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Twas the night before the Draft,
and all through the States
football fans were pondering their favorite teams' fates.
The prospects were pondered and each given grades,
while fans wrote new mock drafts with really dumb trades.
The pizzas were ordered,
the beer was on ice,
the effort put into making man caves look nice.
When on the TV there came such a loud din,
It was goofy-haired Kiper, yapping again.
Just as the channel was about to be turned,
here came McShay, to share what he'd learned.
The flowers now blooming,
the skies a dull gray,
Gave color to a late April Christmas-like day.
As fans sat and hoped and said football prayers,
and pondered their favorite draftable players.
"Now Quinnen, now Murray, now Cheevers, now White,
now a corner named Greedy who covers them tight.
On Jacobs, on Bush, on Simmons and Fant,
On combine freak Metcalf, can he run a slant?!"
As we all nestled down and tried hard to sleep,
We were suddenly disturbed by a rather loud "peep".
I peaked out on my roof and was shocked by the scene,
A man dressed in red, Bills GM Brandon Beane!
With curiosity getting the better of me,
I asked Beane a question with curious glee:
"Who will we take? Will we draft in the current order?"
"Sorry", he said, "We'll be taking a corner!"
My dreams freshly crushed,
I slinked back off to bed,
With visions of playoff droughts fresh in my head.
But I prayed and I hoped and I tried not to worry,
For Josh Allen's here now, we'll be good in a hurry!
The draft will soon start, the future is bright,
Happy Draft Eve to all, and to all a good night!
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1 minute ago, maryland-bills-fan said:
With Jim Kelly, T.Thomas and Lofton/Reed/Tasker, there were not that many balls left over for the TE.
I know it. But even McKellar and Metzelaars were not truly dominant tight ends. I'm talking a Gronk/Gonzalez/Witten level player. I loved the 90s TEs, but they were not at that level. -
Brown doesn't remind me of Austin.
Austin's game was side-to-side quickness, agility, lateral movement. He has never been and still isn't a true wide receiver. More of a jet sweep motion guy and "offensive weapon" if you want to call him that.
Brown, on the other hand, is a true wide receiver. He's somewhere between DeSean Jackson and Marquise Goodwin. His calling card is straight line speed. He will take the top off a defense.
I'm not for drafting Brown because we have two of him already in John Brown and Robert Foster, but best of look to whoever drafts him in keeping him healthy.-
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I know I'm S.O.L. on this one, but...
TJ Hockenson
Why? Because the Bills have never, literally NEVER had a dominant tight end in their nearly 60 years of existence.
It would just be nice.-
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Just now, NewEra said:
Wake up @GunnerBill!!
lol isn't it 1:30am on the east coast?
This thing is going to HAVE to start moving considerably faster tomorrow or else this won't get past the 2nd round.-
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TEs Dawson Knox and Foster Moreau.
OT Bobby Evans
OG Ben Powers-
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19 minutes ago, Rhode Island Red said:
I am totally sure there are folks here that can make the comparison from this discussion to that draft off the top of their heads; I cannot. I’d guess that Polian had Bennett pegged as a perfect fit for a need, with no other player close.
I can say, however, that
1. I think Beane would rather all of us ravish his wife than give up next year’s one. He wouldn’t/didn’t do it for Josh, why ever now?
2. Q. Williams seems great, OK, but Beano’s not housed at a party thinking he’s gonna’ go all in for the most luscious cheerleader, he’s a sane professional that is fully (if not anally) aware of price tags, and BULLY FOR US!!!
3. Coach Clap is on record as wanting QB pressure from inside, which, to a degree, mitigates the Neanderthal Defensive Coach label for him. We also were absolutely gouged on the ground by our immediate hurdle (Patriots). So we need both run-stuff AND inside pressure, but on our budget.
To me that spells DEXTER LAWRENCE
He swallows up RBs like they’re PooPoos on a platter, he tracks sideline runs like a snake, he’s got eyes for blocked kicks/passes.
I don’t care whether BB sits at 9, or trades up or down, so long as he gets the defensive line help, along with a TE, AND keeps next year’s first.
There's....a lot to unpack here. -
12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
I mean if you could offer anything persuasive in response I would consider it. You just keep repeating the same thing. Your arguments made no sense (Sanders, Megatron, Gonzalez), as I showed.
Impact. No impact.
Yeah the Browns fans will be talking about Joe Thomas forever. "remember when Thomas did....that blocking, uh....". " He was a real bright spot protecting his side of the line of scrimmage!"
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
- Mark Twain
Look man, you've made your point of view perfectly clear. You think left tackle is an unimportant position and the Browns would've been better off drafting Marshawn Lynch or Lawrence freaking Timmons, because they sure didn't do much winning with First Ballot Hall of Famer Joe Thomas on the roster!
We can agree to disagree, it's fine. You think that left tackle is not an "impact position". I vehemently disagree, and would venture to guess that 90% of the humans who watch and understand football would agree with me.
