Logic
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I am in love with Kay Adams. That is all.
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Just now, Chuck Wagon said:
They won 5 consecutive titles. He was the starting QB on the last 2.
True. But notwithstanding the fact that they were a good team before Wentz arrived, pointing out that he won two national championships doesn't exactly diminish my point that Wentz did better against inferior competition than Allen did. I get it: Allen's surrounding cast stunk. But again, so did his competition, and it doesn't seem to me like he did enough to elevate his team or to show that he's anything more than a list of physical traits that don't necessarily add up to a starting caliber NFL quarterback. -
7 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:
And Wentz was playing on a multiple time national champion.
But was he just "playing on" a multiple time national champion, or was he largely responsible FOR the multiple national championships they won during his tenure?
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1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:
If Allen played at Oklahoma, with their talent and coaching, I would have to believe the stats would say something VERY different than at Wyoming. If completion % is really hanging people up, circumstances come into play.
I mean, fair enough..but while Allen was surrounded by inferior skill position players, he was also playing AGAINST inferior skill position players.
If a guy comes out of a lesser conference, I want to see that he DOMINATED that conference. Wentz dominated in college. Allen, on the other hand, threw only 16 TDs this season. Not encouraging, given that he was going against all those vaunted Mountain West defenses ever week! -
3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Logic would dictate that we know who the rookie QB is before answering.
Fair enough.
I would also argue that logic dictates that we have over 30 torturously long days to go until the draft and are running out of good topics and need to do SOMETHING to pass the time!
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34 responses so far, and not a single Peterman vote.
Did this guy poop on a box of Flutie Flakes or what?!
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One way or the other, I expect the Bills to draft a rookie QB in the draft next month.
Furthermore, it's pretty clear that there will be an open QB competition in training camp to decide who starts. It's easy to just say "I want whoever wins the competition to be the starter!". Well...duh! I also realize that not knowing who the rookie QB will be will perhaps impact the answers to this. Maybe it won't.
What I'm asking is who would YOU PERSONALLY like to see as the starter at QB for the Bills on opening day? Do you want to see McCarron get his shot? Maybe you think Peterman got a bad rap last year and deserves another go of it in a new offense? Perhaps you think rookie QBs should start from day one and take their lumps? Perhaps you're dead set on a rookie sitting on the bench in year one? So the question is...
Who would you like to see under center on opening day in 2018 and why? -
5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
He’s going to be pretty good imo, for a team with the time and patience to allow him to develop.
I respectfully disagree, and will be more than ready to eat crow if I'm wrong.
I'll admit to being predisposed to anti-Allen bias by being a Bills fan, and thus being terrified of big-armed, inaccurate QBs who "check all of the physical boxes" but can't actually play QB well. Nevertheless...as pointed out by The Ringer, in all major measurable quarterback performance metrics, Josh Allen ranks DEAD LAST among draftable quarterbacks this year. Dead last.
To choose him over guys like Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold -- who are superior in every statistical category despite playing against vastly superior competition -- simply based on the idea that Allen has a cannon arm and big upside, would be foolhardy and arrogant. I expect it to happen, though, because NFL GMs ARE often foolhardy and arrogant, and they fall into this trap over and over again.
Again, I recognize that scouting (especially at the QB position) and projecting players into the NFL is a very complex business, and I'll admit if I'm way off on this one. But I don't think I am. Allen terrifies me.-
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I appreciate you posting this article, HOWEVER...
I cannot for the life of me figure out why any team would share this information, even with it being anonymous. I ESPECIALLY can't figure out why, during the most secretive offseason moment of a very secretive sport, said team would choose to share such sensitive information with such a no-name, rinky-dink outfit. Doesn't make a lick of sense.-
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As pointed out on Twitter this morning, the Browns:
- Gave up a high 3rd round pick for a very capable bridge QB and immediately named him starter
- Also signed Drew Stanton (Starter: Tyrod, Backup: Stanton, 3rd/development: Rookie)
- Have a GM who was involved in the drafting and redshirting of Mahomes and Rodgers
- Have an OC (Todd Haley) who most recently had success with a big-armed, strong QB (Big Ben)
No one should be the least bit surprised if the Browns DO, in fact, take Josh Allen. And my, what a Browns-y thing that would be! Here's hoping it happens! -
4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:
I didn't call YOU retarded, I called the dumbass fallacy of "You miss all the shots you don't take" retarded. There's a difference.
