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Nope.....bad idea. He just showed up and is already looking like he has the potential to be CB1 sooner rather than later. I am good with focusing his attention there. That said, I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it. But, that's on Beane to actually find a truly explosive WR that can strike fear into defenses. We don't have anything remotely close to that, but Hairston isn't going to be that guy. However, I am not opposed to having 1 or 2 plays in the playbook on offense for him in a break glass in case of emergency got to have it situation. Something that wouldn't be on tape that no team has seen before. He is super explosive and if you can design a couple of crazy plays to get him the ball in space that the other team can't game plan for, I am open to that. But no.....not a few plays every week in place of Coleman. I am talking 4th and 2 to ice the AFC Championship or Super Bowl or something where the defense sees him come on the field and has no clue what he is going to do.

On the surface, I agree. I do think he could play the Hoecht role. However, he is having the best year of his career so far this season playing DE. We still need depth there because Bosa is already playing too many snaps as it is. You play AJ in a different role, you are taking some very much DE depth away. So yeah, I agree in theory, but what we need is someone who is on the team that hasn't been able to carve out a role yet show the ability to do as much as Hoecht was doing as possible.

Alright.....the deadline has come and gone and we were left out in the cold. So, we have to make due with what we have in the building. A couple of quick thoughts (even though I don't love them myself): WR - We desperately needed a WR1. We got nothing. So, what do we have to hope for? Whelp, we have to hope Palmer is back sooner rather than later. And, as much as it pains me to say it because I don't have any expectations at all for the player, we have to hope Gabe Davis can come in here and do something positive. That said, the bar is SUPER low. Can he offer more the Coleman? If he can't, you may as well release him now. Gabe, even at his best, was basically a slightly better version than Coleman. Not super fast, but faster than Coleman. Had trouble getting open (except against the Chiefs for whatever reason) against man coverage, but Coleman can't do it all either. So, I guess if it gets Coleman off the field, step right up, Gabe...... Ugh..... It's disgusting to even think that our major upgrade at WR this year is praying that Gabe Davis, who was cut by the Jags after 1 season because he was so bad, came in hurt and was finally elevated to the PRACTICE SQUAD last week, is what we are counting on. But here we are........ DL - We've lost Oliver and Hoecht for the year and what do we do? Nothing.....we bring in guys off the street to try out for the practice squad. An awful plan. Now, we do have Sanders coming back hopefully in a couple weeks. He's a 2nd round pick that did show flashes here and there before he went down, but was super inconsistent. So, we have to again hope and pray that this young guy comes back 100% physically and hope that the mental reps and time in the playbook while he was hurt help his production on the field. I still have hopes for him because I like the skill set, but he will need to figure it out a lot quicker than he did when he was in the lineup earlier this year. That brings me the the Hoecht injury. UGH....no other word but devastating. That guy showed up and made the single biggest impact we have had on our defensive line in a very long time. How do you replace that? Solomon? Shows flashes of a great speed rush at times, but is undersized and gets eaten up quick. HOWEVER, and here is where my curiosity comes in. Hoecht in the short time he was here seemed to make the most impact rushing as a stand up LB right up the middle of the defense. He was helping collapse the pocket and freed up Groot and Bosa to to their thing on the outside and immediately they started playing better. Earlier in the year when Solomon was playing, they used him like a traditional edge rusher coming from the outside and he was getting devoured by bigger, athletic tackles. What I am going to try and do to replace Hoecht, is actually try and use whoever it is the same way we were using Hoecht. Standing up, working the middle of the offensive line against the Guards and Center. He has a rep or 2 in there Sunday and actually had a couple nice rushes. He abused a G on one rep that I can remember. So, are they going to continue to use him like that or was that just because of the game plan they had in? Hopefully they stick with it. Now, if they are truly looking for someone to fill the Hoecht role and rush up the middle on passing downs, I am thinking this might be a chance for Landon Jackson to find a roll. I looked it up. Hoecht is 6'4" and around 270lbs. Landon Jackson? 6'6" and 264lbs. So, very similar in size. Obviously, they see him in practice and we don't. But the couple of times we saw him in game action, he lined up as a traditional DE and that was really it. What if, and it's a big what if, you tried him as a rush LB just like Hoecht was being used. The one thing Jackson has is strength and a non stop motor. He also uses his hands well. What he doesn't appear to have is elite flexibility and bend. So, why not line him up over a G and just turn him loose? Tell him to just bull rush guys and try and collapse to pocket like Hoecht was doing. This may mask his weaknesses and play to his strengths. I don't know. I am just searching for ideas that are on the roster after we busted at the trade deadline and this is one thought I had. Who knows.....maybe they have already tried this in practice and he stinks at it and the dude is just going to be a bust. Anyway, today stunk for a lot of reasons. We just have to hope we can find some of the answers and get even a little better with the guys we have on the roster that haven't contributed much yet. Gotta get the most out of them.

