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Man.....if the Bills ever take a RB in the top 10 of any draft going forward, that might be the end of me. Just put me in the ground. It's absurd.

Man.....it's strange watching the Browns do good things with draft picks.

It may be the wrong thing to do, but man....I take 1 look at Campbell and wonder why I am supposed to fear him at all. Short arms. Small hands. Not the biggest guy. It's the kind of pick a division rival takes and I say "thank you".

I'm sure that's the plan, but who knows what happens this season. What if a QB needy team out-tanks the Browns? I don't think a team needing a QB is giving up Manning no matter how much is offered. It's a craps shoot. It gives them ammo next year for sure, but they could win just enough games to miss out on that top pick. Will be interesting to watch it play out.

On the surface, I like this for Cleveland, especially getting a first next year. But the fact that they even have to do it because of the hole they dug for themselves is wild. They are still so far away from winning anything.

So what......can we have a real time thread then and just not spoil the picks in the general draft thread? That would be "discussing it somewhere else", right?

The biggest problem with all of this is that the TV broadcast doesn't take much time at all to get 3-5 picks behind. So, you say don't tip picks......that's fine if it were the difference of a minute or so but sometimes they are so far behind that tipping picks could mean 10 minutes after a pick is made. I'm sorry, but if the Bills make a pick, there are going to be those of us that want to just talk about it right away and not have to wait 5-10 minutes for the TV broadcast to catch up. Tipping picks is subjective. When a pick is made, there is no reason it can't be made public. Like I said, I get it if it was constantly 30 seconds early, but it make no sense to wait several minutes after a pick is known to say what it is on here. So, how can we satisfy everyone? Can we have a thread that talks about the picks in real time and another that talks about the picks in broadcast time? That would make the most sense.