IF you don't see the difference, then yes, you are in fact irretrievably stupid.
Even in a post in which you are attempting to clarify that you weren't insulting me, you felt that need to mention that I might be irretrievably stupid. Cool.
Let me know if you want to talk about football. I have no interesting in carrying on a conversation based on personal attacks. -
28 minutes ago, DC Tom said:
You bolded 14 of 49 names (I would have included Carson Palmer and Vinnie GreenBalls, though, as they had reasonably good careers.) That's a 3 in 10 success rate. Given that the overall rate at which top-ten picks go to the Pro Bowl (around 50%), that's a significant indication that teams over-reach for QBs in the top 10.
Plus, in this case what's being advocated in this case is moving up to the top 10, which requires the expenditure of additional resources (picks or players). So basically, the idea is that we should over-reach even more than usual on a 7 in 10 chance of a bust.
All on the fallacious idea that you have to take all the shots because "you miss all the shots you don't take." Which is thoroughly retarded - you're using a form of gambler's fallacy to raise on drawing a full house on one pair, because although you probably won't draw that full house, you definitely won't if you don't call and take three cards.
You really are the most misnamed poster ever.
Ah, DC Tom. I know I can always count on you to make personal attacks in posts that don't warrant them. Also, it's 2018, maybe you could come up with some form of criticism other than calling things "retarded"?
I guess I was operating under the mistaken impression that this is a message board built for discussion of topics. I missed the part where anyone who disagrees with you automatically has "retarded" opinions and is illogical.
For your original post with the list of names to have any merit, we'd have to compare the success rate (30%, as you stated) with the collective success rate of all QBs taken OUTSIDE the top 10 picks in the past four decades. Want to guess which list has a higher rate of success overall?
But forgive me, there I go again, DARING to have opinions that differ from yours, for which I must clearly be illogical and "retarded". Some real mature, high quality rebuttal on your part, as usual. -
4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:
Let's list all the QBs picked in the first 10 rounds of the draft since 1980:
1980s:
Rich Campbell
Art Schlichter
Jim McMahon
John Elway
Todd Blackledge
Jim Everett
Kelly Stouffer
Vinnie Testaverde
Troy Aikman
1990s:
Jeff George
Andre Ware
David Klingler
Drew Bledsoe
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer
Steve McNair
Kerry Collins
Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
2000s:
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Alex Smith
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jamarcus Russell
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Butt Fumble
2010s:
Sam Bradford
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Andrew Luck
RGIII
Ryan Tannenhill
Blake Bortles
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Patrick Mahomes
Not an illustrious list. Certainly not a consistent-enough list that it suggests moving in to the top 10 to select a QB is worthwhile. Between the outright busts and the number of QBs who ended up moving to other teams and being successful, there's a decent argument to be made for moving in to the top 10 to pick a "franchise QB" to be a losing proposition, as more likely than not he'll either fail or be someone else's franchise QB down the road.
Yes, there are a lot of misses on the list. There are also a lot of hits and a few Hall of Famers.
You miss all of the shots you don't take. Yes, the Bills could wind up with an Akili Smith or Jamarcus Russell. They could also end up with a John Elway or Peyton Manning. You've got to fire your gun at some point and hope for the best. Lord knows we've got enough bullets this year.-
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Darnold- Face of Franchise
Rosen- Solid Starter
Allen- Bust
Mayfield- Hall of Fame Pace
Jackson- Face of Franchise
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Baker's my top choice. I believe he'll be the best QB from this draft. I hope the Bills take him but am not feeling too optimistic about it.
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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
It's what I dislike about Rosen the most. Statuesque.
Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, and Tom Brady are three of the least athletic, most "statuesque" passers I can ever remember.
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I sincerely doubt that the Colts didn't give Beane a chance to beat the Jets' offer. If the Jets beat the Bills to the 3 spot, it's because Beane chose not to agree to whatever it was going to take to beat the Jets' offer.