Just looked it up because I was curious...... Our WRs, outside of Shakir, have totaled 723 yards. There are currently 3 WRs in the NFL that have more than that total all by themselves and several more within striking distance of passing us as a team. If that's not bad enough, even if you add in Shakir's yardage, the total is only 1122 yards. For reference, JSN out in Seattle is only 174 yards BEHIND OUR ENTIRE WR CORPS ADDED TOGETHER for the season. And Chase isn't that far behind him. That's how bad our WR production is this year. If it weren't for Kincaid, we would be absolutely nowhere in the passing game. Our WRs just ain't it and until Beane realizes that even Superman needs some help once in a while, we will be fighting an uphill battle that we shouldn't have to throw on Allen's back every single freaking year.

We're officially the new Packers (when they had Rodgers in his prime)...... All world QB with the GM refusing to surround him with any super talented WRs and leaving the entire offense up to him. The only difference is the Packers have won Super Bowls.....we haven't. We are a Kincaid injury away from virtually no receiving production......

Bills about to roll out Coleman, Shakir, Deebo, Samuel, and Kincaid and run the first ever 5-Tuple Bubble Screen offense.........

We need to be able to throw WR screens to both sides on the same play.....

Time keeps ticking away and I am preparing more and more for another "This isn't fantasy football" quote from Beane while there have been several huge names already traded today in fantasy football like moves.

With all these 1st round and high picks they are getting for their players today, it's hard to believe all that outgoing talent has them as bottom feeders in the league before all these trades.

Not true at all. There are several players out there that we can bring in with the cap situation the way it is. Shaheed was one of them. Olave and BTJ are others. Phillips was another before he was traded to the Eagles. There are absolutely some top tier players out there that can be brought in with the cap space we currently have. Sure, we will have to get creative to re-sign them if that is something we wanted to do, but just getting some quality players in here is not difficult with the cap we have. And, on top of that, there are still some levers that can be pulled if we want to create more space for a bigger move. Player salary and cap are 2 different things. We have to be able to absorb whatever the remaining cap hit is for this season....that's all. And, on top of any restructures or extensions we could do, you can always ship a player out, depending on that contract structure, to offset the incoming cap hit. There are ways... This is about Beane and the compensation he is willing to part with. That's it. There is cap space if needed to make a move he wants to make.

I mean......what's another 1st for the Jets? Go get Wilson! Might be a bit of an overpay, but where we are hoping to pick, are we really going to get a better player than Garrett Wilson? On a side note, glad we don't have to deal with Q anymore. Dude's a beast and would have been a nice addition here. But whatever..... I just have a terrible feeling that we aren't going to do anything of consequence. Beane loves his draft picks and the bigger moves today have been costly. He wants no part of that action. As for Deebo? Come on.....he doesn't do anything for this team. The only dude Coleman might be able to sort of keep up with at this point. A gadget/slot guy does nothing for this team and if that's you're move......just shows you're really not that serious about winning.

Yeah.....if we do indeed come away with nothing at WR today, this will be pretty unforgivable by Beane not to beat this offer. He's not a star, but he offers a lot of things we don't have on offense and could have been our kick and punt returner too all for a couple of mid round picks. Big letdown if we don't have our own WR move in the pipeline.

Just getting caught up here..... Sauce to the Colts? Didn't see that one coming. Glad he is out of the East, but I have to say, he was never a guy I really feared. Good player, but got away with a ton of holding calls. Colts are really feeling themselves right now. They truly believe they have something. Maybe they do. Who knows. But overall, this is a win for the Jets long term in my opinion. So, what does this mean for the Jets? Are they just tearing it down? Do they trade Hall as rumored too? Is Wilson suddenly available? Because if he is, I want all in on that. What about Williams? Let's go get Q and Wilson!!!!! HA! Shaheed heads out West and Meyers was traded earlier. Not that Meyers ever moved the needle for me, but the options at WR may be drying up. The later this goes, the more negative I feel about Beane doing anything of consequence. Frustrating watching all these other contending teams going for it and us not being on the board yet. Trying to be patient, but man......this is tough watching everything else go down.