It's fine. Let's move on. -
1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:
History proven this. Everyone raves about Dallas's O-line talent. Yet their offense is mediocre---relies mainly on an outstanding RB.
As I said, Joe Staley would have just as valuable as Thomas for the Browns. Or they could have drafted AP. Or Patrick Willis. Or Revis. Or Lawrence Timmons. That guy could get to the QB! Heck even Beastmode was available---how many HOF LTs did he run behind in Seattle with those championships?
Stop repeating what you have told and start assessing for yourself.
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Just now, Mr. WEO said:
I'm not sure how else to explain it. Barry Sanders had an overwhelmingly obvious impact on the Detroit offense in that he WAS the offense. Ditto for Megatron. Gonzalez scored 111 TDs, over 15,ooo yards, 864 1st downs and in the last 16 of his 17 seasons, he missed one start!
These guys were playing at position that by their very nature are high impact/playmaker positions----and they were each among the very best to play the game.
Joe Thomas prevented a lot of pass rushers from getting to the QB....from the Left side of the line. The QBs were gotten to from everywhere else.
Still can't tell the difference?
How many championships did Russell Wilson win with a HOF (or even a very good) LT? A couple. Brady? Almost all of them his career....
Oh FFS.
Fine. You win. Wide receiver and running back and tight end are clearly more important to team success than a quality left tackle.
What was I thinking?
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Just now, Mat68 said:
What was Joe Thomas impact on the Browns franchise. What was Walter Jones impact for Seatle? But again it's also a team sport. One player not matter how good doesnt change a lot.
That argument is asinine.
How many titles did Randy Moss win?
How many titles did Barry Sanders win?
How many titles did Tony Gonzalez win?
If the argument is for an "impact player" instead of a lineman, which is how this conversation started, I'll ask again: What position other than QB or edge rusher has as big an impact on a football team? -
16 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
The Browns were the worst team in football for the vast majority of his career. The point is that a Hall of Fame OT doesnt effect the franchise and team as much as other positions can. Now it's a team sport so 1 player doesnt have a large contribution to the overall success expect for QB, and even they are leveraged by coaching blocking and pass catchers.
This is the worst and most nonsensical argument ever.
A Hall of Fame OT doesn't affect the franchise as much as other positions? Really? Other than QB and Edge, WHAT other positions affect a team's fortunes as much as LT?! I'll wait here. -
7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
I just don't see an OT worthy of #9. I'm not convinced Jonah Williams is a tackle, really, and I don't think he's the next Q. Nelson at guard, though he'll probably be solid. Taylor is the fella with the most upside at tackle supposedly. I think Dillard is soft and a finesse kind of player; that doesn't sound like it fits with the kind of line we are trying to build. Tytus Howard is a developmental tackle worth looking at. You can get him in the second.
That's fair.
The way I look at it, Jonah Williams was the best offensive tackle in the SEC last year and one of the best in all of college football. That's got to count for something. He's playing against future NFL edge rushers and is operating a scheme at 'Bama that features a lot of stuff he'll be seeing on Sundays. And he DOMINATED.
If the idea is that he can't be a tackle in the NFL just because his arms are 2 inches too short, and we're going to completely disregard his proven production at the college level, well...we'll see, I guess.
I'm not sure I buy that Williams is strictly a guard in the NFL. I DO believe, however, that if he flames out at tackle, he'll still make an above average guard. I'm not saying Quenten Nelson level, but I'll think he'll be darn good inside if that's where he ends up. And offensive tackle is one of the only positions in the draft where if the guy you pick doesn't work out, he has a potential fall-back position that keeps the pick from being a waste. If DK Metcalf or Ed Oliver bust at WR or DT, respectively, for instance, there's no backup position for them. -
23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
It's a simple question. How did that team benefit from having Thomas? He's no doubt one of the best ever. Yet their O-line underperformed as though he wasn't there. Where was the impact? Thomas made a great career for himself, no doubt.
I'll remind you that they picked him over Adrian Peterson. They could gotten the same value if they traded down and taken Joe Staley.
1.) Offensive Tackle is either the second or third most important position in Football. QB is #1, obviously, but after that come Edge Rushers and Offensive Tackles. Your attempt to minimize the importance of a high quality left tackle is off base, in my opinion.
2.) We can play this game both ways. How many championships did dangerous offensive weapon and Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez win his team over the years? How many championships did the Lions win with Calvin Johnson or with Barry Sanders? You can't use the lack of team success during a great player's tenure as evidence that that player isn't worth having or seeking out in the draft.
3.) Do you really think the Browns would have won more games during those years if they had chosen Adrian Peterson over Joe Thomas?
If you want an "impact player" at 9, it's hard to overstate the influence that a franchise left tackle can have on a quarterback's success and on an offense as a whole. It's also hard to overstate the importance of the left tackle position in general. If you told me I could have either Joe Thomas or Calvin Johnson in their prime on the Bills for the next decade, I know who I'd pick 10 times out of 10. -
3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
nah.