Happy Draft Day everyone! Man, I absolutely love this time of year. It's Christmas for NFL teams and fans and for those of us that put the work in to try to analyze these prospects to the best of our ability without having the same access to interviews, health records, etc., it's time to see how in tune we are with not only the Bills, but other teams in the league. That said.....time's up. Today and tomorrow are key days for this franchise. So, I want to know now that all the dust has settled and all of the information that we are going to get as fans is out there, what is your final call/dream scenario? For me, this is about doing everything possible to add elite talent at multiple positions. Now, of course this can happen in multiple ways. You can sit back and hope the board works out perfectly and the guys you take with the first 3 picks all hit. It could happen. It's also possible that if you sit still, you may miss out on a special talent because so many of the teams around you have similar needs. I have been going back and forth about the best way to go about using these 3 picks to get the most out of them. I've thought about trading them all to get up as high as possible. I have thought about trading back to try and pick up a 3rd rounder to have 4 picks in the first 2 days. And, of course, I've thought about sitting and picking. In the end, though, here is where I have settled in my dream scenario. I believe like many that our biggest needs are DT, CB, WR, Edge, and yes.....even Safety. But, of course, you can't solve all of these issues with 3 picks. So, I have decided that I want to do my best to solve 2 of them in the first 2 days, whatever those positions may be. So, I am picking 2 positions and putting them in a bucket and trying to take the best bucket depending on how the board falls. Scenario 1: DT and CB This is my preferred option. My entire goal is to get 2 potential star players out of the first 2 rounds with the picks we have. In my dream scenario, those players are Harmon and Amos. I think Harmon is one of the few potential game wreckers in this draft on the inside. Unlike some, I do think he can play 1 tech and is a true 3 down player that can dominate against the run and the pass. Some can even make an argument that he may be the best inside pass rusher in the class. As for Amos, I just think he fits our scheme the best out of any CB that will be out there in round 2. Physical, sticky, good speed and willing to hit. I think he can play man and zone. Obviously sitting still isn't going to get this done in terms of getting both of them. So, what I am hoping to see is Harmon getting somewhere into the 20s and using one of our second round picks to move up and grab him. Then, it's about moving up high enough to get into the early part of the 2nd round to get Amos as well. It may not be possible, but in a dream scenario, I am willing to part with our 2 plus a 4, 5 and next year's 3rd to pull this off. Will that get us high enough to grab him? Maybe, maybe not. But in a dream scenario, it does. Scenario 2: CB and S This may not be as popular with some, but when it comes to my draft philosophy, when you are picking late, it's about getting the best player in the draft at a non-premium position. You are probably not going to get the best guy in the draft late in round 1 or round 2 if you are looking at QB, WR, Edge, OT or CB. But, you can absolutely have a chance at getting the best S, G, C, or LB in certain drafts and I do think this is one of those drafts. So, in this dream scenario, I am getting the best S in the draft and still getting the CB I want as well. In this scenario, I am drafting Starks at 30 and then using my other 2s to get back up and getting Amos and solidifying this secondary. I am not going to pretend that S is the biggest need on this team, but I do think it is more of a need than some think. Right now, we are banking on Rapp to stay healthy (on a short term contract) and Bishop, a young guy with all the physical tools but is still a work in progress. I mean, we are really a snap away from Hamiln having to play meaningful snaps for this team again and I have no interest in that happening. So, give me the best S in this draft that can play all over the field and is a ball hawk. Yes, his natural position will be the same as Bishop's, but I believe both of these young guys are smart and athletic enough to be interchangeable and we all know how important that is for this defense after watching Hyde and Poyer for all those years. In this scenario, we try to do that again with 2 young, extremely athletic guys with a ton of years ahead of them. Then, of course, it's time to move back up and grab the CB you love.....in my opinion, that's Amos. But if you go with this option, you can probably do it without having to get into next year's picks and you potentially solidify the back end of this defense for many years to come with Benford and Amos on the outside and Bishop and Starks holding it down on the back end with Johnson in the slot. I wish I could have done this with a WR in one of these buckets, but this just isn't the draft to do that with. If I'm Beane, though, I have already called every team in the league and will continue to do so tonight to see if there is any star WR available for trade and trying to fill that spot that way. Obviously, depending on who might be available could change my entire approach to the draft, but there is no way for us to know who might be available unless someone is traded. Anyway, this is my take on the next 2 days.....let's hear yours!

Man, I see a lot of complaining going on for a signing that doesn't mean a whole lot. Look, Tre's injuries got the best of him last year (as would be expected) and he wasn't near the same player he was with us prior to the injuries. I do think he was much better with the Ravens than he was with the Rams, but he was replacement level. That said, Beane does this every year. He signs aging, previously talented vets hoping they still have a little left in the tank to fill obvious holes so they don't have a glaring position of need that forces their hand in the draft. I'm not sure why people are upset with this. I am sure they worked him out and gave him a physical and have a good understanding of where he is physically. We don't have the exact contract details yet, but I am sure the numbers and guarantees don't promise him roster spot let alone a starting job or anything. He will probably have a chance to compete for a job and he can be an asset in the locker room all while mentoring the young guys in the room. And, like I said....that's if he even makes the team. There is no need to be upset here. This changes absolutely nothing in terms of the draft. If CB is the BPA, they will still take a CB at 30. All this does is make it so they don't have another Elam situation where everyone and their mothers knew we needed to take a CB with our first pick. this just gives us some flexibility that if there is another player at a different position we have ranked higher on the board, that we can take him instead of taking a CB we have ranked lower. Quite honestly, another year removed from his injuries, and already knowing the system is an added bonus if he has to be a stop gap until a young guy is ready to take the job. This is so much better than adding Dane Jackson, or Bradberry, or something like that. This was a move that was going to be made regardless of the player. The fact that we know this player so well is just a bonus if you ask me. So yeah......welcome back, Tre! Here's hoping you still have something left and can compete at a high level. If if doesn't work out, so be it, but I'm rooting for you. Can't wait until the draft!

