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7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
I just don't see an OT worthy of #9. I'm not convinced Jonah Williams is a tackle, really, and I don't think he's the next Q. Nelson at guard, though he'll probably be solid. Taylor is the fella with the most upside at tackle supposedly. I think Dillard is soft and a finesse kind of player; that doesn't sound like it fits with the kind of line we are trying to build. Tytus Howard is a developmental tackle worth looking at. You can get him in the second.
That's fair.
The way I look at it, Jonah Williams was the best offensive tackle in the SEC last year and one of the best in all of college football. That's got to count for something. He's playing against future NFL edge rushers and is operating a scheme at 'Bama that features a lot of stuff he'll be seeing on Sundays. And he DOMINATED.
If the idea is that he can't be a tackle in the NFL just because his arms are 2 inches too short, and we're going to completely disregard his proven production at the college level, well...we'll see, I guess.
I'm not sure I buy that Williams is strictly a guard in the NFL. I DO believe, however, that if he flames out at tackle, he'll still make an above average guard. I'm not saying Quenten Nelson level, but I'll think he'll be darn good inside if that's where he ends up. And offensive tackle is one of the only positions in the draft where if the guy you pick doesn't work out, he has a potential fall-back position that keeps the pick from being a waste. If DK Metcalf or Ed Oliver bust at WR or DT, respectively, for instance, there's no backup position for them. -
23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
It's a simple question. How did that team benefit from having Thomas? He's no doubt one of the best ever. Yet their O-line underperformed as though he wasn't there. Where was the impact? Thomas made a great career for himself, no doubt.
I'll remind you that they picked him over Adrian Peterson. They could gotten the same value if they traded down and taken Joe Staley.
1.) Offensive Tackle is either the second or third most important position in Football. QB is #1, obviously, but after that come Edge Rushers and Offensive Tackles. Your attempt to minimize the importance of a high quality left tackle is off base, in my opinion.
2.) We can play this game both ways. How many championships did dangerous offensive weapon and Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez win his team over the years? How many championships did the Lions win with Calvin Johnson or with Barry Sanders? You can't use the lack of team success during a great player's tenure as evidence that that player isn't worth having or seeking out in the draft.
3.) Do you really think the Browns would have won more games during those years if they had chosen Adrian Peterson over Joe Thomas?
If you want an "impact player" at 9, it's hard to overstate the influence that a franchise left tackle can have on a quarterback's success and on an offense as a whole. It's also hard to overstate the importance of the left tackle position in general. If you told me I could have either Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson in their prime on the Bills for the next decade, I know who I'd pick 10 times out of 10. -
3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
nah.
What impact did a "surefire Hall of Famer" T have for that team all those years? They routinely had one of the worst O-lines. It makes the point that the greatest O-lineman ever born (or whatever) can only have a very limited impact. It's the nature of the position. By definition an ensemble piece.
Wow. I'm not sure where to even start with that , so I'll just say that I politely and completely disagree. -
On 4/21/2019 at 2:05 PM, Aussie Joe said:
Also, can I suggest if you look closely at Star’s contract he is here for another two years... Doesn’t make sense to me to cut him after this season for $8M dead money to save $2M... could you honestly say he could be replaced for $2M?
Who said anything about cutting Star? Star plays the 0-technique position. Wilkins would start alongside him at the 3-technique position. We are one quality defensive tackle short of a full rotation at this point, and McDermott loves his d-line rotation. -
17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
How did that work out with Thomas and the rest of the Browns awful O-line for his entire career?
It's nice that Williams studies a lot, but....pass for an impact player at 9 please.
Did you just mention Joe Thomas in sentence one and then say "pass for an impact player" in sentence two? Joe Thomas is a surefire Hall of Famer. I think you just made the OPPOSITE of your point. -
Just now, TPS said:
Interesting. Would you have picked Dillard if you made the trade with mrags? If so, I would've been a little disappointed, but I did have a back up plan...
When I was trying to trade up, it WAS with Dillard in mind. As I thought about my choice at pick 20, though, I decided I think Risner's a better fit for the Packers any way. Here's why:
The Packers' LT spot is pretty locked in with David Bakhtiari. He's one of the best in the game and is only 27 years old.
Dillard's projected best spot in the NFL is at LT. Many question whether he has the toughness/power to play right tackle, and I'm inclined to agree.
With this being the case, and with the potential that Risner could more suitably help at RT or RG or even C, I now feel he'd ultimately make more sense for Green Bay.
You were right to take Dillard for the Vikings, though. They NEED a LT, which is what Dillard appears to be. I'd say both our teams wound up with good fits in the end.
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4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
Taking a look at Buffalo's 2019 schedule, they face some horses on the offensive side of the ball.
Le'Veon Bell x2
Sony Michel x2
Kenyon Drake x2
Saquan Barkley
Zeke Elliot
Adrian Peterson
Joe Mixon
Phillip Lindsay
Jordan Howard
Ingram/Lamar Jackson
James Connor
Nick Chubb
The defense will have their hands full this season. How much should the 2019 schedule affect draft strategy? The way I see it, Buffalo's playoff chances will be heavily reliant on how well they can stop the run. 17th in the league ain't gonna cut it.
