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In his weekly look at the film, Joe B suggests things point to Bass not getting the word on the kick-off, given the reaction of Johnson and Neal (I'm unable to include the photos):
1. The ’13 seconds’ meltdown and what the film shows
QuoteWe’re still less than a week since the debacle at the end of regulation, but because the team didn’t provide direct answers to what specifically went wrong, we’re left to dig for clues. Head coach Sean McDermott gave a hint in his season-ending news conference, but that was the extent of it. That’s where the film comes in, and given McDermott’s hint, the kickoff with 13 seconds remaining was the natural place to begin.
When kicker Tyler Bass booted the ball, the right side of the Bills’ kickoff coverage unit immediately began sprinting to their left. Given those first steps, it was clear the call was to direct the ball to the left side. From there, after the coverage unit realized the ball had traveled through the end zone, there were a couple of unusual reactions from core special teams players.
(NFL Game Pass)
The first was from safety Jaquan Johnson, who as the outer-most coverage player primarily hangs back a bit if the returner gets through the first line of defense. In the middle of his run, Johnson immediately put his arms out as if to signal confusion for why the kickoff went through the end zone. He wasn’t the only one.
(NFL Game Pass)
Cornerback Siran Neal, who has played almost every core-four special teams snap this season, had the same reaction as Johnson only a few steps later. Neal looked like he was trying to figure out what had happened.
(NFL Game Pass)
Then one second later, Johnson and Neal both had their arms out in confusion, with Johnson looking toward Bass and Neal looking toward the sideline. Given these reactions, this must be part of the “execution” McDermott was referring to on Tuesday.
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3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:
Your history lesson skips over a massive amount of context.This is what I was looking for as I scanned the thread. As I recall, several candidates bailed, and there weren't many options left. The position wasn't an attractive one either with Taylor as QB under a first-year coach. And, if you look at how the Daboll hire transpired, he was hired very quick after Dennison was let go. It was as if McD had it in place before he hired BD.
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Why would anyone want the Miami job? Stuck with Tua, stuck with bad ownership that just surprise fired the last coach, stuck with a GM that might not be around much longer, stuck in a division with Josh Allen and Bill Belichick. Even David Culley might turn that one down.
I don't think there was any way he was going to Miami. The guy grew up in WNY for god's sake, and was a Bills' fan. Giants all the way.
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7 hours ago, zevo said:
this thread hurts me so much...should be talking about an afc championship game...instead...the draft. 😞
And the first thread on comp picks just to rub it in. Ugh!
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Which is why I would think Rodgers would want to stay in the NFC, since it'll be a lot easier to get to another SB?
I guess we'll find out soon enough...
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The Chiefs have other more important needs to address as @Zerovoltz laid out in the thread on their cap space. I think Reid will probably draft a WR rather than use their limited cap $ on Smith.
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On 1/25/2022 at 8:13 PM, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:
The Bills have a defensive minded Head Coach and a former HC as DC. This should mean the Bills have an edge in developing defensive players and having an impact unit, even in the modern NFL. Through their time in Buffalo McDermott and Frazier have done a remarkable job with the secondary, but I think all fans would admit the front 7 (or 6 in our case) has been a weakness. Plenty of pressures but few sacks, terrible against the run. Pressures work against rookies/ backups/ marginal QBs, but the DL has to get home against the best and disrupt those QBs.
Leslie Frazier was a DB on the 1985 Chicago Bears Defense. He was a DB coach for Andy Reid for the 2000's era Eagles. He has had many other stops as DC and HC, but his specialty is and has been DBs. McDermott was a S in college and was a DB coach before becoming the DC in Philadelphia. It was a tough task trying to replace Jim Johnson and after two years as DC for the Eagles he was let go. Ron Rivera (another assistant Defensive coach for the 2000's Eagles) brought him in to be DC in Carolina. Frazier and McDermott have coached some great DBs. They have been a part of and have coached some of the best Defenses ever. Guys like Brian Dawkins and Josh Norman played for these coaches.
The Bills under this coaching duo have made the most of any DB talent they can get. Poyer was a minor bust for Cleveland, and Hyde was a man with potential but no position in GB. They have become a Pro-Bowl/ All Pro Safety duo in Buffalo. White's stickiness has been maximized in this system. UDFA Levi Wallace has become a solid #2 and will get paid this off-season. 7th round pick Dane Jackson held up well in White's absence. Taron Johnson went from a guy infamous for a football bouncing off his helmet during The Combine to being a top 5-10 nickel DB who has made game changing plays and is a starter. Even EJ Gaines looked solid here.
Let's admit it Bills fans, the defensive front 6/7 has been weak. It is worse considering the FA$ and premium draft picks spent there.
