D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

Where are all the gloaters about trusting the process and McBeane?

For argument sake lets say over 27 is on the back nine of an NFL career. Maybe you're good for a year or two, maybe you start getting hurt all the time from the wear an tear. Anyway, who fits that on the Bills? Incognito, Wood, McCoy, Clay, Glenn, Taylor, Kyle, Hughes, Lorax ...our better players old role players? Humber, Ducasse, Colt Anderson, Yates, Tate, Tolbert, Banyard, TJones, Holmes, Ryan Davis, Wright, DiMarco Who are the young getting to prime guys? O'Leary, Mills, Groy, Yarborough, Hodges, Gaines, LJohnson, Philley And of course the good players in their prime for at least a few more years. Marcell and who knows with him, Preston, Matthews, Poyer, Hyde, Pretty mediocre group if you ask me! And then the rookies or unprovens Tre White, Z Jones, Shaq Lots of work to be done and moves like Eric Wood for leadership, culture and trading Sammy, releasing Reilly, Shorts. Trading Ragland and Seymour because they aren't our guys are hard to understand. The strategy is hard to explain. I have been an optimist with the team for the last several years. Choosing to support the new regime and the hope of change and new success. Give them a chance. I am willing to eat some crow that I was wrong on this. I am going to need to see some logic and real success, before that I am skeptical of what I've seen so far. The Sammy move when we could have franchised him and the Wood extension really got me going in that direction. Releasing the younger impressive receivers to keep old role players clinched it for me. We don't value young talent as much culture, scheme, and our guys.

The Wood extension last week blows my mind. Keeping guys like Taiwan, Colt Anderson ,Tate and trading for the guy from Carolina yesterday. Sounds like we value having veteran depth on our special teams over actual talent. Then they trade away, waive talented athletes to keep these kinds of role guys. These role guys will be gone by the time we're good. Talent is way more important when it is young. It can improve and get better, and may still be here when you're good. I'm thinking these guys are so focused on culture, schemes, roles, doing it our way that they are undervaluing talent. This regime has a long !@#$ing way to go to prove something.

Are you !@#$ing kidding me or just trying to get a rise out of people. The people on this board who I respect have all said he is an average good player, PFF says the same. And, you say he sucks and Vlad can at least move. Wow!!!

What is it Belichick say he looks for in a receiver? #1 Gets open #2 Catches the Ball. Ummm........who does that sound like I ask? It sure as hell ain't Andre Holmes!

I guess we have the answer to the strategy of the new regime. This is a veteran laden roster. Players listed by position in alphabetical order Quarterback (3)Nathan Peterman Tyrod Taylor T.J. Yates Running Back and Fullback (6)Joe Banyard Patrick DiMarco Taiwan Jones LeSean McCoy Mike Tolbert Jonathan Williams Wide Receiver (6)Corey Brown Kaelin Clay Andre Holmes Zay Jones Jordan Matthews Brandon Tate Tight End (3)Charles Clay Nick O’Leary Logan Thomas Offensive Line (8)Dion Dawkins Vladimir Ducasse Cordy Glenn Ryan Groy Richie Incognito John Miller Jordan Mills Eric Wood Defensive Tackle (5)Deandre Coleman Marcell Dareus Adolphus Washington Kyle Williams Jerel Worthy Defensive End (4)Ryan Davis Jerry Hughes Shaq Lawson Eddie Yarbrough Linebacker (6)Lorenzo Alexander Preston Brown Gerald Hodges Ramon Humber Matt Milano Tanner Vallejo Cornerback (5)E.J. Gaines Leonard Johnson Greg Mabin Tre’Davious White Shareece Wright Safety (4)Colt Anderson Trae Elston Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Specialist (3)Reid Ferguson Stephen Hauschka Colton Schmidt Update (4:40 PM): The Bills have acquired WR Kaelin Clay from the Carolina Panthers in exchange for CB Kevon Seymour More From Buffalo Rumblings

Gone: Watkins/Darby/Ragland/Jones/Seymour/ '18: RD6 Added: Matthews/Gaines/Clay '18: RD2, RD3, RD7 '19: R4, RD7 Is this progress?

Not worth the roster spot Mrs. Tate!

Tate sucks and he is at best a mediocre return guy. Cutting Reilly and picking up Clay is a !@#$ing joke! These guys are starting to really scare me.

Dumb move there are others who should have been waived before Reilly. Stupid.

Dumb move! There are others who should have been cut before him.

Thank you! People are acting like we are loaded at QB. All the one guy said was at a min contract as a number 3. He is way better than Matt Barkley.

I concur. We need another QB on this roster.

Saturday

Then just ignore me instead of being the overstated police. You are also wrong we have made scheme change after scheme change in recent years which is my point.

Darby and Gilmore are both man cover guys. This staff wants zone cover guys who want to tackle (generally cheaper). You're fooling yourself if you think Ragland being a 3-4 Inside backer and not a 4-3 guy like he was drafted for had nothing to do with the trade. McDermott even said Reggie is a good player and that he will be at some point. You can also argue that Watkins was traded because this staff places a lower value on receivers in this offense. Enough...not sure why you're going this way.

I agree and I doubt they can get a 3rd for him. Obviously, every time we have changed coaching staffs we go from 4-3 to 3-4 to 4-3 and the recent trades of Darby and Ragland are examples. Gilmore may even have been an example. Miller could be next...Shaq? Happens all over the NFL...it is a coach's game...they don't adjust to the players as much as they should IMO.

If Vlad only allows a couple sacks tonight he's the man! He will tie down the starting nod with a quality performance like that. He moved into the lead when we scored with him at RG last game. Seriously this is all about scheme, size, technique and dirty pictures!

I don't disagree with you on any of this. I am beyond pissed at all the scheme changes and good players deemed unable to play in them. My point is these guys wouldn't have signed him, played him and moved him to first team if they didn't like him. They flat out have worn DuCasse on their sleeves since the beginning. BTW, DuCasse was in when we scored last week...I know, I know...these guys are looking for a reason to play him. Maybe Miller is traded not cut.

I can't disagree with you. I'm just going by what I'm feeling coming out of Bills camp.

I'll go with John Miller, Vald DuCasse and Andre Holmes

You can make that argument!

Exactly right!

I like it because the dude was so dominate and his teammates obviously think he was deserving.

I'd add DE to the list as well.