Buffalo86

It's hard to believe because it was so mind-numbingly stupid. And yet...

Better late than never. This is the best thing to happen for our team in a long time.

OK, but you were agreeing with a guy who misstated my... ah, forget it.

I didn't say he was the worst; I just don't think he's good enough. I've given examples of why I feel that way. Why not discuss what's actually being said instead of exaggerating it?

Thanks! Did you disagree with any of the stuff I actually said?

IMO, these things were largely achieved in spite of Whaley. Most of the D was already there & Schwartz was Marrone's guy. And I doubt we would've had a top 10 offense if EJ was our starter, which is likely the way Whaley would have wanted it. If Whaley really didn't want Rex, I don't believe for a second that he voiced his opinion on it. Instead, he was comparing finding Rex to finding the person you're going to marry, and gushing over the fact that their vision of team building was so closely aligned that they could complete each other's sentences. A yes man GM is a terrible fit for rookie owners, who need someone to give it to them straight.

That's the least damning part of that story. Whaley tried to enter the following season with EJ, Lewis, and Tuel again, having already had a front row seat to watch them the year before. The next thing you know, Whaley and Marrone are being separated while Brandon repeatedly yells at the both of them to shut up Classic!

Whaley has been #1 or #2 in command for the past 7 years. IMO, he's been given more than enough time.

I'm just not concerned about it because I don't think there was any wrongdoing. Because it wasn't necessary. If that's the case, do you think we should avoid hiring (potentially) the right guy because it's bad optics? I don't.

No. I hope Whaley is being fired tomorrow. There was no need for cheating; McDermott knew who the Panthers were looking at. He probably just trusted their scouting more than Whaley's, which was smart.

That's just about the only logical explanation.

I hope this is true; Whaley should've been fired after the 2014 season. I look forward to the day when he's gone & we can all admit that he did more harm than good.

The Giants were supposedly desperate to trade up for Mahomes. We can only hope and assume that the supposed "gentlemen's agreement" between the Bills & Chiefs didn't prevent the Bills from hearing a better offer. Interesting that the Giants later went with Webb, who Mahomes previously ran out of Lubbock.

We haven't made the playoffs in 19 years, and yet these naysayers still manage to find things to complain about. Unbelievable!

I think Dawkins was a great pick. I don't expect RT to be a problem for us anymore.

Passing on Sammy's option is the right move. IMO, the only thing to be accomplished by picking it up is ensuring that he gets paid no matter what. If he produces in 2017, it's doubtful he'd actually play out the option year without the Bills giving him a long term deal for big money anyway. If he doesn't, they have the options of either negotiating a deal commensurate with his production, or letting him go. Worst case scenario = they have to pay a few million $ more to tag him. If you remove emotion from the equation, it's pretty clear.

Yeah! Very happy with this pick.

Interesting points. If the Chiefs' 2018 pick is valued as the #41 or #42 pick of 2017, the trade becomes a wash. My analysis missed that.

They both suck. Jim's on South Street or Dalessandro's.

I didn't make up any numbers; they all came from here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm If you're too lazy to look at it yourself, that's fine, but don't let it be a reason to attack others. A 3rd round pick this year would be equivalent to a 2nd round pick most other years? It doesn't feel like I'm the one who's making up numbers to maintain their narrative. In fact, my assumption that the Chiefs would have a worse season in 2017 was the opposite of that.

At the same time, 4 of the 6 trades last night lined up pretty closely with the chart. The 2 that didn't involved the Browns and our Bills. (*Based on the guesstimate that the Chiefs will have the 25th pick next year, and the somewhat accepted rule that a 1st round pick this year = a 2nd round pick next year.)

Depends on what we have to give up. I might be inclined to spend less on Dion Dawkins in the hopes that he's the answer to our RT woes.

But in that scenario, we'd be paying Mahomes' rookie salary instead of Taylor's $15mm/yr. The money (Gilmore + Mahomes vs Taylor + White) would basically be a wash.

The numbers are very clearly stated to be based on Jimmy Johnson's value chart: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm Feel free to give it a glance.

According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart: Bills give up: #10: 1300 pts Chiefs give up: #27: 680 pts #91: 136 pts Next year's 1st: 330 pts* (*Based on the guesstimate that the Chiefs will have the 25th pick next year, and the somewhat accepted rule that a 1st round pick this year = a 2nd round pick next year.) If you buy all of that, we gave up 1300 pts for 1146, a loss of 154. Per the chart, that's the equivalent of losing the #87 pick of the draft. In that sense, it looks like the Chiefs got the better end of the deal. But what of this value chart? Do other teams actually go by it? Here are the rest of tonight's deals, scored according to the value chart: 1. 49ers / Bears 49ers give up #2 (2600). Bears give up #3 (2200), 67 (255), 111 (72), and next year's 3rd (80*) - (2607). The 49ers win by a whopping 7 points. A very even trade according to the value chart. 2. Browns / Texans Browns give up #12 (1200). Texans give up #25 (720) and next year's 1st (330*) - (1050) Texans win by 150 points. By these metrics, they lost the #88 pick. Not a totally unexpected outcome when dealing with the Browns, and poor value according to the chart. 3. Seahawks / Falcons Seahawks give up #26 (700). Falcons give up #31 (600), #95 (120), and 249 (1) - (721). Seahawks win by 21 points. A very even trade according to the value chart. 4. Packers / Browns Packers give up #29 (640). Browns give up #33 (580) and #108 (79) - (659) Packers win this trade by 19 points. A very even trade according to the value chart. 5. Seahawks / 49ers Seahawks give up #31 (600). 49ers give up #34 (560), 111 (72) - (632). Seahawks win by 32 points, the equivalent of the #138 pick. Pretty even trade according to the value chart. Here are tonight's winners & losers according to Jimmy's value chart: Chiefs: +154 Texans: +150 Seahawks: +53 Packers: +19 Bears: -7 Falcons: -21 49ers: -25 Bills: -154 Browns: -169