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4 minutes ago, Punt75 said:
With the Incognito retirement / quit the Bills have $38 mil in 2018 Dead Cap spending. No other NFL team is close to that number (AZ w/$20mil and KC w/$16mil.)
FIVE players (Dareus, Glenn, Tyrod, Aaron Williams & Richie) make up $36mil of that amount.
I still believe the Bills need MORE DRAFT PICKS right now. Trade the #1's for extra choices in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Draft a "2nd tier" QB in the 2nd and then get quality players at OT, G, LB's, WR, CB and more! The rookie draft pick salaries are a bargain and they'll be Bills for 4+ years.
I respectfully disagree.
A completely rebuilt and filled out roster STILL won't crack 8 wins without a decent QB. That's a fact.
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No. They will finish with a worse record because they will be starting a rookie QB.
BUT....you sometimes have to take a step back to make a leap forward. Manning, Kelly, Aikman, and more recently Goff and Wentz...all finished their first seasons with losing records. But then year two of their careers happened, and none of their teams cared much about that first year.-
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"Hell with a QB!" = Title of the upcoming book detailing Bills football between 1999-2018.
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8 hours ago, What a Tuel said:
While that guy was way overboard, the truth is that Beane better get this right with whatever plan he has, because the Jets definitely outmaneuvered us, and if we come out of this without a solid QB, and the Jets do? Then there is some blame to lay at our GMs feet. People will give him a free pass and say it was impossible to beat the Jets to the punch but it really wasn't.
I'll just reiterate now what I said then: There is absolutely NO WAY that the Colts accepted the Jets deal without giving Buffalo a chance to beat the offer first. If Beane declined, it means he was not "beat to the punch" or "out-maneuvered". It simply means he didn't want to pay whatever cost the Colts were asking for.
But more importantly, I refuse to say one word about Beane good OR bad with regard to the draft until he...ya know...PARTICIPATES in a draft! -
This HAS to be a joke account and post, right? I mean...it HAS to.
No one can actually be like this.-
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9 minutes ago, QBorBust2018 said:
Still can’t believe the bills fell asleep at the wheel and allowed the jets to put manuever them. Brandon Beene rookie gm choke job
guy has Tim Murray written all over him. Can’t even rank right
Oh wow. I'm so glad you joined the forum. It seems like you really have some well-reasoned, even-tempered, high quality insight! -
3 minutes ago, kdiggz said:
This would be very bad. Then it goes
1. Browns - Allen
2. Giants - Darnold
3. Jets - Rosen
5. Broncos - Mayfield
We get nobody in this scenario. We need Darnold to go 1. That opens up either trading up to 2 or sitting back and getting the 4th QB (Mayfield or Rosen) at 6 or 7
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Now THIS is a new and original topic that hasn't yet been discussed!
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1 minute ago, DCOrange said:
On the flipside, for the sake of Part 1 of this article, in which the argument is simply "Is he the best QB in the class or is he not?", I'd argue that Allen is one of like 3 guys that has a legitimate chance of being the best in this year's class.
You're right. Unfortunately, I also feel as though he is one of like 3 guys that has a legitimate chance of being the WORST in this year's class.
Classic Boom or Bust. I'm still siding with "Bust", but I'm just a fan, not a professional evaluator. Glad I'm not the one that has to make this decision for real.-
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1 minute ago, Pete said:
watch the throw Allen makes at the :55 mark. That is why the Browns might select Josh Allen #1 overall. He draws comparisons to Cam Newton
Thanks. I've seen that throw and that video before.
Unfortunately, watching highlight videos doesn't give you a very honest appraisal of a prospect. For every "wow" throw he makes -- and I fully admit that he makes some jaw-dropping throws -- there are two or three easy misses that make you question if he can do even the little things consistently well. I've seen simple swing passes, drags, and curls be overthrown, picked off, or wildly inaccurate too many times to count in the games I've watched of Allen's.
I love that he can make those big time throws, but if he can't keep his offense on schedule by completing the easy stuff, then those big time throws won't matter. You know who got drafted because of his mobility, ability to throw the ball to the moon, and occasional jaw-dropping throws? JP Losman. But heaven help you if you needed him to complete a 5 yard curl route on 1st down.
I'm still not biting. Allen will bust. -
I agree with Bill Barnwell (which is a sentence that makes me ill to type).
There are some "anonymous NFL sources" who just INSIST that Josh Allen is worth a top 10 or top 5 pick. I'm not buying it. He SO CLEARLY demonstrates many of the traits of a colossal bust. And yet, a 6'5" frame and a cannon arm have a tendency to give NFL scouts complete amnesia and hypnotize them into thinking "we can make something of this kid!". I won't bite. Allen will bust.
Why can't these guys learn?
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9 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
The biggest difference between these two is that Snead found the quarterback and Whaley struck out. Snead hasn't been the greatest drafter, but found a couple of great players. Generally speaking, I really liked a lot of what Whaley did but he could not get that quarterback, and when he did take a shot, he took the wrong guys. And now he is out of the league.
That is why this draft is so important to this regime and finding the right quarterback is #1 priority by a long shot.
Yeah...having the 1st overall pick in the draft is usually mighty helpful in that regard!-
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7 hours ago, #34fan said:
I must say I'm disappointed in the young fella... He couldn't outrun three donut-addict cops?
I'll keep my two firsts, thank you very much... Might pass even if he's there at 12... Which could happen.
Meh. Your avatar picture is Nathan Peterman, so I'll take your quarterback analysis with a shaker of salt. -
I liked Whaley when he was here and rooted for him to succeed.
