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Former MVP and current lowest paid starting QB in the league. They're also missing 8 players who would have been on their 53 due to Covid. I'm not saying BB can win with anyone, either. I'm just arguing against the idea that Brady was the only reason for BB's success. I don't think either one of them would have had the same success without the other. Despite Brady's GOAT career, he was mostly a game manager for their first two Super Bowls and never won a Super Bowl when Belichick didn't have a top 5 (or better) defense on the other side of the ball. While I think BB's hubris surrounding Brady leaving definitely cost him his best shot at another ring this year, I really don't think he's sweating a down year right now or worrying about his legacy.

They went 10-6 the next year with Brady and the same roster. May have been more difficult opponents that year, but 11-5 in the NFL with a backup QB is an impressive feat regardless of the schedule. Are you suggesting that an easier schedule in 2008 is evidence that Belichick isn't a good coach without Brady?

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassel as a starter when Brady missed a year. He was the defensive coordinator for the Giants' historical upset win against the Bills in the Super Bowl. He had a successful coaching tenure with the Browns. His defenses are almost always top 5 in the league. He has 8 Super Bowl rings. No serious person is ever going to say that the Patriots' dominance was entirely due to Brady. This year, he's missing a league-high 8 of his players due to Covid opt outs, is coaching a new QB, and lost that QB for a game already. There is about zero pressure on him to prove anything this year.

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Even if that were true, why did Bojo spin it 1/4 turn the wrong way? I'm sure Ferguson is just being a good teammate. But the holder has to spin the ball on nearly every hold. Bojo went the wrong direction.

What are you talking about? A snapper can't determine where the laces end up. That's why the holder has to spin the ball. Bojo spun it the wrong direction. Chiefs 34 Bills 31

Umm excuse me he was past the LOS. I know we're not really calling penalties on Tennessee tonight, but let's at least make it look impartial.

I don't know, it would have been nice to have one tonight.

These referees are GARBAGE. Same ***** every week.

Well at least I have a bunch of Titans in fantasy.

Our last punt went from our own 10 to their 10. Our punter is not the issue today.

Aren't blitzes supposed to create QB pressure?

Here come the referees. Can we get one week without them completely screwing us?

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This isn't really a debate about the rules. The rules say that was a touchdown. This is a discussion about an official's misinterpretation of the rules.

I wonder that too. If an official's call on the field is so immutable that even clear video replay can't correct it, what's even the point?

So every toe tap catch in the end zone is actually an incomplete pass because they didn't complete the catch until they fell out of bounds? That's not how it works, but that's how they treated this play. The rules aren't as convoluted as people make them out to be; referees just screw them up sometimes. And sometimes, when a team is really lucky, they screw them up three weeks in a row.

If that were the case, then any catch made with two feet in the end zone where the player falls out of bounds would be ruled incomplete because the player lands out of bounds. As soon as there is possession with the ball in the end zone, it's a touchdown-- provided the player maintains control through the ground. If he had dropped the ball as he landed, they could call it incomplete. But he didn't. He had two feet, a knee, and the ball in the end zone at the time of possession. Anything that happens after that is meaningless as long as he maintains control.

You don't need to make a football move if you're already in the end zone. Otherwise toe tap catches in the end zone would always be incomplete.

What a throw and catch.

B-b-b-but what about forward progress?! Suck it, you atrocious zebras.

Other coaches can, clearly. We are getting screwed week after week in the most ridiculous ways.

Except in both cases they should win the challenge. Video clearly shows the call on the field is wrong.

Holy ***** that is awful. He had two feet down AND a knee down with control of the ball over the line.

Anything can happen in those 4 plays. When you have a clear touchdown, you challenge it.