Billsfan1972

and plays 12 games? I've gone through the stats and targets for the year in other posts. We know people here note SW's drops (4) and I thought he had 15 by the comments. ODB had 2. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/ ODB Caught 70% of targets vs. 50.8% for SW. So as the title states, how many catches does ODB have on Buffalo? A fair assumption based on these stats is 45 at best and we'd wonder if we should've drafted an Offensive Lineman..... Yes these non-stop comparisons drive me batty!!!

Obsessing over the draft when we traded and got a gifted productive receiver???? Get a life..... Really makes no sense. Now if we traded up to get Eric Ebron (or someone else who did not perform) then maybe there is a debate. I really don't get it. Lets take it a step further amongst those who deride the Bills and really like 6-10 season. Detroit & Minnesota games were definitely won thanks to Watkins. The catch he made leading to the 58 yard fg by Carpenter was one of the greatest under-appreciated catches of the season. Damn 9-7, when we could have been 7-9 or 6-10 without SW and had the 9th pick, that sucks!!!!! While no one has actually posted the insider article I am am curious how they could come to that conclusion and whether they actually watched KO do very little to help SW during the season. Sorry a bird in the hand is worth more then two in the bush.....

I just too noted the spread was Tennessee -5..... There must have been quite a scene in Vegas too.

You mean completing 2 passes for 23 yards as part of a glorious 38 yard drive?!?!?! We should have milked the clock to no time (before kicking the FG), but with RJ's lack of pocket presence there was no way to trust him not getting sacked again......

I have to re-post what I wrote in another thread as I too noted the anniversary..... If anyone is a wrestling fan and know what is referred to as "the Montreal Screw Job" thïs well may have been the "Tennessee Screw Job"..... After Ryan Lindley & Andy Dalton's performances this weekend, they stack up closely to what Rob Johnson did vs. Tennessee that Saturday. Remember how dominant the Bills defense was that day? Stave McNair threw for 76 yards and won!!!!! That first half was as bad as any I remember and that was a game the Bills should have won 24-6 with only competent QBíng. Everytime I would hear the Coach (on WGR) or people here claim RJ left the field leading, I cringe...... http://www.pro-footb...00001080oti.htm The first from an offensive standpoint was a joke and the way the defense played the Bills should have been up 10, not trailing 12-0...... Just because I had to I revisited the play by play and RJ was sacked 4Xs, lost a fumble, sacked for a safety (fumbled but recovered) and Tennessee scored after the safety. RJ completed a 15 yard pass on 3rd & 21 and a 14 yard pass on 3rd & 17 to pad his statistics. When Flutie did not come out to start the third quarter, it was obvious that the decision to play RJ was Ralph Wilson's.

So what????? We gave up the 19th pick and have Watkins vs. let's pretend Ebron. This ODB love is all well and good, but with KO throwing the ball to him and him missing 4 games, we know for a fact that he would have been lucky to catch 50 passes and many here would be unhappy. So Ebron + 19th pick vs. SW or ODB (much worse #'s and injury prone) + 19th pick. Sorry I take SW!!!!!!

That first half may have been as bad as any I ever witnessed from an offensive standpoint...... Just because I had to I revisited the play by play and RJ was sacked 4Xs, lost a fumble, sacked for a safety (fumbled but recovered) and Tennessee scored after the it and completed a 15 yard pass on 3rd & 21 and a 14 yard pass on 3rd & 17 to pad his statistics. When Flutie did not come out to start the third quarter, it was obvious that the decision to play RJ was Ralph Wilson's.

Isn't this the 15th anniversary of the Music City Miracle? After Ryan Lindley & Andy Dalton's performances this weekend, they stack up closely to what Rob Johnson did vs. Tennessee that Saturday. Remember how dominant the Bills defense was that day? Stave McNair threw for 76 yards and won!!!!! That first half was as bad as any I remember and that was a game the Bills should have won 24-6 with only competent QBíng. Everytime I would hear the Coach (on WGR) or people here claim RJ left the field leading, I cringe...... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200001080oti.htm

Great and I only start caring after Labour Day!!!!

The point simply is that we got a great player, and actually had a winning season in spite of putrid offense and qb play. I'm excited that there should be improved O next year and that this will be a point of focus (at least hope so). Beckham on the Bills would have been derided for missing 4 games and have caught (if he did catch 70% of the balls thrown to him like he did in NY) 62 passes..... If KO as inaccurate to ODB as he was with Watkins that # would be 46 (51% completion rate) and Bills fans would be up in arms that he was chosen too high......