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Yes. Kyle Williams being rewarded for years of hard work, his reaction...pretty much that whole day/night....all the reaction videos, the universal jubilation of Bills fans...the fact that we no longer see the name "Buffalo Bills" listed in the "longest playoff drought" graphic.
In every way, shape, and form...it was worth it.-
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Without a moment's hesitation, yes.
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McDermott needs very specific things from his cornerbacks.
Ideally, they should be long, strong, have a big wingspan, good "zone eyes", and be willing tacklers.
Whether you agree or disagree, McDermott and co seem to have concluded that Darby didn't fit the mold, so they moved on and got what they could in return.
Me personally? I'm fine with the trade. Getting a 3rd back for a guy of Darby's caliber -- when players like JPP and Marcus Peters and Robert Quinn got traded for less -- seems like great value. -
3 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:
I'll trust the process when I see it produce results, not when someone tells me to.
Accomplishing in their first season (playoff berth) what the previous 17 years worth of coaches and GMs couldn't wasn't enough for you, eh?
How about completely clearing out a bloated salary cap situation such that the Bills are now flush with draft picks and have $100million in cap space for 2019. Still not doing it?
Just out of curiosity...what WILL convince you?-
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10 hours ago, TaskerTough said:
No. He's a scratch golfer, has incredible burst speed, and swims like an otter. Ask anyone.
You're totally right, actually.
What I SHOULD have said is that he's not the cookie cutter prototype for a successful DT. It's why he lasted until the 5th round. Strange build, short arms, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Kyle at all. As I said, he's my favorite Buffalo Bill of all time. Him running in a touchdown in the Dolphins game actually caused me to get choked up for a minute. Told everyone I was having allergy issues. -
12 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:
"You've gotta spend the money SOMEWHERE" is the dumbest excuse for overpaying a player. Good Lord.
This team still needs two starting linebackers, a right side of the offensive line, and at least one starting wide receiver with speed. How about we save a little on a bad defensive lineman and spend that money on one or more of those positions instead?
a BAD defensive lineman? REALLY?! I suppose you watched him play a bunch before you came to this conclusion?
Also...I hate to tell you this, but if you honestly thought the Bills could fill all of the roster holes you mentioned in one free agency period, then you're being unrealistic. Let's see what the draft and UDFA period bring.
By the way, They're spending about HALF on Star what they were spending on Dareus, and they have an extra 5th round pick and a player with a better attitude to show for it.-
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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Just watched his press conference and boy was he bleh. Genuinely seemed to not give a crap about being here. Was hoping he’d be a little more fired up. “What’s your relationship with McDermott and Brandon Beane?” “Uuummmmmmm, the relationship we had was a good relationship. You know, he’s a good coach”. Ugh. Glad it was only 4 minutes. 2 minutes shorter than Rafael Bushs pc
I don't care if he ever says one worthwhile word again, so long as he keeps occupying double team and pushing the pocket.
Baker Mayfield
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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My personal opinion (I don't have any mysterious "sources"): Bills would be happy with Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen.
I don't think they want Allen (they traded out of the chance to draft Mahomes last year, and Mahomes and Allen are very similar). I don't think they want Jackson ("it's a drop back league and I'm committed to that", said McDermott) or Rudolph (they didn't stockpile picks to take the 6th best QB in the class).
I think they like Darnold's flawless intangibles, Rosen's excellent play from the pocket, and Mayfield's stellar accuracy and leadership abilities. I think they'd be happy with any of the three. I think they'll wait until draft night, see who falls, and trade up to get him.
I WILL say this...I find the lack of "Mayfield to Buffalo" talk so far to be pretty interesting (a Jeremy White tweet doesn't really count, in my book). We've heard high placed "sources" stating interest in Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. We've even recently heard Lamar Jackson talk. But the silence around a Mayfield-Buffalo connection has been deafening. Not only that, but Beane recently, when asked about QBs, mentioned the importance of "does a team rally behind a guy?" and mentioned that Jake Delhomme was a "12 out of 10 in the leadership department". Who does that sound like to you from this draft class? And does anyone but me think that "two-time walk-on turned Heisman winner" would be appealing as heck to a guy like Sean McDermott?! Mayfield is my personal top choice in this draft, and I hope the Bills see things the way I do.