I think there is a 95% chance that both McGovern and Edwards won't both be back. I do think there is a somewhat decent chance 1 of them is. McGovern has already confirmed that there were some talks before the season but nothing got done and it was put on the back burner. But, because of these talks, at least the Bills know what his ask is and what a potential contract could look like. So, I do think McGovern might be the slight favorite over Edwards to get re-signed, but it is possible that neither of them do. Unfortunately, we can't pay everyone. Bosa is interesting because I think even though he's been healthy to this point, you always know in the back of your mind what the history is and he is 30 now. How many years are you willing to go? Can you get him to sign an incentive-laden deal? He has said on multiple occasions now how much he loves it here and how happy he is to play here. How much money is he going to ask for? That's an interesting situation. AJ is the guy so many have wanted out of here for a while now. He's having his best season of his career. But what AJ do you get going forward if you do pay him? How much is a guy with really only this season of consistent production actually worth. This is a contract you could get burned on if you are not careful. I don't know. It all depends on what Beane is looking at and has the option to do. I am willing to bet there are offers on the table that some of us would absolutely jump at whereas he won't. This is where not having access to these conversations and offers is really frustrating as fans.

There aren't a ton more things we can do to create space, but there are some. Extending McGovern, Bosa, Epenesa or Edwards could create more room so there are some things, but how crazy do you really want to get? McGovern is a good C and I would be more than happy to extend him. Bosa is an interesting one because of his age and injury history. And with the way his contract is structured, he has a much bigger cap hit in the years to come in the void years of the contract. AJ has been better this year, but how much is he worth in a long term contract? And Edwards is a solid G, but you can't pay everyone on the line. There are things you could do with DaQuan Jones, Milano, and Knox as well, but I am not sure you want to tie yourself to these guys any longer than you have to but there are options with those guys too if you are really feeling frisky. So, while there are a few things we can do to create more space if we want it, the question is what are the soundest and most team friendly moves to make? Regardless, I see a lot of posts saying we can't go big game hunting because of cap space. Well......that's sort of true and sort of not. If there was a HUGE move out there that Beane is dying to make, he can.....but it might involve doing things with contracts for certain guys that we man not exactly want to do those things with. But the option is there if he wants it.

Screw all the freaking picks..... Go get Olave, Waddle, and BTJ and swing for the fences this year! Whatever happens, happens. We lose our whole draft, so what! Figure out who to sign and who to part with after the season. HA!!!! But seriously.....If any of these 3 are available, I think you have to do what it takes to get at least one of them here. It is so hard to find big time WRs in the draft because it is such a crap shoot. Get one and then try and find another WR1 or WR2 in the draft next year and fix the position. This is a chance, if these guys are available, to get a proven stud, start the rebuild of the position early, and help the team this year and beyond.

Beane after dark? It is getting dark a lot earlier now........ That said, it isn't a ton more space, but even to make 1 trade, they needed to free up some space to absorb the contract. Would be a lot more excited if it freed up like 8 million! Who knows....maybe there is another restructure coming? Now we wait.....

I think if he was healthy, he'd already be signed by somebody. The Chiefs or Eagles at least..... That said, we don't know. But, even if we assume he was healthy, I would have a tough time supporting that dirtbag. I guess if we knew he was 100% healthy, and we got Josh's personal endorsement to do it, then I would consider it for sure. I just don't see it happening either way, though, even though the dude can play and would probably help us if he was healthy. This is just one of those things as fans we don't have enough inside insight on to make that kind of call.

Ingram played way too much. He was a liability out there. And I am fine now after 2 weeks with Hairston starting and playing all, but at least a majority, of the snaps. Same with Hancock. Let the kids play, learn on the job, and be ready to roll in January. The speed difference is so noticeable when the kids are playing. They need to be playing the majority of the time at minimum going forward.

I'll simply refer to you the pregame thread where I said: "Alright guys....a Bills victory has been virtually guaranteed. Just placed the biggest moneyline bet I have ever placed against the Bills. So, I have done my part to try to bring us a win. Ugh....I really hope I lose the money!" You're welcome........

Up until last week, and especially what happened in the game yesterday, I would have considered S as a target at the deadline. Not my highest priority, but on the list. However, after the injury to Hoecht and how well Bishop played, I am not in the market for a S by tomorrow. There are just too many other holes that are more glaring needs. Poyer is not great, but his presence seems to have settled the back end of the defense down a bit. Bishop has gotten better and better every week and yesterday was a coming out party of sorts for him as he showed flashes of the potential he has. Will he be that great every week at this point? No. He's still going to make mistakes and miss tackles from time to time. But you saw the promise and I am not going to get in the way of that. And even though Poyer can't keep up physically, he's always lined up properly and helping to get the other guys lined up and get to where they are supposed to be as well. What's even nicer to see is that Jordan Hancock is starting to get more run in there in certain packages that require more speed and he seems to be showing promise of his own. You throw Hairston in at CB and how great he has looked in his first 2 outings and I am ready to knock S off the list of priorities and allocating those potential resources to WR, DT, and pass rusher. I'll live with the growing pains from the kids back there because when they are all working together, the speed and athleticism difference in the secondary has been extremely noticeable watching the last couple games. They all need to be out there full time and let the kids make their way with Poyer and Tre taking on more of a player/coach role the rest of the way.

