a 1st ballot HOFer. But he's no longer the best QB in the NFL. Probably just a down year, but we'll see. Yeah helps when you have HOF talent all around you.

No crap dude.... did you think any of us were looking at this through the lens of Buffalo losing 2 or more games???? Buffalo needs to win out or, at worst, lose 1. All of us get that. Any of our playoff dialogue assumes that. I'm not being a homer because I'm literally looking at best results for Buffalo winning out OR losing 1. And I will take a now 6-6 Jake Browning led Cincy win that generates an 8-4 CJ Beathard led Jags team with 5 games remaining. Sheesh. It's still Football season, Buffalo has one of the best QBs in the NFL, and they're 1 1/2 games out of a playoff spot with 3 teams in front of them now without their Franchise QB. I have an idea... try to have fun.

It brings one team DOWN into the race is what it does while simultaneously knocking out their Franchise QB. There isn't a single team with a losing record remaining on the Bengals schedule. Stop being such a freaking Eeyore. It's tiresome. Anything can always happen, but are you putting money on Jake Browning going 4-1? Now suddenly next week's Jags vs Browns game almost doesn't matter to me as far as results go if Lawrence is out for the season.

Geez are people complaining about the results of that game? I really, really hate being happy about injuries, but tonight was the 2nd best result the Bills could have hoped for. Lawrence's injury is another game changer. How many of those are we having this year? How much should we all truly appreciate our own QB? I wish they would have tied after the Lawrence injury, but those are uncommon. Guys, look at the Bengals schedule. Jake Browning at QB? They're losing at least 2 out of the remaining 5. Now the Jags come into play. Suddenly it's very possible they lose 3 maybe even 4 of their remaining 5. Hate injuries, but they happen...

It's actually courtesy of Greg Thompsett. Everyone in this thread go listen to the Greg Thompsett sports show from last week and you won't feel so bad. One thng he reveals is that a huge reason our CAP next year is so high is that we have 44 players under contract, which is way more than most of the NFL.

First of all, it's really, really stupid to not count rushing TDs. Your logic would make sense on plays like the tush push or maybe even designed QB runs. But several of Allen's rushing TDs are on designed passing plays. Those aren't TDs you can argue in any way are being siphoned away from RBs. As for everything else, Allen still has the 2nd most passing TDs in the NFL (tied with Tua) and is blowing everyone else out of the water as far as total TDs go.

Yep... and KC lost today, too. I know some fans were weirdly rooting for KC, but this makes everything even more alive.

I'd just like to point out that ALMOST everything went our way today as far as the Wildcard contenders go. Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Denver all lost. Indy came back to win, unfortunately. But I think they also demonstrated they can lose a game to an "inferior" opponent fairly easily.

No "but" for the Texans winning. They played the Broncos. Texans W was a better outcome. Too bad the Colts couldn't hang on. That was the only thing that didn't go our way as far as the WC race today.

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Wait... so you have watched them all season then? Then I assume you saw their tight victories over the Raiders and Patriots that came down to the very end of those games, correct? Would you say the Raiders and Patriots are worse than the Dolphins?

I agree divisional games are different as well and could also potentially see Miami losing to the Jets. I'm not predicting which game they lose, I'm just saying I don't think they win 3 straight.

Well... they do have injuries. Phillips is one who's out for sure as far as I know. He's not the only one. Washington took Philly to the wire twice already.

I don't know. They haven't had a 3 game winning streak since they surprised everyone to start the season. They barely beat the Raiders and Patriots. Why in the heck are people assuming they're automatic?

I don't think they win all 3 of those games.

Don't the Dolphins play 3 other games? It's annoying the way people just write in wins for teams... especially this year. Is it really going to shock anyone if the Dolphins lo Washington, Tennessee, or the NYJ? Paper tigers.

Yet, it's all about his turnovers

Nicely done. Could you do that also for Burrow and Lamar? I think that would cover the top 5 QBs in the NFL over the last few years.

This feels different than the 2021 team that was 7-6 and "in the hunt" after the Bucs loss?

Ummm... did you actually read the post and look at the chart? He does not have the highest ratio of the players on that chart.

I think you and @Alphadawg7 are looking at this in the wrong way. There should be one way to examine turnovers alone: It's about turnovers to touches. Total turnovers DIVIDED by the TOTAL number of touches which is simply pass attempts + sacks + rushing attempts gives you a true turnover percentage. That's how you determine whether Josh is really turnover prone compared to other QBs. Josh, Lamar and Burrow I know are all relatively close to each other. Josh is about 2.5% while Burrow and Lamar are about 2.1%. I didn't put in any work for anyone else, but since you 2 are going back and forth with this, you might want to. The thing is, to really figure out the cost/benefit to all this, you also basically need to do the same formula for total Touchdowns. Total touchdowns DIVIDED by the TOTAL number of touches which is simply pass attempts + sacks + rushing attempts gives you a true turnover percentage. That would be their actual TD %. Josh in this category is 5.6% while BOTH Burrow and Lamar sit at 4.8% So at least as far as these 2 other Elite QBs go, Josh's TD % is pretty notably higher than his TO % is worse than Burrow & Lamar, but the conversation is always about Josh being a turnover machine.

But people have never talked about Goff, Stafford, Carr, Ryan, Prescott, Cousins, Lamar or Burrow as turnover machines. All those QBs have about the same statistical tendency to turn the ball over as Josh with Stafford, Ryan, Goff and Carr being pretty significantly worse and Prescott, Cousins, Lamar and Burrow almost negligibly better.

I think it's interesting Joe came to that conclusion. I listen to Locked on Bills and heard that, too. Greg Cosell was on OBL today and he said the opposite. It's towards the end of the video, but what he says is (to paraphrase) is that in all his years of speaking with NFL coaches that players are taught that on a Zero Blitz, that leaves the middle of the field open and that's where the WRs should go to help their QB. I thought that was a great explanation and it makes perfect sense. If true (seems to be to me), the onus is on Gabe.

Figure it'd be a fun thread for Sunday and Monday to see how all these teams have done.

I agree with you and this wouldn't shock me.