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How do you know Boldin even wanted to sign here? How do you know what he was asking for, money wise? We don't know that there are no other suitors for him, either. We don't even know if he passed his physical... All the reports I seen said that his first choice is to sign in Detroit still, and IIRC I believe I also seen something about if not that he wanted to play somewhere down south (FL I believe). I also believe I read something about how he was waiting until closer to training camp to sign, in order to be able to skip a lot of the offseason workouts and OTA's etc. (but I'm not sure on that). This could have just been one of those visits his agent set up in order to drum up interest for Boldin or put pressure on Detroit (or some other team they've had talks with). The signing could still happen yet anyway. All I'm saying is that we know absolutely nothing of the situation, or how the visit went or if he/they felt he was a fit etc etc etc. so to put this as a negative against Beane is a stretch IMO. Like I said in my other post, there's still plenty of time yet to add a WR before the season, and it clearly looks like that's something the Bills will try to do. I like that they're not willing to just throw money away though. It's not like we are 1 veteran WR away from being a contender. This is likely a transition year, as the new staff installs all the new schemes and figures out which players fit the new regime. Unused cap space rolls over, too. With some of the bloated contracts the Bills have, and their place in the standings, they're not in a position to just arbitrarily spend to the cap.

There's a long way to go before the season starts. Let's wait and see what happens, yeah? There's plenty of time to add to the WR corps. Who knows, we may still sign Boldin yet, too. It's not like we had a great passing game the last couple years, so drawing in any good FA wide receivers may not be the easiest task right now, until they prove that they will pass their receivers the ball more. Buffalo ran more than they passed, pretty sure they were the only team in the NFL to do so. That may contribute to WR's not putting Buffalo at the top of their list. I don't want them to overpay an aging player just to force a signing, either.

Seriously? What's there not to be impressed with yet? Because Maclin chose Flacco and a Baltimore team he felt was more competitive and just won a Super Bowl in 2012 over a Buffalo team that hasn't even seen the playoffs in almost 2 decades? (him not signing here had nothing to do with the GM, go read Maclin's comments in why he chose Baltimore). And because we didn't sign Boldin yet? Seems like some silly reasons not to be impressed with our GM... Look at the front office/personnel/scouting staff Beane put together. How can you not be impressed by that? Really, there's not even close to enough to judge Beane on one way or another yet. But from listening to him talk and looking at the staff he's assembled, I don't really understand how someone could not be impressed with him, unless they're just looking for reasons not to like him (IMO anyway).

I had no issue with that article. I think it was pretty accurate, and didn't seem overly negative to me (and I'm usually one that hates all the negative Buffalo media articles etc). If Whaley had stayed, and hired Lynn like the rumors said, I do think it was likely that Tyrod's time in Buffalo could have been done. IMO he did seem ready to move on, and that's what most of the leaks seemed to be saying too (whether they were accurate or not I don't know, sometimes they were and other times they weren't). I absolutely HATED that benching at the time. Tyrod was coming off his best game as a Bill, and I just felt that was not the way you treat your starting QB. Plus I hated that Whaley once again seemed to be pushing EJ Manuel into the starting role (against the coaching staff's wishes) and I was scared to death that if EJ had a good game Whaley would try and push him into the starting role for next season. I had very little faith left in Doug Whaley to find another starting QB as well, which added to my fears of losing Tyrod. It all worked out for the best though. We got a much higher draft pick, that was turned into an extra 1st plus what looks to be a very good starting CB and a good RT or WR (can't remember which trade we gave up the extra 3rd in). We kept Tyrod and we got him cheaper for this year (although if he breaks out and becomes our true starting QB of the present/future, it may look like a mistake changing that contract).

Unless they gave him some ridiculous money/term, which I don't see happening, I can't see any down side to signing him. I've wanted Boldin all offseason, so I'm really hoping it gets done. But even if it doesn't, it seems pretty clear that OBD is most likely going to make an addition to the WR corps between now and the start of the season. I'm sure there will be some good WR's available between now and then. It'd be nice to get a quality guy like Boldin in before training camp though.

