The Frankish Reich

I get that. And yes, there's been overreach by a lot of the pro-vaccine types. I think there's plenty of room for debate when it comes to younger children for example. But ... I live in a state (Colorado) that is right now running AHEAD of mid-November 2020 in cases and hospitalizations. We're reaching the point again of having to move people to find ICU beds, etc., etc. And 83% of those hospitalized with COVID complications are unvaccinated. This is a state that is 63% fully vaccinated (a rate that is much higher among adults). The repercussions go way, way beyond the unvaccinated - they impact everyone. No, we are not going to shut the unvaccinated out and leave them to die. As annoyed as I get at unvaccinated adults sucking up our limited health resources, I'm not some kind of ogre - I don't want them shut off from health care. They made a bad choice, just like life-long smokers or the morbidly obese did. While vaccines may not eradicate COVID, they WILL allow us to avoid these kinds of episodes. We are moving toward more COVID restrictions because the unvaccinated are pushing us to another minor health crisis. That limits my freedoms, and it limits them because of stupid misinformation and collective bad decisionmaking of others. That's why I started this thread. That's why it's point - it's time to mandate vaccines - is even more important now.

"The Brownstone Institute." Hmm, sounds reputable ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker Guy who "encountered Austrian economics" at something called Howard Payne University.

If I mis-ascribed some of these thoughts to you, my apologies. Honestly, I don't keep track of individual posters. I'll just point out that we now have something of a divergence of arguments (if they deserve that lofty term) among the anti-mandate/anti-vaccine posters here: - the ones who've backed off the conspiratorial thinking. We have almost a year of experience with the major COVID vaccines, and it's obvious that the fears of some kind of awful wave of side effects just ain't happening. So they say things like "but it won't completely eradicate COVID, so the herd immunity argument in favor of a mandate is a bad one." Those are the arguments I'm taking on here. - the ones who are now starting, little by little, to let their wacko conspiratorial ideas leak out. You know who you are. The use of the term "Big Pharma" is a giveaway. So too is some bizarro Digital Control thing that seems to be a repackaged Bill Gates Micro-Chipped My Ass thing.

Do you think we'll see Josh Rosen? Good Josh vs. Bad Josh.

Nathan Peterman's competition!

Well, we have the Jets, Dolphins, Texans, WFT among our wins, with only the signature defeat of the Chiefs so far to set us apart ... oh, and a loss to the jags.

OK, even down 19 with 2 minutes left, that's a bad interception.

Josh Rosen time! So glad I stuck it out.

Jim Kelly says hi

There's nothing "mediocre" about Ryan's career. 14 years, 58,000 passing yards, 362 TD passes ... he may not make the HOF (that SB loss is a killer), but there's lesser QBs already inducted.

You guys may be right, although a really smart/disciplined QB with a really subpar arm can still succeed in a good offensive system. The aforementioned Pennington, the post-injury Montana, Drew Brees his last couple years. The good thing is there seems to be a ceiling - good enough to make the playoffs, never good enough to make it to the SB.

Good lord. Falcons can't make anything happen.

Interception! You know what, I changed my mind. I said Leslie Frazier won't let Mac Jones have all those dinks and dunks. I was wrong. I think he will! We have the playmakers on defense to eventually capitalize on a tip or bad pass, and our offense isn't going to be utterly incompetent like the Falcons. This IS the way to beat the Pats.

Right. Ryan's best year was the one after the SB. He's been decent on bad teams since then, but he no longer has the ability to carry a weak team/offense.

They never recovered after losing Patrick DiMarco.

I think Atlanta (me too!) kind of got fooled by this idea that modern day QBs can play at a high level into their late 30s or beyond. Brady, Brees, Rivers, to a lesser extent Ben ... Ryan is kind of a Hall of the Very Good guy in his career, but some guys still fit the old aging pattern of earlier eras.

They probably had a chance to deal Ryan, but they waited too long. Branch Rickey: it's always better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late.

Efficient, disciplined, almost mistake free, boring. Congratulations, Bill.

Weren't we just saying Allen should take what the D gives him? And before that Mahomes should just be happy to take what the D gives him without forcing it? Discipline is good. But I doubt Leslie Frazier will just give those dinks and dumps away.

Nightshades

Would it kill the Falcons to dare him to thrown deep, cutting off all those short routes?

Right. The good thing is I don't see the quality of skill players there yet. Agholar, Harry - talented, but so far inconsistent in their careers. If they find a Gronk or a Welker or an Edelman hiding somewhere I'm officially scared.

I hate that I have to agree with you.

That's ... kind of true.

Illegal formation on a kick? That's first. Are we back to the days of the Pats getting every weird ass call in their favor?