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A couple more good plays against the run... hmmmmm

Here's a play where Von wins his rep, reads the RB and forces him inside but doesn't get the tackle.

See... I don't just say "ah you just don't like Von..." because I humored you and posted the play itself and explained it all the way through. If you see it very differently, then you see it incorrectly. If you want to just keep seeing it incorrectly, then keep arguing. Problem is that as far as that play is concerned, you're wrong. And yet you call your perception--the wrong one, by the way... objectively the wrong one--"the reality." It's just silly. I don't need anyone to agree with me as far as that play is concerned because you can't agree or disagree with a fact... and the fact is that Von clearly was most responsible for that sack and had a very good rep to earn it. You can disagree with that all you want... but disagreeing with a fact makes you look dumb.

Dude... I legitimately thought you were bigger than this. You're wrong. You can say you want to see more out of Von and that would be perfectly reasonable. You could even say you wanted to see more out of him in the game I guess, but the previous graphic with his high pass rush win rate despite the low snap volume would largely negate that. The problem is your position is that one rep that was very clearly an excellent play on Von's part was pure luck due to 2 other players who forced Kyler to move up in the pocket... even though one of the players you claim forced him to move up was 5 yards in front of him in the exact direction he moved. Are you trying to say Ed Oliver is so fat he has his own gravitational pull and sucked Murray into it? Or maybe he used a jedi mind trick to pull the miniscule QB towards him? You're bizarrely clinging to a position on that rep that absolutely everyone agrees is wrong. But go ahead and use the disagree reaction button for the 100th time.

Now you've gone from being overly sensitive to being desperate. Sad And now a bit of old man anger mixed in

I would assume that @GunnerBill will change his tune shortly since he's hard at work OBJECTIVELY watching the All-22 and will surely see this By the way Gunner... this right here was your original portrayal of what happened on the play. You've clearly backtracked in this thread alone while not admitting it because there's no other way to interpret this post than that you're saying Von lucked into a sack while Groot and Ed did all the work. You're being ridiculous.

Not only was Von the reason the sack happened. He was also the only player on that side of the ball to contain Kyler after Oliver stunts inside. Without Von doing what he did, the entire right side of the field is open for Murray to run or pass. And Von didn't just benefit from the QB tripping... he caused it. Do you seriously not see that? It's plain as day. You seem overly sensitive about this issue and that sensitivity is clearly blinding you.

Okay Gunner... look at this play again How on Earth are you looking at this as Kyler being forced up because of Groot and Ed and not Von? Kyler is clearly seeing the pressure from Von who's overpowering the Tackle and pushing him directly towards him. THAT'S the primary reason Murray moves up in the pocket and Miller's force of the Tackle into the pocket is what causes the QB to trip. I don't even understand why you bring up Oliver as a factor when he's 5 yards away from Murray as he hits his back foot and never even really comes close to the QB. Groot may have won his rep and we can all acknowledge that 11 guys play on both sides of the football and a successful play is usually a testament to more than just one player, but it's quite obvious it's Von's pressure that causes Kyler to step up in the pocket and Miller's force on the Tackle that causes the Tackle to trip. How old are you Gunner? Maybe it's that age that you need glasses.

Okay... you might not trust them... doesn't change you being wrong. Even your initial assessment of the sack was wrong. And it's so obviously wrong when you actually watch the clip.

The Cover_1 crew also gave Von credit for that sack on their film room episode yesterday. They also noted pressure he put on Kyler on the final 4th down play. You're wrong. And that's okay. It happens.

Wow... this is kinda small of you

Uhhhh... no. Was that a dream you had? Here's the rep Joe Marino did his All-22 review today... he said this might have been his favorite game from Von Miller as a Bill. Boy... You're batting 1000

Groot gets all the attention and deservedly so, but he already basically exceeded what he did for the entire season last year in one game. When Von was on the field, you noticed him. 1 sack and 1 TFL as his impact plays aside, he was consistently a menace in the backfield. And anyone who doesn't want to give him credit for that sack should go watch the play again because he bull rushed the Tackle right into Murray, which caused it. I was pretty confused at the amount of people saying things like "he has something like a 5% chance to do anything this season." Who knows what his sack production is for the rest of the season, but barring injury, he clearly looks like he'll be a net positive for our DL. Hope the Von doubters find that Crow tasty

Link?

Inactives?

I'm literally going to bed right now knowing so many Bills fans are at this moment getting up and getting ready to pre game. Go Bills!!!

how much?

how much?

Let's be honest... this game was fine for us. I know Worthy scored twice... but was it any indication of anything spectacular? Did he do anything else? Ravens losing is likely best for Buffalo. KC is running away with the West

I hope so. I just drafted him as a starting WR in fantasy. Also got Josh Allen and Dalton Kincaid

You guys are right. Throw Roman Harper out and use the 5 other guys. Probably better to leave him out and just keep the lesser known guys McDermott clearly had a hand in. 7 if you include Hyde & Poyer.

He had 4 interceptions, a forced fumble, 10 passes defensed and a TD. You could make the argument another year was better for him, but which year? I would say maybe his 2nd year... but he didn't make the Pro Bowl that year. I guess I don't look at a safety getting over 100 tackles as a positive thing, though... so if tackles are the measurement, no it was not one of his better years

Didn't say McDermott made him... but in his age 32 season Harper had the most interceptions of his career in his 1st year in Carolina. 2nd most passes defensed... one shy of his previous best.