This Watkins back and forth for 9 months now I find ridiculous. There are so many hits and misses and so few sure things..... Yep get lucky in the draft or draft well and it will reap rewards, but I posted this elsewhere and don't understand how this actually was the impetus for Marrone leaving (not that I really care that he's gone)..... How terrible it is to be a Bills fan and get excited about a gifted offensive player as opposed to lamenting what we may have drafted at # 19 in 2015...... Maybe we should have kept the pick, drafted Ebron & gone 6-10 again? Would that make people here happy? Can we all agree that Watkins is a very good player and could be great? BTW First Round Buffalo picks..... Not too many All-Pros http://en.wikipedia....und_draft_picks

How terrible it is to be a Bills fan and get excited about a gifted offensive player as opposed to lamenting what we may have drafted at # 19 in 2015...... Maybe we should have kept the pick, drafted Ebron & gone 6-10 again? Would that make people here happy? Can we all agree that Watkins is a very good player and could be great? BTW First Round Buffalo picks..... Not too many All-Pros http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffalo_Bills_first-round_draft_picks

I look @ 50% completion rate and how while the targets each month ere the same the completion % decreased. This can all be blamed on Orton and the lousy play calling & routes. ODB caught 70% of passes thrown and became the focal point of the offense, while Sammy was just another receiver. People pointed to Sammy dropping some early in the season, but saw few later and almost no catchable balls downfield after a while. Either playing hurt or just incompetence by the OC.

And Marrone did a lousy job utilizing Watkins. Why too are people so obsessed with drafts when they are almost always hit or miss? Buffalo traded, got a stud and as a team your goal is to have as bad a draft position as possible the next year (i.e. go 13-3, not 3-13). If Marrone after a 9-7 season, where Watkins was responsible for two wins (vs. Minnesota & Detroit) is holding a grudge, that tells you more about the man.

And the automatic 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty ignored when Dez Bryant ran on the field without a helmet? Yes always contact and ticky-tack calls that are made or ignored, but this was flagrant, the call was made and another official (on the other side of the field) overruled it?

Visions of Rob Johnson vs.Indy 1999!!!!!! Ever wonder how that changed the course of Bills history???? Worst decision ever....... Please someone post about RJ's heroic 130 yard Playoff Game performance vs. Tennessee .....

You mean he wouldn't have caught those passes 10' over his head, behind him, thrown away and OB? And of course Orton would have looked at him 12.88X's/gm......

So Woods ranked 63rd in the league (Watkins 24), which is pretty pathetic. He had 104 targets or 1.5/game less then Watkins. In any case it is rather sad how bad it was. BTW I imagine Beckham was doubled too (and extra attention), but the effort was made to get him the ball.....

And clowney was a great draft pick (just having fun)? The issue is that the offensive game plan sucked all season. To be excited and cheer for a player is what you watch football for. Prior to this year and QB's not throwing for 300 yards was a recurring joke (and this year the 300 yard games were an anomaly). Using Watkins as a decoy & continually sending him on useless patterns seemed a waste. Watching Beckham run free and have the ball thrown in catchable spots was frustrating as a Bills fan. We'll see what 2015 brings......

Yep DB falls and an easy TD (seen him have many of those this year). So what else are you saying? Watkins hasn't jumped for a ball all season? Funny only game they seemed to send him out on great routes was week 2 with EJ as the QB..... http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014091400/2014/REG2/dolphins@bills#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000394742&tab=videos And let me remind about these two catches..... http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014100502/2014/REG5/bills@lions#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000405801&tab=videos http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014100502/2014/REG5/bills@lions#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000405416&tab=videos

Just it get's tough to watch after a while. You have a star to cheer for and see so little attempts go his direction. He ranked 24th in yards and with a real QB should have been in the top 10. Tough to watch as he was targeted 128 times and I swear the majority of those targets were lousy passes or Orton/EJ throwing it into the ground.

Yep when the ball is thrown to you in position to catch it and 5.5X/gm more it certainly looks that way..... I say it's because Orton is lousy at reads, throws uncatchable balls (or throwaways) and routes they send Watkins on have little or no separation. But keep on explaining how lousy the trade was......

When the last week of the season Beckham catches 12 passes for 185 yards on 21!!!!! targets? The last 9 weeks of the season he was targeted 116 times or 12.89 times/game and caught 81 passes. Now I don't watch every NYG games like I do Bills games, but on the highlights he's running open or has separation on pass plays designed to do just that. Yesterday Watkins had 5 targets (the two incompletions was one lousy pass that should have been an easy catch and the other OB). Last 9 weeks 30 catches on 67 targets (and probably 35 of them throwaways and uncatchable). Just design some plays and throw him the damn ball!!!!

Beckham made the catch of the decade (maybe best ever). He also runs open, has pass plays designed for him to catch balls and make easy catches. He has a good qb who looks to him and delivers the pass. Sammy has none of that. Outside one pass to goodwin, and the 89 yarder to watkins vs. the jets, I remember no long passes completed to a wr in stride.... Every week we see QB's hitting those passes and I see 1-2 passes where a receiver actually breaks open and Orton overthrows him..... I remember an earlier post about targets and the # of uncatchable and bad balls thrown to Watkins is criminal...... No panic and the bills have a receiver fans can get excited for if ever there is a passable qb!!!!

Throw the damn ball!!!