Solomon is an interesting player. Undersized, but had a ton of production in college even if not at the highest level. He flashed last year as a rookie in limited playing time. I counted several times where he got to the QB, but just didn't finish. He just couldn't get the QB to the ground, but the pass rush itself was there. However, this season hasn't been the step I had hoped for. He was actually pretty bad earlier this year when getting a ton of run while we waited for Hoecht to get back. But, there was a big difference yesterday in the way he was used than how he has been used earlier this season. Until now, a majority of his rushes came off the edge and get was just getting swallowed up by bigger tackles. His speed was kind of negated by his size and tackles with length and he wasn't getting home. Yesterday, and you can see it in this clip, even though it wasn't a ton of reps he was put into the "Hoecht" role and rushing on the inside and I thought he had a bit more success when he did. I haven't watched the All 22 yet to see every rep, but on first watch, it seemed as though his speed and quickness was giving interior lineman fits in the limited snaps he had there. With Hoecht out, this is really the area they need to fill. Hoecht was very effective bullying guards up the middle and that's a lot of where he rushed from in the game and a half or whatever it is that we had him. So, that was his role. Lorenzo Alexander had a similar role when he was here and found great success as a pass rusher in the middle of the defense using his speed. I am not saying Solomon is going to be the answer there, but I do think if played in that role, you will see him have a little more success than he was having coming off the edge. But we'll see. He is still undersized for the role, but maybe his speed a quickness will be enough for him to make an impact there against guards that don't move as well.

BINGO Outside of Shakir who they were force feeding screens to at the LOS, our WRs combined for.....wait for it...... 5 TOTAL CATCHES. Anyone defending our WR production in this game is out of their mind.

And he did it without virtually any WR production...... Incredible what he did today with basically Cook and a bunch of TEs..... You could give him the MVP on that alone. The WR production, or lack thereof, is absolutely embarrassing. He's the best in the world in my opinion, but what we are doing to him by forcing him to do it without any WR help is just so unfair to him. And by us, I mean Beane. It's on him to fix it, but I am not holding my breath.

Max again on the last play..... He needs to start and not come off the field.... Great game for the young kids today. But man, losing Hoecht just puts a damper on the whole thing. Quick thoughts now because I think I am going to be stewing on the Hoecht injury all night: 1. Bishop was great today. Sort of a coming out party. Wasn't perfect, but made a ton of impact plays. 2. The defensive line really stepped up. Now, a lot of that was because Hoecht was an animal again today and really changed the effectiveness of the line as a whole. But obviously, this will be the last time this season I will be able to say this because he's done for the year. And you saw it when he went out. He went down and the very next play is 4th and 18 with no pass rush. 3. Bosa was good today. He made his share of impact plays. Him and Hoecht really had things going up front. Going to need Bosa to carry the load the rest of the way and that's going to be tough. 4. Max, in limited snaps, might be our best CB already. We'll see what he does with more playing time, but man, I want the kid starting and on the field way more going forward. 5. On the exact opposite front, I don't need to see Ingram anywhere near the field going forward. 6. Cook was great again and our offensive line was dominant for a lot of the game. There is obviously more things that I can list, and I am sure all of you will cover them, but I need a separate section for this discussion. OUR WRS ARE STILL AWFUL AND ARE GOING TO BE THE MAIN REASON WE WON'T GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO. Yup.....the same as it ever was. It was the conversation going into the game and the game just reinforced it. If it wasn't for our TEs, we would literally have no passing game to speak of. Sure, Moore had the 1 catch late which was great, but that was the only play of note from any of our WRs today. Everything else was at the LOS and it's awful. The Chiefs figured it out in the 2nd half and virtually shut our offense down. We can't live this way and it's going to be our downfall in the end. I am not saying anything we didn't know already, but it is such a freaking glaring problem and Beane has 2 days to try and find some help. Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath especially after his infamous rant after the draft. Nobody's laughing now, are they Beane? You came across like a fool then and look like an even bigger one now because of our WR production now...... However, I want to shout out the TE group. The only group of impact weapons in the pass game we have. Great game guys. PS..... Happy about the win, of course, but until we do it in January, I refuse to get overly excited.