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/8_things_we_learned_from_buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_before_training_camp.html#incart_river_index Didn't see this posted anywhere, figured I'd share. Beane's happy here 'When the Panthers fired Dave Gettleman, it seemed like Beane might be kicking himself. After all, he was next in line to take over as Carolina's general manager before he left for Buffalo. However, given the dysfunction in Carolina's front office, Beane feels at home in Buffalo, where he is comfortable with ownership and the stability he has. Plus, the Panthers and Jerry Richardson had a chance to hire him in 2012 when he was the interim general manager. "I still felt like, you know, there was a lot of momentum in the building for me to get it and a little bit in the city," Beane said. "But you know how it goes, you guys are in that business. A lot of writers are looking for big names. And I wasn't a big name. And I think there was a lot of pressure on (Richardson) to bring in a name other than somebody from the same regime that he just fired from. It was fun for that three months. It was also a little bit gut-wrenching to have it taken away at the same time." Also, here as a couple more good articles from NYUpstate. They're linked at the bottom of the article I shared above, but I figured I'd make it easier and post them here too. How Beane & McDermott plan to change the culture - http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/how_do_brandon_beane_sean_mcdermott_plan_to_change_buffalo_bills_culture.html How Beane and McDermott will communicate with the Pegulas? - http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/how_will_brandon_beane_and_sean_mcdermott_communicate_with_pegulas.html

I've wanted the Bills to bring him in all offseason. Glad it's happening. At one time he was among the elite WR's in the NFL. He's obviously not the player that he used to be, but he could definitely still comtribute to Buffalo's WR corps IMO, and could potentially be a good veteran mentor for our younger receivers/players. I don't see where it'd hurt the Bills locker room to have some more good veteran's in it. Wonder where he would slot in on the depth chart?

Wow. Seriously, how old are you? You have to be a pretty young kid. What, like 12, 13? Listen, for the 3rd time, nobody here cares about your I told you so's. Why do you think anyone gives a crap about it? You will most likely be banned again before you we even get to the end of this season anyway. And I have never once said that I think Tyrod is the answer at QB. Only that he is the best option for this season. So, the only way you end up being right is if Cardale earns the starting job and plays better than Tyrod. Or goes somewhere else and becomes a better NFL starting QB than Tyrod is. Until then, you are not right about anything. You think Cardale is a better option than Tyrod, so until he proves he is you can't say jack ****. Cardale never got benched by the Bills BTW, because he never even came close to earning the starting job in order to get benched. Tyrod's pay has nothing to do with him starting over Cardale. His play vs Cardale's play does. He was given that contract by Whaley anyway, so why would our new coach and GM feel obligated to start him? They didn't feel obligated to pick up Sammy's 5th year option or keep other players signed by Whaley. So why would it be different for Tyrod? Tyrod is starting because his play has been by far the best on the roster since McDermott got here. You just make it so easy for me, don't you... I really am done with this conversation now. It is absolutely pointless.

I have heard/read the same thing. Everyone has said that Tyrod has been far and away the best QB on the roster so far. I am really hoping with some development and arm strength improvement that Peterman can eventually make a push for the starting job, or at least be a very competent backup. He has a number of the (important) things you look for in a starting QB, IMO. But as of now, I think it looks like Tyrod #1, Yates #2 and Peterman #3 for this coming season. It is looking like Cardale will be the odd man out but that could all change with a good showing in camp.

Very informative response.

I had that same thought. Definitely interesting that his release comes very shortly after he made those comments. Could just be coincidence, or could be related.

Do you think Cardale Jones is a better QB than Tyrod and if so why hasn't he taken the starting job from Tyrod yet? Why is he moving down the depth chart instea of up it? That was the whole point of my statement. Noogie also implied that Cardale was better than the guys in front of him at Ohio St. which is why I brought up the benching.