The strategy with picks and FA$ was sound, but the results are poor.
We can point to GM successes and failures and HC/DC successes and failures. Something is out of sync, and it needs to be fixed.
Let's hear it. There is a clear disconnect in investment and results.
While I agree the results may not be consistent with the investment, I would not call the defensive front weak and the results poor.
You don't end up as the #1 ranked team in ppg and yards ppg with "poor results" regardless of who you played. According to an ESPN pass rush metric, the Bills were tied for 5th (SF) in team win rate. In addition, Oliver was ranked 7th in win rate among DTs, so one can argue he is living up to his draft status now.
What I think you CAN make the case for is the investments in Butler and and Star were poor and somewhat poor respectively. We'll have a better idea on how the draft picks pan out next year, including Epenesa, who I would not declare a bust yet (the third year is typically the most important for many players).
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14 hours ago, JohnNord said:
I’ve been avoiding a lot of Bills coverage because the last thing I want to do is to relive the disappointment from Sunday. But I came across this quote from Brandon Beane:
We can smile today because we have Josh Allen.
This really connected with me. As bad as the loss feels in the moment, the larger view is Sunday cemented what many in this forum already believed - Josh Allen is an elite level quarterback. The sample size is there - he’s not a one-year wonder taking advantage of a weak schedule. There isn’t going to be a regression like Matthew Fairburn theorized last summer. He certainly isn’t a product of Brian Daboll.
Buffalo has a legitimate franchise QB who is arguably one of the 2 best in the NFL and could get even better. What happens when your team has an elite level QB? Everything falls into place. You contend every single season. There is no “window” when you have a top QB.
It seems like something changed with Josh in the playoffs this season just as it did during the start of the 2020 season. As the moment and competition got higher so did his level of play.
I think 2022 will be Josh Allen’s best year yet. I’ve never been one for overly optimistic takes but I’m pretty sure that this team is set up for success for no other reason than #17.
Go Bills
After the game I received several texts from friends around the country talking about what a great game it was and offering condolences for the loss. My response was "It's ok. Josh Allen will win a Super Bowl in the near future." They all agreed.
Not only can we smile, but we also need "shades," because the future is very bright...
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5 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Lots of starters on their roster are UFA's, especially on D. That extra 3rd round pick could come in handy for them.
As someone pointed out in the Beane presser thread, they have only 38 players under contract with that $22 mil in cap space, so their situation is even worse. By the time they get to 51 signed players for the cap, they'll probably only have about $10 mil left.
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5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Obviously you have to get it right… but suggesting it doesn’t work is false. Chiefs and Rams being prime examples. Hell the Rams have sacrificed their draft to be where they are right now…. Rather McBeane be a little risky and bring home a SB then consistently “stay the course” and consistently fail.
I think you misinterpreted what he said. All @Bob Chandler's Hands was pointing out, for 2022, KC has only 38 players under contract and the Bills have 53. The cap is based on the highest paid 51 players, so until KC signs another 13 players, you can't compare their projected cap space for 2022. I don't believe he was talking strategy of signing, only making a valid comparison.
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51 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:
I don't think Levi is going to come cheap.
I read an article about him on the Athletic and Levi views himself as one of the Best Off Ball corners since Tre went down.
Couple that with his Agent basically saying the Bills looked every which way to upgrade him the past two years, I think his agent and him have taken the mindset that you want to keep me, show me the money.
They let him test the market last year, and he came back. They will most likely let him see what he can get again, then decide if they should make him an offer.
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1 hour ago, Magox said:
Ridiculous - Leslie Frazier has had top 5 and top 10 defenses for 4 out of the last 5 years, without any real superstars. Yes, they got burnt by the Chiefs, but who hasn't? The Chiefs have a great offense and they are playing on all cylinders right now.
I think many of these teams that are looking for coaches would love to have a top 5 - top 10 defense. That's not to say that he should be a head coach, but he has been a very good defensive coordinators for the Bills. It's easy to say "fire him" which is ridiculous, to replace him with someone better that shares McD's philosophy would be difficult.
If you've paid attention to this organization in how they operate from the Pegulas, to Beane to McD they all preach continuity. This team most likely will look to hire from within to elevate to the position and hopefully the person they elevate will be someone who can add a wrinkle or two to the defense.
Eric Washington most likely, if anything changes.
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
He really looked like a different QB than he looked in last year's AFCCG.
IMO.
A big part of it was him accepting (sometime this year) that it's okay to take the check down--you don't need to make the big throw every time. Once he started doing that, he became nearly unstoppable. I said a few times that the only person who can stop Josh Allen is Josh Allen, and I think he's passed that guy now...
