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While I don't disagree that there is still some meat on the bone with the WRs we have as shown in this clip, that doesn't change the overall need to add a stud to the WR corps. If you look at enough tape, there are plays like this that come up where a WR does come wide open and Allen doesn't throw them the ball. But there are also more plays on tape with the WRs being completely suffocated with no breathing room. The problem is, there are so many of the plays where the WRs are completely covered, that Allen is having a tough time trusting that the WRs ever come open and he rushes his reads to make sure he gets to the TEs because he has more confidence in the group. It's about trust and who's earned it and this WR group just hasn't been trustworthy enough to get open on a regular basis for Allen and therefore there will be these opportunities once in a great while that are missed. But that's just a small part of the bigger picture. The thing is, we can win games with the WRs we have. That's been proven. You can get away with beating any NFL team during the regular season with the WRs we have. The problem that you are going to run into is what happens come January and you are facing the best teams with the best defenses with a Championship on the line. We all know the preparation, the focus, the attention to detail, the physicality, the game plan, etc. are all ratcheted up a notch and that's where inferior personnel will be exposed. The margins are so slim in the Playoffs. So, the question becomes when it's 4th and 4 with the game on the line in the Playoffs, who is Allen going to trust to get open off the line? It isn't going to be the WRs we have as of this moment. So, that's why there is such a call to get a DUDE on this team again. When Diggs was here, especially the first couple years, Allen trusted him to make a play when it mattered and, for the most part, they connected. Now, on the back part of his time here, I think that trust faded a bit after Diggs started to drop the ball or whatever, but when the connection was in its prime, it was snap, drop back, fire to Diggs in this big situations. We just don't have that guy now that Allen trusts. Can Palmer become that guy once he's back by the end of the year? Maybe. But that connection hasn't been there all year until the first part of the Falcons game where he got hurt. We'll have to see if they were onto something or if it was just a fluke when he's back. But yeah.....we need our STUD that Allen can count on in pressure situations with the game on the line. However, with the limited cap space we have, and teams unwilling to part with those types of guys, our best bet is to find that guy, on a cost controlled contract, in the draft. But Beane hasn't shown the ability to identify that guy in the draft yet. He literally drafted Coleman, a slow plodding WR that couldn't separate in college to be that guy at the top of the 2nd round. Couldn't get open in college. Can't get open in the NFL with consistency. Allen has tried forcing him the ball to get him going and it hasn't worked. His targets have seen a decline in recent weeks because of it and the fact Allen can't trust him in those key situations. It's time to take some premium assets and invest them on great prospects and upgrade the room with some top talent on cost controlled contracts. But Beane needs to admit he was wrong about the group he put together and be willing to change it all while being much better in identifying top WR talent. We'll see what happens in the off season with that. In the meantime, we have to hope Allen and one of the WRs on the current roster find some sort of chemistry and trust before the Playoffs start.

Nope.....bad idea. He just showed up and is already looking like he has the potential to be CB1 sooner rather than later. I am good with focusing his attention there. That said, I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it. But, that's on Beane to actually find a truly explosive WR that can strike fear into defenses. We don't have anything remotely close to that, but Hairston isn't going to be that guy. However, I am not opposed to having 1 or 2 plays in the playbook on offense for him in a break glass in case of emergency got to have it situation. Something that wouldn't be on tape that no team has seen before. He is super explosive and if you can design a couple of crazy plays to get him the ball in space that the other team can't game plan for, I am open to that. But no.....not a few plays every week in place of Coleman. I am talking 4th and 2 to ice the AFC Championship or Super Bowl or something where the defense sees him come on the field and has no clue what he is going to do.

On the surface, I agree. I do think he could play the Hoecht role. However, he is having the best year of his career so far this season playing DE. We still need depth there because Bosa is already playing too many snaps as it is. You play AJ in a different role, you are taking some very much DE depth away. So yeah, I agree in theory, but what we need is someone who is on the team that hasn't been able to carve out a role yet show the ability to do as much as Hoecht was doing as possible.