What impact did a "surefire Hall of Famer" T have for that team all those years? They routinely had one of the worst O-lines. It makes the point that the greatest O-lineman ever born (or whatever) can only have a very limited impact. It's the nature of the position. By definition an ensemble piece.
Wow. I'm not sure where to even start with that , so I'll just say that I politely and completely disagree. -
On 4/21/2019 at 2:05 PM, Aussie Joe said:
Also, can I suggest if you look closely at Star’s contract he is here for another two years... Doesn’t make sense to me to cut him after this season for $8M dead money to save $2M... could you honestly say he could be replaced for $2M?
Who said anything about cutting Star? Star plays the 0-technique position. Wilkins would start alongside him at the 3-technique position. We are one quality defensive tackle short of a full rotation at this point, and McDermott loves his d-line rotation. -
17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
How did that work out with Thomas and the rest of the Browns awful O-line for his entire career?
It's nice that Williams studies a lot, but....pass for an impact player at 9 please.
Did you just mention Joe Thomas in sentence one and then say "pass for an impact player" in sentence two? Joe Thomas is a surefire Hall of Famer. I think you just made the OPPOSITE of your point. -
Just now, TPS said:
Interesting. Would you have picked Dillard if you made the trade with mrags? If so, I would've been a little disappointed, but I did have a back up plan...
When I was trying to trade up, it WAS with Dillard in mind. As I thought about my choice at pick 20, though, I decided I think Risner's a better fit for the Packers any way. Here's why:
The Packers' LT spot is pretty locked in with David Bakhtiari. He's one of the best in the game and is only 27 years old.
Dillard's projected best spot in the NFL is at LT. Many question whether he has the toughness/power to play right tackle, and I'm inclined to agree.
With this being the case, and with the potential that Risner could more suitably help at RT or RG or even C, I now feel he'd ultimately make more sense for Green Bay.
You were right to take Dillard for the Vikings, though. They NEED a LT, which is what Dillard appears to be. I'd say both our teams wound up with good fits in the end.
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4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
Taking a look at Buffalo's 2019 schedule, they face some horses on the offensive side of the ball.
Le'Veon Bell x2
Sony Michel x2
Kenyon Drake x2
Saquan Barkley
Zeke Elliot
Adrian Peterson
Joe Mixon
Phillip Lindsay
Jordan Howard
Ingram/Lamar Jackson
James Connor
Nick Chubb
The defense will have their hands full this season. How much should the 2019 schedule affect draft strategy? The way I see it, Buffalo's playoff chances will be heavily reliant on how well they can stop the run. 17th in the league ain't gonna cut it.
That's okay, I feel a lot better when I look at some of the QUARTERBACKS they get to play in 2019!
Sam Darnold (x2)
Eli Manning
Andy Dalton
Marcus Mariota
Ryan Fitzpatrick (x2)
Case Keenum
Joe Flacco
Lamar Jackson
Sweeeeeeeet!
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17 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
I don't think it makes much sense for KC because of Dee Ford. I just don't understand why u get rid of a 34 edge rusher for a DE that never played in that scheme professionally.
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2 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
So, what's your solution? Use a 2nd on Jerry Tillery, who did nothing of significance for Notre Dame last season? Use a 2nd on Jeffrey Simmons, who tore his ACL preparing for the Combine and will likely miss the entire season? Take Khalen Saunders, a DT who has NEVER consistently gone up against legitimate competition, in the 3rd?
I am in the camp that thinks taking a defensive lineman in the 1st round is the most sensible approach.
With that being said, your condescension, hostility, and belittling toward anyone who DARES disagree with you is getting old.
You're a fan on an internet message board. Same as the rest of us. Yet you talk like you're the smartest guy in the room. Your schtick has worn out its welcome. Your repetitive posts have grown stale. Worst of all, you do a disservice to the legendary name of Jim Cornette!-
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2 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said:
Are you super excited about the run defense going up against Le'Veon Bell (twice), Ezekiel Elliott, Phil Lindsay, Kenyan Drake (twice), Wendell Smallwood?
Are you super excited about losing a bunch of games by a score of 13-6 because we keep our defense elite but fail to upgrade our offense in a meaningful way and therefore can't score points?
Also, have you ever looked up the word "repetitive" in the dictionary?-
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For all those asking if Clark is a big upgrade over Ford, I believe that he probably is.
But more importantly, the Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 defense, so Clark is a better fit. Dee Ford is more of a 3-4 guy.
*Note: Yes, I'm aware teams mostly play nickel these days.-
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I'd say no.
Twas the night before Christmas!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Even in a simple, funny little thread about the excitement the night before the draft, you found it necessary to come in and -- in all caps, no less -- repeat yourself for the 87th time. We get it, dude, you want a defensive lineman, you don't want an offensive skill player, and you think that anyone who does is a fool. How many more ways can you find to repeat yourself before the Bills are on the clock?