Cardale played more than 3 games in college... Now I am honestly wondering if you even watched much of Cardale's college career if you think he only played 3 total games. As far as answering you now, I am not really 100% sure what you're even asking me. Maybe try writing it in a coherent sentence structure. But I'll give it a try - Were what guys in front of him better? JT Barrett and Braxton Miller at Ohio State? Yes, they were. That's why they were ahead of him on the depth chart. Look up their stats, watch some Ohio St games. They were better. Cardale only played those 3 games in 2014 because the guys in front of him got hurt, not because he legitimately won the starting job. Those guys in front of him were the ones that helped win a whole ton of games during the season to get Ohio St to the championship in the first place. Were they drafted to play QB? Well, Braxton Miller switched to WR in his last year in college (2015) because he had 2 shoulder surgeries and could no longer play QB anymore. JT Barrett is returning this year for his senior season of college football, so no has not entered the draft yet therefore he obviously couldn't have been drafted. But yes, he will be drafted to play QB in the 2018 draft. And what supplemental draft are you referring to? Braxton Miller was taken in the 3rd round of the regular 2016 draft. There were not even any players drafted in the 2016 supplemental draft... and again Barrett hasn't entered the draft yet. As far as where Tyrod and Peterman were drafted, one in the 6th and the other in the 5th. But so what? What's your point? It doesn't mean he is a better QB because of draft position. Doug Whaley once took EJ Manuel in the 1st round, and Tyrod was still better than him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Must mean that Cardale is better than him too, since he went in the 4th right? You're talking a whole 30-40 spot different in the draft between Cardale and Tyrod/Peterman. That's not at all significant when it comes to the later rounds. But Both Tyrod and Nate Peterman were better college QBs than Cardale. IMO Whaley reached on Cardale because all the other QBs he wanted were off the board and he had an extra comp pick, so he took a gamble on a raw QB to try and develop. So far from all accounts he hasn't shown much development.

Was he a 1-5 round pick? Lmao. What is the difference between the success rate of a QB drafted in the 4th-5th round and one drafted in the 6th round? Why draw some arbitrary line at the 5th round, when the success rate of a 5th round pick compared to a 6th round pick is no different? How silly. Cardale was drafted with a comp 4th round pick, which is technically the 5th round because they are given to teams after that current round is over. You have not shown at all that you know talent. You thought Jordan Mills played great last year. You think Cardale Jones is better than Tyrod (and that's only 2 of your many terrible football takes). That shows that you have no idea how to evaluate football. If you want someone to actually take your supposed football knowledge seriously, you have to first show that you actually possess some football knowledge. Until then you're just talking out your ass dude. Ok, I have a question for you - if Tyrod is as terrible a QB as you say he is, how come your boy Cardale has not been able to beat him out for the starting job? If Cardale is so much better, shouldn't he easily take the starting job from Tyrod? Cardale must be pretty terrible himself if he can't beat out the terrible Tyrod, no? Why did Cardale get benched in college if he's so great? Why was the starting job taken away from him? Tyrod never lost his starting job in college...

How can you call yourself a Bills fan when you are legitimately rooting for the Bills QB to fail, just so you can say "I told you so"? Bills fans root for their team to succeed, not fail. You think Cardale Jones gives the Bills a better shot to win this season than Tyrod, yet you're trying to school us? GTF outta here man. If the coaches and GM actually thought that Cardale gave the team a better chance to win, there is absolutely no way that he would have been dropped to 4th on the depth chart. He couldn't even hold onto the 3rd string position! Tell us again how great Jordan Mills was last season... lol

Oh man these Tyrod threads can be hilarious. There is really a "special" breed of poster(s) who stick to only posting in these TT threads...

Oh wow I totally forgot about that. Thanks.

Just watched this. Am I wrong, or were like half of those clips of Ronald Darby? Some were Gilmore (#24) but it looked like some were of Darby (#27), unless I just missed Gilmore in those clips?

