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I don't even buy the "no receivers" argument. The Bucs have been playing with a rookie WR as their #1 and a new OC. And that rookie didn't even play most of the game this week. They still put up gobs of points every week. As an OC you can either scheme guys open or you can't. Ours needs to have JaMarr Chase and Justin Jefferson as his receivers to be successful.

Remember when we used to blow out bad teams with Daboll and even Dorsey? Can't say I love the philosophy of keeping the other team in the game on purpose.

He's probably not a fan of Brady's asinine play calling. But throwing a nonsensical interception and half-assing a wounded duck pass to a wide open receiver for no reason doesn't help the team either.

Lucky not to have given up 28 points in one half to a team that got shut out by the Carolina Panthers. This whole team, including Allen, is completely checked out right now.

Agreed. Josh had no business being on the field against the Dolphins and Saints in the 4th quarter but we showed up completely unprepared to play and needed the whole game to put away two terrible teams.

Yeah, and McGovern gets called for a hold on a textbook pancake block. That non-call PI on Keon where he's being dragged to the ground by his collar was another good one.

I don't know, I think I could fit it in there. 1. Refs 2. Refs 3. Game plan 4. Playcalling 5. Missing too many starters on defense 6. The Bills were feeling themselves too much in their pretty new jerseys and didn't take this game seriously enough. There were go, I didn't even need all 10!

I think everyone knew we weren't going 17-0 with how we've looked in the past 3 games. But losing to a division rival just because the NFL wants them to be relevant again is infuriating.

You mean the drive that ended when Josh evaded two defenders and put it right on Shakir's chest for a 1st down but Shakir was tackled before the ball got to him? That drive was going to end in a touchdown if the refs do their jobs on that play.

None of those penalties were legit and they put us in bad positions where turnovers happened. They know what they're doing.

Yep. I don't think we had a single legit penalty all night. Meanwhile Shakir is getting tackled before the ball gets to him and the officials basically hand the game to the Pats with no call.

They put up 23 points in a game where the officials were extending their drives and killing ours all night long for absolutely nothing. Great game from those two, but it wouldn't have been nearly enough without a ton of help.

The DPI where the Pats DB pushed Cook out of bounds?

That was a ref game. Didn't have our best game but still played much better than the Pats. Blatant PI on the throw to Shakir was the nail in the coffin from Hochuli's crew on a night where they were the stars of the show.

Wow look what happens when you stop doing the cute stuff and just let this offense cook.

Copy & paste for every game.

It's not McDermott. These aren't real penalties. Refs are also not calling the actual penalties the Patriots are committing.

That's what I thought, but either the rule was changed at some point or I was wrong the whole time. As far as I can tell, that's only a rule through college. In the NFL rules, you can't touch it even if you re-establish yourself in bounds. The part they messed up is that this only applies if you go out of bounds on your own or are legally forced out (like if the Ravens defender had just stood in the way and Keon went out of bounds while going around him). But he was clearly pushed out so it should have been illegal contact or at least voided the illegal touching penalty.

This post is exactly right. No player is allowed to touch the ball after going out of bounds. There's no such thing as "re-establishing" for a player who is the first to touch the ball (only applies to players who don't touch the ball). However, the rule was not applied correctly since he was illegally pushed out of bounds. If they're going to call illegal touching, they also have to call illegal contact as the reason he was out of bounds in the first place. But, if they actually called illegal contact then the illegal touching rule wouldn't apply since he was illegally forced out and the catch would have stood. So overall, a complete screw job from every angle of the rule. Pretty standard.

Every single game. Especially against good opponents. You could make an entire football field out of the length of short spots we get throughout a season. Or in one game against KC. What the rule really says is that if a player fakes a slide, the ball is spotted where he began to fake it. They also apply that to real slides, which is not what the rule says at all but they just make ***** up as it suits them.

Yep. Lamar did the same thing the kid did, and he's an adult professional athlete. And his teammates were the ones who instigated the situation. Ban both from all NFL stadiums 😁 No but really, all those Ravens players deserve fines and Lamar should probably get a one game suspension.

Exactly. They were provoking the fans purposely. That still doesn't give any fan the right to put hands on the players, but the Ravens players created this situation intentionally.

I guess that all depends how much he's influencing play calling. But three failed two point conversions and no challenge on an obvious first down don't look good either.

The players pulled this win out of the chasm that the coaches created. Allen especially but Oliver was the defensive player of the game. Keon and Palmer with amazingly clutch plays (I wonder if Keon would have gone down on his own if he hadn't gotten tripped up? Haha). And of course Shakir was just perfect all game.

"Glad we finally fired McDermott."