That being said, he went all-in on maxing out the roster -- which I can't necessarily blame him for -- and it wound up putting the Bills in a bad place with the salary cap. It's as if he sacrificed any semblance of long term vision in the name of immediate success. Again, with the Bills still struggling under the weight of The Drought during his tenure, I don't blame him all that much for trying to end it once and for all. But again, the Bills were not in a good place long term.
Beane and McDermott, on the other hand, seem to be able to plan for the future and enact a long term plan WHILE keeping the roster competitive in the present. That bodes well for the Bills. I'm optimistic about the future of this team under the leadership of these men.
Oh, and by the way...you know who reminds me a lot of Doug Whaley? Rams GM Les Snead. Never met a trade or splashy move he didn't like. Collects talent rather than building a TEAM. All in on immediate success at the probable expense of long term success. I'm glad we don't have that kind of guy at the helm any more. I'll take Beane over Snead all day.-
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The thing that keeps making me shake my head this draft season is "the Bills need a guy with a big arm for that Buffalo weather!".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Cleveland, New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and both New Jersey teams also play in bad weather from time to time? Don't ROAD teams play in bad weather? You don't hear people constantly talk about "The Browns should take Allen over Darnold because of that swirling Lake Erie wind!".
When you hear analysts talking about Buffalo, they always make it sounds like the farthest reaches of Siberia. It's just not that extremely different than other northeast based teams! It's ridiculous! -
Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, and Mason Rudolph will be the only QBs from this draft to have long careers as starters. The rest will either bust or wind up as backup journeymen at best.
Saquon Barkley will NOT be the most prolific, successful RB from this draft.
Derwin James and Harold Landry will both be drafted before Minkah Fitzpatrick.
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Coaching, heart, and luck.
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The thing that is key to remember, in my opinion, is that the Bills have set themselves up in such a way that they can trade up for a QB and STILL have a nearly full complement of draft picks. Now, it maybe true that if they have to way overpay to move all the way up to #2, this may not be the case. But let's say they give up their two 1sts, a 2nd , and a 3rd to move to the #5 spot. They would still have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, two 5ths, and a 6th. That's basically a full draft.
Another thing to remember, as others have pointed out, is that the Bills aren't going to be able to completely build their roster up in just one offseason, even IF they use all of the draft picks they currently possess. I think that McDermott's comment about "not as far along as people think" was meant to temper expectations for the 2018 season. This is year two of a rebuild. I believe they get their QB this year and let him learn on the job for a year. Then NEXT season, the Bills spend a bunch of the $90million in cap space they have and their full complement of draft picks to really "complete" the roster, as much as a roster ever CAN be completed in the NFL. They are following the model of "get a rookie QB on a cheap contract for 5 years, and use that window of low QB cost to build the roster around him". It's the best bet, in my opinion, and I'm glad that OBD seems to agree.-
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Seeing what Gase has been going through (Culture Change attempt coming too late....roster filled with "me-first" guys being purged on the fly) makes me really thankful for the way McDermott and Beane have handled the Bills roster since their arrival.
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While I was sorry to see Eric Wood retire, it couldn't have happened in a better year for the Bills. There are at least three legitimate day one starting centers in this draft. I hope Buffalo gets one of them.
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He'll do well in New England.
He's a 3rd down slot possession receiver.
I won't lose any sleep.-
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McDermott's defense needs two things to thrive: interior pass rush and quality, fast linebacker play.
Of those two, I feel that the interior pass rush (DT) group is deeper this year. I think we can get a quality guy in rounds 3-5.
That being said, my choice is Leighton Vander Esch ILB Boise State.
I think he'd be just what the doctor ordered in terms of quarterbacking the defense for the next decade. I also think there's at least a decent chance he'll still be on the board at 22. So if the Bills hang on to that pick, I could see them selecting him.-
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4 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:
No they changed colors
Looks to me like they have both the white and dark helmet colors. Look at the video showing the helmet. The part where they show the white helmet? That's with their updated logo.
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7 minutes ago, slaphappy said:
I only hope they can identify a QB prospect better than past regimes. Not new info on here but in the last 17 years only 17 of the 50 1st round QB's went on to have a franchise changing career.. and that's if you throw in Chad Pennington. Two of the 33 busts where friggin Bills picks. 9 QB's taken later than round 1 had impact.. 0 of those were friggin Bills picks.
So to sum it up.. my biggest fear is these guys not knowing what an NFL QB looks like even if he visits them 4 times.
I have to say...this is a big fear of mine, as well.
I like Brandon Beane a lot, but there's a small part of me that really doesn't like the fact that he's not a dyed in the wool, hardcore football background, 10 years as a scout kind of guy. I know he worked his way up and paid his dues and yada yada yada, but actually knowing what a franchise QB looks like? How are Brandon Beane's player evaluation skills, really? I have full faith that he'll be excellent with the salary cap, free agency, contract negotiations, people management...all the non rookie talent acquisition parts of the job. But his expertise as a drafter remains to be seen, and I really hope it doesn't cost the Bills a franchise QB in exchange for the third 1st round QB bust of this millennium.
And then you have McDermott. Sure, he was around McNabb and Cam Newton, but had no hand in selecting or coaching either guy. He's a defensive mind through and through. Luckily, it's not his job to stock the cupboard with groceries. But you figure he's at least giving his input as to what items should be on the grocery list.
Here's hoping for both their sakes that they know what to look for.
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I mean...did you see how much better our roster was under Rex Ryan? How many games did we win those years? Do you see us getting 9+ wins with McCarron or Peterman at QB?