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Duh, do you think that this is a surprise to Beane? Devin White looks like the next Ray Lewis. Think about it. IF we don't draft a LB, can I quote you on this comment at the end of the season?

Tight end is a fair blocker most of the time and a surprise receiver the rest of the time. That job can be done by committee and you can always substitute to get a mismatch on the play that YOU as the offense are going to call. If you want a better tight end, draft one each hear in the 4th round, OR look for good athletes playing some other position (OT, FB, QB, ruby).

We are in okay shape with our present roster. FA's have improved the overall talent level (saftey) and last year's draft and some lucky or canny draft picks have provided some quite good players as well. (Milano) The OPPORTUNITY in the draft is to add the STUDS, DIFFERENCE MAKERS AND IMPACT PLAYERS. We are not looking for incremental improvement in players, we are looking for IMPACT players. Sorry. Trading down to pick up an extra 3rd round is NOT what we should do. That is aiming at a perpetual 8-8 or 9-7 record. We want 11-5 to be a bad season. I think Beane gets this. At #9, or even moving up one or two spots, we should try for a guy who other teams will be thinking,,, " Oh, Shitz! how are we going to control this guy, so he doesn't wreck us?" If we can trade up again to the 1st and get two such guys, DO IT!. The extra lower draft picks are ammo for this OR Wild Shots at high ceiling, low floor guys (if they were high ceiling and high floor, they would be in the first round) OR "one trick ponies". By this I mean, players like an EDGE guy who can only rush the passer but is poor at stopping the run or setting the edge or a tight end who blocks like a water buffalo but only catches the occasional pass or another TE guy who is more of a big receiver.

A rookie is not a good safety net. A veteran RB or TE is better for that.

Uh, you don't have to draft hockenson in order to have the tight end block. Actually, a bigger blocking tight end or a retread offensive tackle would be better. Seems like they have already thought of that.

Another thing to think about is that "they" are claiming that there are a lot of superior defensive linemen who will be taken early. 7 DT and 5 DE (?) out of 32. Now for a question as to what the situation is. Are these guys "extra" over the usually draft supply of d-linemen or are there just the normal numbers BUT more of them are blue chippers? Let me explain what I am trying to say. Making up numbers for purpose of illustration: ROUND typical draft situation this year better More great players 2nd rounders move up some number of good players ======================================================================================= 1 A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A A A A A A A A A- A- A- A- A- A- A- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 A- A- B+ B+ B+ B+ B B B B B B B- B- B- B- B- B- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 B- B- B- C+ C+ C+ C+ C+ C+ C+ C+ C+ C C C C C C C C C --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So which situation is it this year? IF the world is in the second column this year, then we DON'T want to draft a D-line in the second round because we would be getting a weaker player. A stopgap veteran in trade or FA or roster drop might be a good plan. If the situation is the third column, then we would be okay in getting a d-lineman in the second round- it might even be a better player than you would get in the second round most years because of the run on the first round guys. There might be some steals. Any thoughts on it

Sanders DT

Can you give me a reference to understand "stacked outside leverage" that requires two MLB? I never heard of it and like to hear of and learn new things. I think that actually rather, White would play the stacked outside leverage guy and Edmounds would be the big safety guy. I'm guessing from Duddydarks posting.

$13,000,000 plus draft picks is a lot of coin.

It is not true that "all lot of points wins games". Scoring more points than the other team is how you win games.

The present Bills staff is not the prior Bills staff. (so any argument that starts with "the Bills always...."). Beane has shown that he gets impact players in the draft, which is cheap and not by paying premium prices for somebody elses castoffs.

Have you noticed the FA signings?

Yes, but there are real impact DT, LB and OT available in the first round, and there are some good TE's availble in the 2nd and 3rd. If you really are worried about getting torched by the few impact TE's in the league, then another way is for us to get good cover LB's.

You covered every possibility other than staying where we are at #9 because, however other people draft, we are going to get a good, impact player there. DT, OT or LB.

They got FA TE and WR. TE can be played by committee, which seems to be the plan.