Alright.....the deadline has come and gone and we were left out in the cold. So, we have to make due with what we have in the building. A couple of quick thoughts (even though I don't love them myself): WR - We desperately needed a WR1. We got nothing. So, what do we have to hope for? Whelp, we have to hope Palmer is back sooner rather than later. And, as much as it pains me to say it because I don't have any expectations at all for the player, we have to hope Gabe Davis can come in here and do something positive. That said, the bar is SUPER low. Can he offer more the Coleman? If he can't, you may as well release him now. Gabe, even at his best, was basically a slightly better version than Coleman. Not super fast, but faster than Coleman. Had trouble getting open (except against the Chiefs for whatever reason) against man coverage, but Coleman can't do it all either. So, I guess if it gets Coleman off the field, step right up, Gabe...... Ugh..... It's disgusting to even think that our major upgrade at WR this year is praying that Gabe Davis, who was cut by the Jags after 1 season because he was so bad, came in hurt and was finally elevated to the PRACTICE SQUAD last week, is what we are counting on. But here we are........ DL - We've lost Oliver and Hoecht for the year and what do we do? Nothing.....we bring in guys off the street to try out for the practice squad. An awful plan. Now, we do have Sanders coming back hopefully in a couple weeks. He's a 2nd round pick that did show flashes here and there before he went down, but was super inconsistent. So, we have to again hope and pray that this young guy comes back 100% physically and hope that the mental reps and time in the playbook while he was hurt help his production on the field. I still have hopes for him because I like the skill set, but he will need to figure it out a lot quicker than he did when he was in the lineup earlier this year. That brings me the the Hoecht injury. UGH....no other word but devastating. That guy showed up and made the single biggest impact we have had on our defensive line in a very long time. How do you replace that? Solomon? Shows flashes of a great speed rush at times, but is undersized and gets eaten up quick. HOWEVER, and here is where my curiosity comes in. Hoecht in the short time he was here seemed to make the most impact rushing as a stand up LB right up the middle of the defense. He was helping collapse the pocket and freed up Groot and Bosa to to their thing on the outside and immediately they started playing better. Earlier in the year when Solomon was playing, they used him like a traditional edge rusher coming from the outside and he was getting devoured by bigger, athletic tackles. What I am going to try and do to replace Hoecht, is actually try and use whoever it is the same way we were using Hoecht. Standing up, working the middle of the offensive line against the Guards and Center. He has a rep or 2 in there Sunday and actually had a couple nice rushes. He abused a G on one rep that I can remember. So, are they going to continue to use him like that or was that just because of the game plan they had in? Hopefully they stick with it. Now, if they are truly looking for someone to fill the Hoecht role and rush up the middle on passing downs, I am thinking this might be a chance for Landon Jackson to find a roll. I looked it up. Hoecht is 6'4" and around 270lbs. Landon Jackson? 6'6" and 264lbs. So, very similar in size. Obviously, they see him in practice and we don't. But the couple of times we saw him in game action, he lined up as a traditional DE and that was really it. What if, and it's a big what if, you tried him as a rush LB just like Hoecht was being used. The one thing Jackson has is strength and a non stop motor. He also uses his hands well. What he doesn't appear to have is elite flexibility and bend. So, why not line him up over a G and just turn him loose? Tell him to just bull rush guys and try and collapse to pocket like Hoecht was doing. This may mask his weaknesses and play to his strengths. I don't know. I am just searching for ideas that are on the roster after we busted at the trade deadline and this is one thought I had. Who knows.....maybe they have already tried this in practice and he stinks at it and the dude is just going to be a bust. Anyway, today stunk for a lot of reasons. We just have to hope we can find some of the answers and get even a little better with the guys we have on the roster that haven't contributed much yet. Gotta get the most out of them.

Just looked it up because I was curious...... Our WRs, outside of Shakir, have totaled 723 yards. There are currently 3 WRs in the NFL that have more than that total all by themselves and several more within striking distance of passing us as a team. If that's not bad enough, even if you add in Shakir's yardage, the total is only 1122 yards. For reference, JSN out in Seattle is only 174 yards BEHIND OUR ENTIRE WR CORPS ADDED TOGETHER for the season. And Chase isn't that far behind him. That's how bad our WR production is this year. If it weren't for Kincaid, we would be absolutely nowhere in the passing game. Our WRs just ain't it and until Beane realizes that even Superman needs some help once in a while, we will be fighting an uphill battle that we shouldn't have to throw on Allen's back every single freaking year.

We're officially the new Packers (when they had Rodgers in his prime)...... All world QB with the GM refusing to surround him with any super talented WRs and leaving the entire offense up to him. The only difference is the Packers have won Super Bowls.....we haven't. We are a Kincaid injury away from virtually no receiving production......