Very instinctual player. Always well prepared. Willing tackler. Always seems to be in position. He's a solid CB prospect for sure. Him not wanting to run the 40 and a LB-like 3-cone time are concerning, though. There are reports that during training he was running in the high 4.5s and that's not great for a CB. If he didn't run because he was still a little worried about the injuries, that's one thing. If he didn't run because he was afraid to put up a 4.6, that's quite another, especially for a guy looking to be drafted in the top 10-15.

Harmon is my guy that is somewhat realistic in this draft. Now, I don't think there is a chance in the world that he is going to be there at 30. However, I was hoping that he could make it until the early 20s where we might have a shot at getting to. The closer we get to the draft, though, I am not sure that is going to be the case. He is now more likely to go in the middle of the round and will just be too expensive to go get. So, that said, I am honestly leaning more CB in Round 1 as we close in on the draft. I think a guy like Maxwell Hairston or Trey Amos would be great for us. Honestly, if we could go Hairston/Amos (or whatever CB they like), the DT of our choice, and then someone like Xavier Watts, I think the top of the draft would be pretty solid. What I would really like to be able to do, and of course it depends how the board falls would be able to trade down a few spots, make the same picks, while also getting a 3rd. Then, in the 3rd, find the speed at WR we desperately need.

I have seen him anywhere from the 3rd to the 5th on him (I have a 4th round grade on him, but I am not convinced he's going to make it that far). If we actually had a 3rd, I would probably be banging the drum to take him there even if it would be a bit of a reach. Just not sure he is going to be there in the 4th when we get to pick. Depending on how the draft falls in round 1, I would absolutely be interested in dropping back a couple picks to add a 3rd rounder. Obviously, if the guys we want are being scooped up, we may have to stick or even trade up, but if for some reason we get to 25-30 and there are 5-6 guys we can pick from, I'd absolutely be looking to drop into the early 2nd if I can (I am not dropping more than 4-5 spots, though) to add that 3rd to take him. CB, DT, S, WR. Knock them all off in rounds 2 and 3 and then just go BPA the rest of the way.

This is absolutely the kind of guy that you take a swing with in the mid rounds. Elite traits. You just don't see guys this big that can run that fast very often. Sure he has his issues, shortcomings, and is super raw, but if the kid is willing to learn and put the work in, and your coaching staff is as good as it should be, this is the kind of guy that you could mold into something special.

Ari Meirov @MySportsUpdate Developing: #Saints QB Derek Carr is dealing with a shoulder injury that could impact his availability for the 2025 season, per @RapSheet He’s currently weighing options, including surgery. New Orleans holds the No. 9 pick in the draft. I have been on this train for a couple months now and with this news coming down, I am absolutely calling the Saints to see if I can pry Olave out of there. Sure, there are risks with his injury history, but you can say that about a lot of guys. The fact is, when he's healthy, Olave is one of the best man coverage beaters in the league. He's fast and can challenge teams at every level of the field. Quite honestly, he's exactly the type of WR we are missing. So, what does it all mean? Not sure since we don't know if he is available to trade for. But I am making the call. Can we get him for one of our 2nds? I have been trying to figure out how to get a DT, CB, and game breaking WR with our first 3 picks. In the draft, I am not sure that's even possible because I don't see a WR there that I would feel 100% certain about with the skill set we are looking for. In my opinion, Olave is better than every WR in this draft. But yeah....injuries and an upcoming contract make it more challenging, but man....if we could figure it out, I'd be thrilled. He would absolutely fill the WR hole we have and we could use 30 on the best CB or DT available and our remaining 2nd to fill the position we don't take at 30 and I would love our draft no matter what happens the rest of the way. I mean, maybe this further pushes the Saints to draft a QB at 9 like Dart or someone else and they will want him to have an explosive weapon like Olave for him to throw to. I would completely understand that line of thinking. I would also understand if the Saints look at this as a chance to reset and want to add more ammo and picks in the draft. But, it is absolutely a call I am making to find out what they're thinking.