That's okay, I feel a lot better when I look at some of the QUARTERBACKS they get to play in 2019!
Sam Darnold (x2)
Eli Manning
Andy Dalton
Marcus Mariota
Ryan Fitzpatrick (x2)
Case Keenum
Joe Flacco
Lamar Jackson
Sweeeeeeeet!
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17 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
I don't think it makes much sense for KC because of Dee Ford. I just don't understand why u get rid of a 34 edge rusher for a DE that never played in that scheme professionally.
Because the Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 this offseason. -
2 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
So, what's your solution? Use a 2nd on Jerry Tillery, who did nothing of significance for Notre Dame last season? Use a 2nd on Jeffrey Simmons, who tore his ACL preparing for the Combine and will likely miss the entire season? Take Khalen Saunders, a DT who has NEVER consistently gone up against legitimate competition, in the 3rd?
I am in the camp that thinks taking a defensive lineman in the 1st round is the most sensible approach.
With that being said, your condescension, hostility, and belittling toward anyone who DARES disagree with you is getting old.
You're a fan on an internet message board. Same as the rest of us. Yet you talk like you're the smartest guy in the room. Your schtick has worn out its welcome. Your repetitive posts have grown stale. Worst of all, you do a disservice to the legendary name of Jim Cornette!-
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2 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
Are you super excited about the run defense going up against Le'Veon Bell (twice), Ezekiel Elliott, Phil Lindsay, Kenyan Drake (twice), Wendell Smallwood?
Are you super excited about losing a bunch of games by a score of 13-6 because we keep our defense elite but fail to upgrade our offense in a meaningful way and therefore can't score points?
Also, have you ever looked up the word "repetitive" in the dictionary?-
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For all those asking if Clark is a big upgrade over Ford, I believe that he probably is.
But more importantly, the Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 defense, so Clark is a better fit. Dee Ford is more of a 3-4 guy.
*Note: Yes, I'm aware teams mostly play nickel these days.-
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I'd say no.
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That trade makes sense for the Chiefs. They're only really giving up the 29th pick this year and a probable late 2nd next year. They can also reasonably feel like they're an impact pass rusher away from another Super Bowl run.
This move would NOT have made sense for the Bills. The 9th pick is too high to give up for a team that is where the Bills are in their building process, and the Bills should NOT reasonably feel like they're one player away from a Super Bowl run.-
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In deciding what to do with the 20th pick in the 1st round, I consulted numerous mock drafts and articles about the Packers and their top needs. A consistent theme emerged: They need offensive line help. Just about everyone seems to agree. There are other needs, sure, but the Packers need to make sure they can keep Aaron Rodgers upright and healthy if they want to contend for a Lombardi. Not only that, but new head coach Matt LaFleur feels that too much of the Packers' offensive production in the passing game in recent years has come from improvisatory plays from Rodgers after he is forced to leave the pocket due to shoddy protection. In an effort to keep the pocket clean for Rodgers so that he can run LaFleur's offense the way it is intended to be run, the Packers MUST ensure they improve the protection in front of #12.
With that said:
With the 20th pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select OL Dalton Risner, Kansas State.
The Packers had Dalton Risner ranked as the 22nd best player on their big board, so the value matches up nicely with the need here. In Risner, the Packers see a young version of Bryan Bulaga. Like Bulaga, Risner is projected to move to an interior position in the NFL. Like Bulaga, the Packers believe he may, in fact, be able to play tackle. Recent Packer free agent acquisition Billy Turner has also played both right guard and right tackle in the NFL. The Packers plan to let Turner and Risner compete with Bulaga at right tackle, knowing that both players can also kick inside to guard should the need arise. Whether Risner ultimately lines up at tackle or guard for the Packers, they can be certain of one thing: He will upgrade the toughness, leadership, versatility, and production of their offensive line.
@Alphadawg7 and his Seattle Seahawks are now on the clock. -
14 minutes ago, Virgil said:
If everyone can please try to have a top 3 guys they want and have trades worked out in advance, that would help.
I'm debating saying no trades once we get to round 3. We are running short on time and people are waiting until their picks to start the trade process.
We need to move
I think we should move the pick time limit to 2 hours instead of 4, starting in the next round. No way the draft gets done before the ACTUAL draft otherwise.-
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25 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:
I'm convinced we are going to maneuver for Oliver
He was miscast as a nose tackle in Houston’s defensive scheme but is at his best when penetrating into the backfield. Both Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott attended Oliver’s pro day workout at Houston. It was one of just two pro days McDermott attended this year. If Oliver is available at No. 9, he will be tough to pass up. Brugler rates him as the No. 5 prospect in this draft and describes Oliver as an “ideal one-gap penetrator due to his athleticism, instincts and relentless nature, projecting best when he is lined up closest to the football.”
