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Yeesh. That was a very winnable game. Poor play all around in key moments.

Have we returned a kickoff past the 20 all year? Our ST's are so bad.

Nice throw, but it was late. Even if Zay caught it there was no way he could have stayed in bounds.

Should not be attempting a 54 yard field goal with a hurt kicker. And Zay could have given us a huge boost by not dropping a piece of cake pass.

I think our RB's are fine. The line can't open any holes and there are defenders in the backfield immediately on every run play.

How many block in the back calls do we get? And they don't call that hit on Hauschka.

That is categorically false. Like a lot of posters here, they will give credit for good plays and criticism for bad ones. You only hear the criticism because you can't fathom that Allen isn't perfect. Also, oh my god are you delusional. Tyrod was probably criticized more than any fanbase has ever criticized a quarterback. I'd wager that a fair amount of people who put 100% of the blame on Clay for that last play also put 100% of the blame on Tyrod for the last play against Carolina last year.

Do you have any evidence of Hughes quitting on plays? That's a pretty outlandish claim considering how many QB pressures he gets.

When you see an offensive tackle get beat to the outside and extend his arm outside his shoulders to wrap up the defender, it's almost always called holding. It's rarely called when it's Hughes. If you watch for that kind of play, you'll see that he gets around the edge better than almost all pass rushers but he's always fighting that extended arm up in his shoulders / neck area.

He gets a ton of pressures. If he weren't held on every play, he'd have elite edge rusher numbers.

He was getting wide open. It's easier to come back for a ball than trying to go deeper. Allen would have hit him right in the chest most of the time. The ball came out of his hand wrong and Clay didn't make the play. They both took responsibility for that play after the game, which they should. Clay is definitely more at fault for not catching a catchable ball, but it wasn't the pass Allen wanted either.

Personal foul on Phillips, pass interference on Milano, several holding calls. It's more about the missed calls against Miami. If you're going to call soft penalties you need to throw the flag for mugging Zay, holding Hughes, and roughing Allen.

The idea of "earning calls" infuriates me. Every player on the field has earned the right to a fair game. Otherwise it's not a sport anymore. It's just theater.

If they used their eyes to make calls, they wouldn't make as many mistakes. The problem is that they look at a situation and try to use context clues to make a call. Receiver flops, must be pass interference. Defensive end throws his hands in the air, must be holding. Quarterback stays on the ground after getting hit, must be roughing the passer. When they're being subjective like that, their opinion of the team or player comes into play. Oh Brady got hit hard? Personal foul. Oh Allen got clotheslined? Not enough evidence. They should only be making calls if they actually see it happen. I would be totally fine with more missed calls if we got rid of all the ones that are subjective.

No they're not. They're saying what every reasonable person is saying. It should have been caught, but it could have also been a better pass.

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving. Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy.

Not voting for either. It was a bad pass, but it still should have been caught. Allen was under much more duress than Clay on that throw. Edit: "bad pass", location-wise. It was amazing he got it there at all.

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but I don't read all your posts. Like I said, all you told me was that Crossman was not responsible for that play. Perhaps he should have drilled that lesson home before it happened on the field. Perhaps he did and McKenzie still mucked it up. But I'm not arrogant enough to pretend to know what he's been coaching in practice. That's why I said "if" to begin with. You seem pretty confident in his coaching ability on this particular play, though. You must because very informed. Glad we have you here to let us know when a particular play is or isn't the coach's fault, despite having no evidence for it either way.

All you told me was that the special teams coach is not responsible for his players' communication and positioning on the field. Or maybe that was just pointless snark, in which case I don't know what you're arguing.

And yet they screwed it up. So either Crossman needs to get it in their heads better, or the players need to be replaced. But as I said, this point is dependent on factors we don't know. So, if you want to argue that Crossman is doing his job well, please address the other concerns I made in my post that can be backed up by results on the field.

Except he didn't get a penalty for waving to the crowd, so who cares? Players do that all the time on defense to make it loud. My point is that most of the penalties today (and all year, every year) can't be fixed by coaching because they are entirely on the officiating crew. Hughes gets a personal foul for congratulating his teammate, Gronk gets nothing for assaulting White with his weaponized elbow. How does coaching have ***** all to do with things like that? Edit: And yes, I used two extreme examples to illustrate the point, but there are a dozen less extreme examples of the same bias in every single game.

Of course a coach has to tell his returner how to clear out blockers, and tell those blockers how to avoid the returner. Maybe he did, and maybe that one was on McKenzie and whoever ran into him. That's why I said "if". It's the second part of my post that is the damning part of his performance and ultimately why he should be replaced.

Which ones do you consider inexcusable? The pass interference that wasn't? The unsportsmanlike conduct that wasn't? The illegal contact that wasn't? The holding that wasn't? The coaches and players are not responsible for bad officiating.

McKenzie didn't really muff it. His own guy ran into him. If their communication is lacking, that's on Crossman. This year has been filled with undisciplined penalties, guys out of position, lack of production on returns, and big gains given up in coverage.