He was projected by many as a 4th rounder, 3rd maybe, but this really kills his stock. Obviously, teams are going to have a lot more information on this than we will, at least by draft time, so it will be up to them to make the final call. But, if this has any credibility, who knows what happens now. Does he get drafted at all? Does anyone sign him as a FA until this is completely settled? There are going to be a lot of eyes on this situation and if a team brings him in, it's going to be a distraction for sure.

Good player, but it seems like he has a questionable attitude. But hey.....that's why we have built the culture we have, though, right? So, on occasion you can bring in a guy like this and hope that some of that great culture rubs off on him and he becomes the best version of himself. I don't want to bring him in at any significant money, and I am not sure he would even be a starter by the end of camp, but I believe he is better than Dane and if he's boundary CB3, then so be it. And, if he screws up or has those same attitude issues, then he's not on the team. But I am very interested in bringing him in and letting him compete for a spot.

And I actually agree with this in theory. My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft. I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round. I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19. Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there. In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft. But that's just me. If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him. As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get. Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine..... But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

There are good arguments to be made both ways in terms of moving up or moving back depending on the round you are talking about. Personally, unless there is a guy that you 100% have in your top 10 players in the draft sitting there at like 17 or so, I am not sure I am ready to make that kind of a move. This is fairly unique draft where, outside of a couple top end talents, there are guys all over the first 3 rounds you can see being good players in the league. The value, in my opinion anyways, starts in the mid 20s and guys picked there could easily be just as good as the picks earlier in the draft. If anything, while I love having 2 seconds, I would love to move up and get an earlier pick there. Maybe you can swing our 2 seconds to move up and grab a 3rd in the process. There are solid players that can absolutely help this team into the 3rd round and it would be wise to try and get in there if you can, especially if you can move up substantially in the second round in the process. I don't expect to use all of our picks this year, that's for sure. But I want to be strategic about it so we still make enough picks, but really maximizing the value at the same time.

That's the point of doing it though. They want returns. They are trying to force teams to kick the ball in play rather than blasting it into the endzone every time. The league doesn't want teams to put the ball at the 35 at all. They want them to kick it inside the 5 and have the returns. This should help get them that result.

I don't know the stats here, but does McDermott and those wanting it gone have stats to back up their stance? I mean, I have never heard of anyone getting hurt on the play itself. Not saying it hasn't happened, but if it has, I haven't heard about it. Seems like if you are using player safety as the reason to ban it, you need the evidence to back up the claim. I am neutral on the issue. Whatever comes of it is fine. I suppose I will be a little disappointed that we can't do it anymore because, Chiefs game aside, we are very good at it and it is almost a guaranteed first down. But whatever. I know there's a lot of fans out there whining about the play because they just think it is cheap and boring. My argument against that, though, is that the offense has 1 job.....move the ball down the field and get 1st downs within the 4 downs they are given. Don't like the play? Find a way to stop it. I mean, the Chiefs did.....they lined up Offside and told the refs not to call it. But it worked for them. Anyway, I just kind of find this whole thing a bit funny. Of all the things you need to fix in the game, the focus is on a glorified QB sneak. Whatever.

Not expecting to see a Cook contract done anytime soon......maybe ever here. It's obvious (and I truly believe rightly so), that Beane and and front office doesn't believe in paying big money to the RB position. If Cook truly believes he is worth $15 million+, I don't think he is going to see that here. I think we run him a ton this season and get as much as we can out of him and then it is on to the next. And I do think that is the right way to do it. There are other more premium positions to allocate that money to that will have a much bigger impact on the team. I just don't think you would see a dramatic drop in production by going to Davis or another RB you draft this season. I'm fine with waiting it all out.

