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He's not "there yet" in his development... He was a massive project coming in, and people need to remember that. His flashes early have made people think he's more advanced in his maturation process than his is.... Smart development of this kid means limiting his mistakes and not asking too much. His potential is the next Aaron Rodgers but his downside is the next JP Losman.... He may or may not be great but you can't rush his "that game" emergence.... Because he's not ready until he's ready.... If he ever is. But if he gets there, holy hell can he be good.

Hurts being this right.... But I did tell you so... We're 1000x better on paper however we play like ***** cause the players expect to win... Funny how that works it's like the game was a trap or something....

My argument has never been 100% we lose... But the danger in not taking another NFL team seriously, and I was kicked out and scoffed at for saying it.... Maybe others will take note now, but I doubt it. They'll just pretend they were right... But tight now 100% the players came in thinking this was a cake walk

Welp another embarrassing game.... Ah the life of a bills fan....

Please tell me more about this 30-7 win....

You also can eat a Jaron... Not saying well lose but we definitely didn't come ready to go....

Hmmmmm sounds like I'm right ant you're wrong....

Eat a Jaron

I've said don't sleep on this.... And got laughed at and ridiculed on here....

Just gonna call out all the douchebags who said "trap games aren't a thing" ....

This thread has shown me 1 thing for certain.... People don't understand trade value in the NFL lol. "I'll give 2 meaningless picks and these under performing players for that future HOFer".... Smh

Fins suck, protect your guys for the long hard push in December, January, and February... Why risk em now? This is a SB defense, if the offense can get clicking they can make a push for a title game or more. Don't risk guys against a team TRYING to go 0-16 lol

The last 2 times the Bills were favored by 16.5+ was 1992 and 1991.... We lost both games. Last year against the Vikings we were 16.5 point underdogs and we won.Just saying it happens. That's why this is a trap game.

And you're telling me how it is like you're in the room to know what's being done and said and what the players are thinking but you have no more or a clue than I do... I mean God forbid on a discussion board people ... EEEEKKKKK discuss things ... I'll be sure to run all my thoughts by you first via PM before posting in the future since you're obviously the Czar of what is allowed or not allowed to be talked about.... What a jamoke...

This garbage is lowest common denominator posting, youre putting forward nothing of value to end a discussion because you don't like it. OF COURSE THEY'RE PRACTICING AND LOOKING AT FILM. Doesn't mean guys can't ride too high and think they're better than they are. Doesn't mean they can't be counting wins and take a game for granted. Your over simplification adds no value to a discussion hence why I gave an equally simple response. It does happen where good teams lose to inferior teams. Sometimes it's because the inferior team played great and other times it's because the good team screwed themselves thinking they were the #### of the walk but they go so busy reading their press clippings and Patti f themselves on the back for being 4-1 they lost. It does happen and pretending teams can't lose focus, especially after being on a bye and away from the team for a full week is just silly. Byes are great, gives the guys a chance to relax an heal up, but it also can be bad as it gives time to lose focus. It's the coaches job to get them back at it, but it's possible they don't...

Easy to say that but doesn't always play like that...

I don't agree with your definition, and that's your subjective way of looking at "trap games. It doesn't hold with others. According to an ESPN article from a few years ago "An appropriate assessment since, in the jargon, there are certain matchups that have come to be known as "trap" games. There is no set definition for precisely what constitutes a "trap" game. But here's a loose explanation: A game in which a playoff contender faces a losing team, but one that still has some motivation for playing hard, and possesses some matchup advantages." - http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1467816.html Urban Dictionary (written by fans) - trap game A trap game is a game played against an opponent generally deemed to be easy to defeat. As a result a person or team may not prepare as thoroughly as they would for a formidable opponent. Often this attitude and its attendant lack of preparation lead to a loss. "Seattle should be able to defeat Cleveland easily this Sunday, but they need to be careful that this does not become a trap game for them." - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=trap%2bgame&amp=true Another take from In Game Trap - "What is a Trap Game? A trap game is when a stronger opponent overlooks a weaker opponent and the weaker opponent overcomes adversity potentially winning the game. This especially happens when the stronger team is on their home turf with their fans behind their backs. They get too comfortable!" - https://ingametrap.com/what-is-a-trap-game Football Outsiders - "Giving this supposition as wide a berth as possible, we'll define a trap game as any game against a sub-.500 opponent slotted between two games against opponents who, on the season, posted records above .500." - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2010/pfp-2007-trap-games Soooo none of these are the exact same and none match yours, but all are entirely valid. As for it being "debunked" what's been done is a statistical analysis ... Football outsiders did one in the link I sent. And while the favorite team wins most, they don't win all and the point is it's a trap but you don't HAVE TO fall for it... This is a trap game

Lots of arrogance in this thread from fans, that's why these are called "trap games"... Hopefully the players and coaches are taking this game a lot more seriously than the fans.