McD at the Owners Meeting:
"Yeah that's big. That's really big. To be able to get pressure from the inside... you know, people would argue that there's ways to take away the edge rusher more than there is ways to take away the inside, the interior rusher, and I would probably agree. The ability to pressure an effective quarterback from the inside out is critical when you want to play good football on defense. So, you've got to make sure that you've got enough of those guys."
Write up of the McD & Johnson Defense
In McDermott’s system — like most 4-3 alignments — the defensive line is unleashed on the opponent’s backfield (and quarterback) in a relentless one-gap onslaught. There’s little to no two-gapping for defensive linemen.
McDermott’s (and originally Johnson’s) idea is that quick penetration into the opponent’s backfield from any one of the defensive linemen is the fastest and most efficient way to disrupt the offense. This scheme doesn’t “protect” linebackers against pulling guards. It’s designed to stop run plays before the pulling guard’s block can have an effect at the second level.
The only problem is: How high will Oliver go? Recent rumors indicate that the Jets are interested at #3. Even if that's just a smokescreen to get someone to trade up, you have to think they're not going to let the division rival Bills be the trade partner. And even if they were, are people prepared to see the Bills part with, say, our 1st and 2nd this year AND our 1st next year? That's the type of ammo we'd need to get that high. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't do it, only that that's a lot of ammo to part with for one player. -
4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:
Yep, but I think the Bills have someone they want at 9. If he’s gone, then a trade happens. If not, they stay.
Just like the Broncos last year.
Agreed. In my mind -- and I could be way off -- if Oliver or Quinnen isn't there, they look to move down. Since I don't expect either guy to be there, I expect a trade down.
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I'm guessing the Texans would be coming up for a premiere OT. The Panthers for an edge guy.
I'd be willing to bet that when it's all said and done, the Bills will trade down with either the Texans or Panthers. Doesn't feel like the Bills will be picking at 9.1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:It's either that or 23 and Clowney.
Man. 23 and Clowney for 9 would be awesome.
I'd even throw in a 4th rounder or something. -
1 minute ago, mrags said:
Make it 20th and a 2nd and you have a deal
No thanks. That's a steep overpay on my part by several hundred points of value. I'm not desperate to trade up. Figured I'd just throw something out there since you said you'd "consider anything at this point". -
2 minutes ago, mrags said:
I’m close to making a pick. Looking for any last minute trade offers. I’m open to anything at this point.
I'll give you my 20th pick, 4th rounder and 7th rounder for your pick. -
1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Why is my name on this list? I didn't sign up lol
If anyone (Yolo, Joe in Winslow, etc) doesn't want to be in this thing, allow me to be the first to volunteer to take on extra drafting duties if needed. -
Gary is the number 1 player I hope they don't touch with a 10 foot pole.
Limited college production, "physical freak" but with no stats to back it up, questions about whether he really loves football, and now this?
Stay away, Beane. Stay far, far away.-
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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Leveon, my wayward son.
Paying as big a contract as the Jets did for ANY running back is silly. Ditto for an off-ball linebacker like CJ Moseley. But then, when your GM is on his last legs and needs to make big splashy moves to save his ass, this is what happens.
Bell had absolutely NO part in the Jets' jersey unveiling, which you would hope a guy you're paying this much money to would be involved in. Now he skips voluntary mini-camp. Does this say "all in" to anyone else? Is this the type of guy that it seems logical to pay a big contract to? Is this the example you want to set for the rest of your locker room, as far as who gets rewarded with big money (a guy like Bell) and who doesn't (a guy like Mitch Morse).
I know I sound like a broken record, but McCagnan is a terrible GM, and the Jets will be firing him within the next couple of seasons. I don't like the Gase signing, either, which is to say that the current direction of the Jets has me pretty happy, as a Bills fan.-
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1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
I usually like Cover 1's analysis, but, I am struggling with this part of the article:
So if the Bills stay at nine and are on the clock, I believe the board of best players available will be:
- DT Quinnen Williams
- DT Ed Oliver
- TE TJ Hockenson
- OT Jonah Williams
- LB Devin Bush
- OT Jawaan Taylor
I REALLY want these to be our options at 9 but I would be amazed if any of Q Williams/Oliver/Taylor and J Williams were available, let alone ALL of them still being there. If this were true I imagine we will sprint to the table with Q Williams as our pick.
I don't think he's actually saying that all of those guys will be there at 9. I think he's saying that when the Bills' pick comes up at 9, if they don't trade back, this is the order in which they would take these players, depending who is available. No one really expects Williams or Oliver to still be there, so he concludes that the pick will be Hockenson. If Hockenson were gone, as well, they'd pick Jonah Williams, and so on. Again, I'm quite certain he's not saying these guys will all actually be on the board at 9.-
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OL Jonah Williams takes it to another level.
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This is the worst and most nonsensical argument ever.
A Hall of Fame OT doesn't affect the franchise as much as other positions? Really? Other than QB and Edge, WHAT other positions affect a team's fortunes as much as LT?! I'll wait here.