Maybe.... Nut he was pretty invisible in the Super Bowl and they dominated the Chiefs because they had a stout defense, a great O-Line and made a couple big plays down the field. He was great all season, but I think a lot of backs could have gotten them enough production to win.

And that's fine..... I wouldn't have paid him that money either. When I say I don't pay the position, I mean it. Doesn't matter who it is. He's a great player, but I would never pay him $20 million a year.

It's a nice deal on the surface for sure. What would make it even better is if there is an "out" after the next year or 2 just in case his concussion issue becomes a problem. I hate to have to think that way because the guy is a very good player and this contract seems like a bargain if he stays healthy, but we have seen it already with several guys that concussions are nothing to mess with and with him coming off 2 in back to back weeks to finish the season is just a bit concerning to me. Hopefully, though, it will never become an issue and we won't have to be overly concerned with it. Now I see a lot of people talking about Cook and getting him done. Look....I like Cook. I think he's a very good player that can make plays for us. But man.....I just don't value RBs the way I value other positions. It's not a slight at Cook, but rather the position in general. I am a firm believer that if you have a great line, any back with decent athleticism can produce for you and the drop off isn't as big as it might be with other positions. I firmly believe that if we went out and drafted another RB in the 3rd round that runs 4.4 or better that we can get explosive plays from them as well. I look at what Davis did as a rookie this year and he isn't near the athlete Cook is, but he always produced when called upon. I think is Cook were to be traded or whatever and not on this team that we would be just fine with Davis, Johnson, and a rookie behind the line we have. Cook is very good, but let's face it...... He played less than 50% of snaps and didn't play on 3rd down (and many times in crunch time) because the Bills rather have Johnson on the field in those situations. That doesn't sound like a guy that I want to tie $15 million, or even $10 million a year up in. Not sure what my ceiling would be because I just believe that money can be used on players at more premium positions. I get it. He's been very good for us. He's our guy. We drafted him and we want him on the team. But I just don't view RB as a position you need to pay big money to in order to win. I know that some will agree with me and some won't. I totally get it. But this is just my philosophy when it comes to roster construction. The guy I would rather sign next? Mcgovern.

No....it doesn't necessarily matter. What matters is that you are capable of doing it in the easiest way possible. Last year after the first few weeks of the season and the "Everybody Eats" offense got put on film and teams figured out that our offense couldn't beat anyone down the field, it got a lot tougher to score for a bit because teams were sneaking their safeties up and making it harder on offense to move the ball consistently. Hence the reason we had to bring in Cooper. Now, maybe the Cooper signing didn't work out entirely as planned, but early on, he made a couple of plays down the field and that loosened things up a bit and the offense got back on track. But now he's gone and we're back in the same situation we were last last season. A bunch of guys with no real star power and no game breaking speed. I fear that if we go into the season again without that speed and someone to threaten teams down the field, we will end up in the same spot with teams stacking the box and making the short to intermediate routes that much tougher to complete. If you go back and look at last year, the only big plays we really made were off script superhero stuff from Allen. You could count on one hand how many deep shots were actually completed on script within the design of the play. In fact, you may not need all of your fingers to count them. So, no, it doesn't matter how you do it. But you have to have the capability to do it. And, in my opinion, the best way to help that happen is to make sure defense respect the deep part of the field. We don't have anyone on the roster that any team will feel like they have to back off of and that does make me wonder if we will struggle to score consistently again, especially with an entire year's worth of our offense on film. Finally, while scoring is important for sure.....preventing playoff teams from rolling over your own defense and forcing us to score to much to have a chance to win is a huge problem as well. It's nice to have the ability to score 30+ a game, but when you are forced to do it week in and week out in the Playoffs because your defense can't stop real offenses, it changes the dynamic. So, I guess in the end what I am saying is we still need at least 1 more WR with speed, explosion, and the ability to beat man coverage. Find that and then load up on defense with the rest of our assets and let's kick the ball off!