Bills about to roll out Coleman, Shakir, Deebo, Samuel, and Kincaid and run the first ever 5-Tuple Bubble Screen offense.........

We need to be able to throw WR screens to both sides on the same play.....

Time keeps ticking away and I am preparing more and more for another "This isn't fantasy football" quote from Beane while there have been several huge names already traded today in fantasy football like moves.

With all these 1st round and high picks they are getting for their players today, it's hard to believe all that outgoing talent has them as bottom feeders in the league before all these trades.

Not true at all. There are several players out there that we can bring in with the cap situation the way it is. Shaheed was one of them. Olave and BTJ are others. Phillips was another before he was traded to the Eagles. There are absolutely some top tier players out there that can be brought in with the cap space we currently have. Sure, we will have to get creative to re-sign them if that is something we wanted to do, but just getting some quality players in here is not difficult with the cap we have. And, on top of that, there are still some levers that can be pulled if we want to create more space for a bigger move. Player salary and cap are 2 different things. We have to be able to absorb whatever the remaining cap hit is for this season....that's all. And, on top of any restructures or extensions we could do, you can always ship a player out, depending on that contract structure, to offset the incoming cap hit. There are ways... This is about Beane and the compensation he is willing to part with. That's it. There is cap space if needed to make a move he wants to make.

I mean......what's another 1st for the Jets? Go get Wilson! Might be a bit of an overpay, but where we are hoping to pick, are we really going to get a better player than Garrett Wilson? On a side note, glad we don't have to deal with Q anymore. Dude's a beast and would have been a nice addition here. But whatever..... I just have a terrible feeling that we aren't going to do anything of consequence. Beane loves his draft picks and the bigger moves today have been costly. He wants no part of that action. As for Deebo? Come on.....he doesn't do anything for this team. The only dude Coleman might be able to sort of keep up with at this point. A gadget/slot guy does nothing for this team and if that's you're move......just shows you're really not that serious about winning.

Yeah.....if we do indeed come away with nothing at WR today, this will be pretty unforgivable by Beane not to beat this offer. He's not a star, but he offers a lot of things we don't have on offense and could have been our kick and punt returner too all for a couple of mid round picks. Big letdown if we don't have our own WR move in the pipeline.

Just getting caught up here..... Sauce to the Colts? Didn't see that one coming. Glad he is out of the East, but I have to say, he was never a guy I really feared. Good player, but got away with a ton of holding calls. Colts are really feeling themselves right now. They truly believe they have something. Maybe they do. Who knows. But overall, this is a win for the Jets long term in my opinion. So, what does this mean for the Jets? Are they just tearing it down? Do they trade Hall as rumored too? Is Wilson suddenly available? Because if he is, I want all in on that. What about Williams? Let's go get Q and Wilson!!!!! HA! Shaheed heads out West and Meyers was traded earlier. Not that Meyers ever moved the needle for me, but the options at WR may be drying up. The later this goes, the more negative I feel about Beane doing anything of consequence. Frustrating watching all these other contending teams going for it and us not being on the board yet. Trying to be patient, but man......this is tough watching everything else go down.

I think there is a 95% chance that both McGovern and Edwards won't both be back. I do think there is a somewhat decent chance 1 of them is. McGovern has already confirmed that there were some talks before the season but nothing got done and it was put on the back burner. But, because of these talks, at least the Bills know what his ask is and what a potential contract could look like. So, I do think McGovern might be the slight favorite over Edwards to get re-signed, but it is possible that neither of them do. Unfortunately, we can't pay everyone. Bosa is interesting because I think even though he's been healthy to this point, you always know in the back of your mind what the history is and he is 30 now. How many years are you willing to go? Can you get him to sign an incentive-laden deal? He has said on multiple occasions now how much he loves it here and how happy he is to play here. How much money is he going to ask for? That's an interesting situation. AJ is the guy so many have wanted out of here for a while now. He's having his best season of his career. But what AJ do you get going forward if you do pay him? How much is a guy with really only this season of consistent production actually worth. This is a contract you could get burned on if you are not careful. I don't know. It all depends on what Beane is looking at and has the option to do. I am willing to bet there are offers on the table that some of us would absolutely jump at whereas he won't. This is where not having access to these conversations and offers is really frustrating as fans.