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I knew Roman only coordinated the run game in SF, but I was under the impression he ran the entire offense here.

Thanks for sharing. Can't wait to see what this D line can do under Waufle. So excited for camp to start...

I'm assuming you mean Derek Carr, but since when does he not have any weapons? Amari Cooper and Crabtree are not big name weapons? Latavius Murray is not a weapon? Crabtree and Cooper were both over 1000yd receivers, and Murray has been over 1000yd rusher. Those 2 receivers are better than anything the Bills had last year, that's for sure. I'd take Shady over Murray though. Man, your football takes are terrible dude.

Eh, I think a lot of it comes down to winning. From what I remember, the Bills were a pretty marketable team back in the glory years of the '90's. They were actually one of those trendy teams that gathered bandwagon fans. You'd see people wearing Bills gear all around the country, and even the world. They'd have bills apparel in Hollywood movies and you'd even see celebrities wearing Bills gear. It would probably take an amazing run of winning/championship(s) to get anywhere near the marketability level of the top teams, especially after 17yrs of total irrelevance. But like you said, start winning games and get a star QB and we will get more TV coverage for sure.

I find it kind of ironic that you count Tyrod's 4 years sitting on the bench (where he threw a grand total of like 35 passes in that entire 4 years, and was learning a completely different system than the one he ended up starting in, in Buffalo), yet you make no mention of Jim Kelly's years as a starting QB in the USFL after college, before he ever started a game in the NFL. Kelley was drafted in '83, but never played a game for Buffalo until '86. He spent those years starting for the Houston Gamblers, where as Tyrod spent 4 years sitting on the bench. So which one was more prepared to start their NFL career? It's debatable. I don't know if Tyrod will get much better than he is now, but it's not impossible like you seem to think. He's only started in the NFL for TWO YEARS. Not 6. If this new system fits him better, it's very possible that he could take a step forward. But even if he doesn't, he is a serviceable starting QB until we draft and develop a true franchise caliber replacement, which is what you seem to be completely ignoring.... If we dump Tyrod, tell us, who do we replace him with right now that would be as good, let alone better? And don't say Cardale...

Very well said. Beane's hired an all star cast of talent evaluators to surround himself with. And for the record, he does have years of experience evaluating talent under Dave Gettleman. DG was training him in that area. We've had a scout running the team and it didn't end up working out all that well. I like that Beane is very well rounded in almost every aspect of running an NFL team and I think he seems to have a clear vision on how he wants to build this thing. There are entire teams of scouts and personnel directors for a reason. I'd rather have a collaborative vision and talent evaluation anyway. I actually kind of like that he's not a scout. If the Bills drafts are not up to par, he can fire some of our current talent evaluators and bring in someone else, where as if an ex scout GM doesn't end up being too great at drafting, we are stuck with his sub par drafts until he is fired.

Most of what you said is so far off that I am not even going to bother trying to address it. But, as for my excuses - tell me, what excuses did I make for Tyrod in my post? I did not see any. And as for you're "I told you so" comment - I am rooting for Tyrod because he is the Bills starting QB and I want the Bills to be successful. I could care less about your "I told you so". What are you, 12? Should we all say "I told you so" if/when Cardale ends up most likely getting cut (or is at best our 4th string QB), and is out of the NFL in a matter of a few years, while Tyrod will still be a starter or backup somewhere for many years to come? I won't bother though because it's childish, and nobody cares about some random poster on a message board who wants to act like they know everything... and I am also not rooting against Cardale because he is a Buffalo Bill, therefore I want him to succeed. I would never root against an active Buffalo Bills player because I am an actual Buffalo Bills fan. You are clearly not a true Blls fan. You'd rather have Tyrod fail so you can say "I told you so" than have him succeed and, in turn, have the Bills succeed. I didn't realize that you were BuffaloBud420 though, so I'm done now. It's pointless even trying to have a discussion with you.