Entirety of the rookie season with a minimum of 6 game started is what I was shooting for

I pulled the first 5 years passing statistics of the 30 Quarterbacks drafted since 2010 and put them in a spreadsheet for a statistical look of all the QBs taken there.So I am going to post some stats that I thought were important but I want to open it up to everyone, lemme know what stats you want, or if you want the spreadsheet I am more than willing to share it.YEAR 1I decided to make 6 starts or more their rookie season, it's just under half but enough to get a bit of a look at a QB. If you'd like me to alter the data another way I can... the guys who were weeded out because of insufficient starts: Daniel Jones (4), Tim Tebow (3), Paxton Lynch (2), Johnny Manziel (2), Patrick Mahomes (1), Dwayne Haskins (0), Jake Locker (0)What I am going to post is the top 10 at each of the following Category with Allen inserted in (If he's not in the top 10), and the Average of all QBs.Number of Games Started: Ranking Name GS 1 Andrew Luck 16 2 Carson Wentz 16 3 Sam Bradford 16 4 Ryan Tannehill 16 5 Cam Newton 16 6 Jameis Winston 16 7 Robert Griffin III 15 8 Brandon Weeden 15 9 Blaine Gabbert 14 10 Baker Mayfield 13 17 Josh Allen 11 GROUP AVERAGE 14.9 Win Percentage: Ranking Name GS Wins Losses Win% 1 Lamar Jackson 7 6 1 86% 2 Andrew Luck 16 11 5 69% 3 Robert Griffin III 15 9 6 60% 4 Teddy Bridgewater 12 6 6 50% 5 Deshaun Watson 6 3 3 50% 6 Baker Mayfield 13 6 7 46% 7 Josh Allen 11 5 6 45% 8 Carson Wentz 16 7 9 44% 9 Sam Bradford 16 7 9 44% 10 Ryan Tannehill 16 7 9 44% GROUP AVERAGE 12.4 4.9 7.4 39.5% Completion Percentage: (This one I left the whole list because I was surprised Luck was as low as he was) Ranking Name Cmp% 1 Robert Griffin III 65.6 2 Teddy Bridgewater 64.4 3 Kyler Murray 64.3 4 Baker Mayfield 63.8 5 Carson Wentz 62.4 6 Marcus Mariota 62.2 7 Deshaun Watson 61.8 8 Sam Bradford 60 9 Cam Newton 60 10 Mitchell Trubisky 59.4 11 Blake Bortles 58.9 12 EJ Manuel 58.8 13 Ryan Tannehill 58.3 14 Jameis Winston 58.3 15 Lamar Jackson 58.2 16 Sam Darnold 57.7 17 Brandon Weeden 57.4 18 Josh Rosen 55.2 19 Jared Goff 54.6 20 Christian Ponder 54.3 21 Andrew Luck 54.1 22 Josh Allen 52.8 23 Blaine Gabbert 50.8 GROUP AVERAGE 59% Yards: 1 Andrew Luck 4374 2 Cam Newton 4051 3 Jameis Winston 4042 4 Carson Wentz 3782 5 Baker Mayfield 3725 6 Sam Bradford 3512 7 Brandon Weeden 3385 8 Ryan Tannehill 3294 9 Robert Griffin III 3200 10 Teddy Bridgewater 2919 11 Blake Bortles 2908 12 Sam Darnold 2865 13 Marcus Mariota 2818 14 Josh Rosen 2278 15 Blaine Gabbert 2214 16 Mitchell Trubisky 2193 17 Josh Allen 2074 18 EJ Manuel 1972 19 Christian Ponder 1853 20 Deshaun Watson 1699 21 Kyler Murray 1664 22 Lamar Jackson 1201 23 Jared Goff 1089 Group Average 2744 Touch Downs: Ranking Name TD 1 Baker Mayfield 27 2 Andrew Luck 23 3 Jameis Winston 22 4 Cam Newton 21 5 Robert Griffin III 20 6 Marcus Mariota 19 7 Deshaun Watson 19 8 Sam Bradford 18 9 Sam Darnold 17 10 Carson Wentz 16 11 Teddy Bridgewater 14 12 Brandon Weeden 14 13 Christian Ponder 13 14 Ryan Tannehill 12 15 Blaine Gabbert 12 16 Blake Bortles 11 17 EJ Manuel 11 18 Josh Rosen 11 19 Josh Allen 10 20 Kyler Murray 7 21 Mitchell Trubisky 7 22 Lamar Jackson 6 23 Jared Goff 5 GROUP AVERAGE 14.5 Interceptions: Ranking Name Int 1 Andrew Luck 18 2 Cam Newton 17 3 Brandon Weeden 17 4 Blake Bortles 17 5 Jameis Winston 15 6 Sam Bradford 15 7 Sam Darnold 15 8 Carson Wentz 14 9 Baker Mayfield 14 10 Josh Rosen 14 11 Ryan Tannehill 13 12 Christian Ponder 13 13 Teddy Bridgewater 12 14 Josh Allen 12 15 Blaine Gabbert 11 16 Marcus Mariota 10 17 EJ Manuel 9 18 Deshaun Watson 8 19 Mitchell Trubisky 7 20 Jared Goff 7 21 Robert Griffin III 5 22 Kyler Murray 4 23 Lamar Jackson 3 Group Average 11.7 I will try and get year 2 done tonight, but definitely tomorrow.

Nothing in the OP resembles a scientific comparison to say why any of these QBs are good or bad, it's just a list of names with arbitrary commentary on them. Maybe take some time if you're going to claim a 10 year comparison, you get high and mighty telling us you're going to "Give a Lesson" then give us nothing... may you should and I don't know... COMPARE THESE GUYS! Pull the stats from their first years as starters, compare them to the stats from their second years as starters, then third? Show progression of which failed and which succeeded? This thread is the equivalent of a Nathan Peterman pass... it's an attempt that easily gets picked off and taken the other way due to bad execution.

Just throwing it out Daboll is an ex pats coach your logic is flawed

This is a trap game Bills better bring it Sunday 5 and 1 next week

Coming up on 60 or you already pass it? Either way, no 60 is not "the new 40"... 40 is 40, 60 is 60... No shame in age, wear it with pride.

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