We have to draft for highest ceiling players.

If we get White, it will be more important to figure out a way to use both, rather than sticking with the old plan. Don't build unnecessary walls around what approach we can take. When you get different weapons, you are allowed to change your approach. You do not get a fine from the NFL for playing defense with a different emphasis than last year. then fire him

Why would you not put Edmunds and White in the best positions for each one? Do the stars fall out of the sky and the oceans rise and submerge all the dry land?

Yep, I agree that he will probably not be available to use we if stay at #9. I posted, previously in this thread, the following: I would probably, SLIGHTLY take Oliver over White with our pick (55:45) if both were there (fat chance!!). If Oliver is taken early, also White would be taken early. Most likely this is going to happen. But strange shiess happens. Some fans and maybe organizations get starrey-eyed over EDGE RUSHERS and other saveours. He could drop to us. If that happens, run to the podium. No he was a OLB, get your stuff together.

You GET IT !!!! Get the STUDS and then good things happen. Get a lot of safe average players and you wind up 8-8, and maybe two games better in a good year. IT IS THAT SIMPLE !! Please have a discussion with the BPA club.

Well I think we just play 3 LB more and also have some very high quality depth. Maybe we can trade Milano for a veteran 3-technique DT or a future draft pick. ...well let not use our FA money on the offence either. Let's draft college guys, who know everything about a spread, stretch offense blocking, but NADA about nfl blocking. (sarcasm)

Heh? Cornelius Bennert was a waste at OLB? Do your really thinkg that an "enormous investment" in the following players would be a real STUPID waste? https://fortonsports.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/top-10-outside-linebackers-of-all-time/ Funny how we are hearing NOTHING from the posters who say "BPA" regardless of what your needs might be. Somehow having the best LB group in the NFL is lost on them. But they get their panties wet with the thought of having a surplus good player at position X, if he is the (whatever is) BPA. Ask the Rosen QB fans how that all worked out!

Well, I wonder if you think that "because Buffalo didn't play the base 4-3 last year that much (I haven't looked it up), they will HAVE TO DO THE SAME THIS NEXT YEAR". With different players? We add a couple of new great players, but have to cram them into a system that got us a bad record last year? We got a difference of opinion here ! Heh? I don't know what you mean. Not being snarky, but fill me in one what you mean by this.

I have made a good living and part of it was thinking "outside the box." What is wrong with the idea of going to a 3-4 defense as an alternative? We have a bunch of so-so DE/EDGE rushers. We could draft or cultivate some 3-4 EDGE guys and play 3 pass good LB & a safety/LB type and 2 safeties and 2 CB (that adds up to eleven) on those obvious passing plays at long yardage AND at 3rd and 8.

You seem to have missed the message that we would have 3 linebackers who are all good pass defenders. This seldom happens. Don't be rigid and give the Bills a chance to get ahead of the curve for a change. We would play less 2 LB because of the improved pass defense with our 3 guys. Who is "Zo"? Anyway. Who is saying that White would become an EDGE rusher in obvious passing downs? You seem to be very rigid in your thinking. Linebackers DO NOT rush the QB from the EDGE. There are a lot of one-trick ponies that do that better. They blitz inside the tackles. They do a delayed blitz after the D-line blocks are seen and the offense does not have enough o-linemen to cover BOTH sides of the center to pick the blitzing LB up. With White AND Edunds, we would have guys on either side and the offensive would have to guess which was coming. ( or on a delayed blitz, they would be caught with their pants down and 4 blocking 3 on one side and and 2 blocking 2 on the other- which is where the LB blitz should come from. (study some history in the Biscuit/Shane Conley age when the 4-3 started to start to understand this). .... As to "we already have a MLB". PLEASE. Read the descriptions of Edmunds and White- both could play either position. Neither is a 275 pound MLB who stuffs runs in the center. They have very similar profiles which is a good thing. Naw. I think all 3 downs Milano plays. By the way, what the hell do you mean about the "Pop Warner" crack? That is a stupid, snarky comment.