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39 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:
That's what Over the Cap projects based upon where they are selecting, last year's numbers and expected increase this year.
Yes, the total rookie pool is correct, but the salaries that determine the Bill's cap during the offseason include only the top 51. Only the top 2 draft picks will impact their cap by the time they sign them, and even then you drop 2 other salaries off the 51, so the net impact will probably be a little over $2 million.
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4 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:
I fully he was referring to the fact rosters always change from one season to the next. When it comes to the Bills they only have about $9 million in cap space band the following are going to Unrestricted Free Agents:
Jerry Hughes
Mario Addison
Vernon Butler
Emmanuel Sanders
Mitch Trubisky
Ike Boettger
Levi Wallace
Twain Jones
Efe Obada
Isaiah McKenzie
Matt Breida
Harrison Phillips
Justin Zimmer
Siran Neal
With only $9 million to spend they can't keep all of them - if the wanted to - plus they are going to need roughly $9.5 million for the rookie draft pool.
Oh and Ryan Bates is going to be a RFA. I don't see them giving him a 1st round tender but if they put a 2nd tender on him he's get a contract worth the greater of $3.384 million or 110% of prior-year base salary. Seeing he made $850,000 this past season that would mean he'd get the $3.384 million. They won't put an original round tender on him because he was a UDFA. If they put Right-of-first-refusal tender on him he'd be offered a 1 year contract worth $2.133 million and the Bills would have the ability to match any offer from a another team.
If they released Morse they would save $8.5 million and have $2.75 in dead cap money but them who moves to center? If they release Beasley they would save $6.1 million against the cap and have $1.5 in dead cap. If the let Klein go hey save nearly $5.2 million and have a 400k dead cap hit. Ford would save them 1.52 million and count as $870 in dead cap space. Matakevich would save them $2.5 million and cost a hit of 750K. Releasing Feliciano would save $3.4 million and leave a dead cap hit of $1.5 million
They are going to be changes. Players released. Some contracts reworked. All of the UFAs won't be back. The unit won't be the same.
The highlighted is not true. The cap is based on the top 51 salaries until the season starts, so the R1 pick and maybe R2 will count ($2.5 mil?).
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I'm with you. I know a lot of people are taking out their frustrations and want to blame someone, and that's understandable. However, take heart, because Josh Allen will eventually lead the Bills to a Super Bowl win.
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So happy that DikHead Vrabel lost on his decision to go for 2. Recall, he tried a "home run throwback" against the Bills in their game this year. Tells me all I need to know about him--DikHead.
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Buffalo's solution: "Fuhck it, we'll just throw deeper." Great line!
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This is shaping up as the kind of game where a STs play could determine the outcome.
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I wonder if he can cover Hill....?
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Yeah, I don't think I ever noticed this technique before and was wondering if it was new for him? I never thought he did a good job of faking it before, but now the way he hides it can be very deceptive. Glad you brought this up.
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6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Ha! Faster than lil’ dirty! That should make for some interesting ***** talk @ practices this week.
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2 hours ago, zow2 said:
Obviously last season the window opened up wide for us...and it continues this season. How often do you see one team ranked with the #1 overall defense, the #5 overall offense, awesome QB, talent everywhere, great coach with assistants being coveted around the league....etc.
My question (knowing there is no concrete answer), how long does the window stay wide open like this.. For the next 2-3 seasons? For the entirety of Josh Allen's career?
These are good times to be a Bills fan. Not sure what the braintrust has drawn up for KC this weekend but this seems like the perfect time to seize the moment. They got hot at the right time.
I've been thinking about this for awhile, and my initial thought was that we are currently in what I was going to call the "Hyde-Poyer" window, which would be this year, next, and maybe 2024. However, I think @MAJBobby has it right--it's that simple, Allen's career. He still hasn't hit his ceiling, though maybe we're seeing him get closer to it in this run?
Beane is doing a good job of bringing in young talent through the draft. The Bills will also be able to attract veterans who want a shot at a ring, which is why I'm in Major's camp now, as opposed to thinking they had to do a mini rebuild after H-P are gone.
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31 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
Take away a generational talent at the most important position on the field and the teams are closer 😂. Imagine us saying ‘take away Tom Brady and the pats aren’t that much better than us’ a couple years ago
Exactly the point, and if Phillips doesn't recognize that in the next few years, then he's delusional.
Dawson Knox - he improved greatly, but was it enough? 2022 is his contract year
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I'm not sure how easy it is to compare him to other TEs given he plays on a team with a WR corps of Diggs, Sanders, Beasely, McKenzie, and Davis?