GunnerBill

Personally I'd have done what they did ladt year, traded out, stocked picks... because there were enough flashes from Fields as a playmaker. He makes out of structure plays at times that probably only Allen, Mahomes and Jackson can match.... but the in structure stuff isn't developing. The bread and butter QB skills are no further enhanced to my eye this year. So I think if I am content Williams checks out personality wise I'd pick him were I the GM and they will still get someone willing to trade for Fields and give them a day 2 pick back possibly.

Yea my edit does make the point I think his recent playoff record is a fair knock. But it is a fair knock on an otherwise excellent resume.

I think after Diggs the next 3 guys in terms of pass catchers I'd take would all be Ravens. I'd still take their line as well while ours is much improved. I'd take Cook over all their backs and Josh over Lamar. I would take Harbaugh over McDermott though in fairness. With Belichick about to be out on his ear I'd take John Harbaugh over every other coach in the league. Even Andy Reid. I think he is outstanding. To have his record over 16 years when he has never had a true elite Quarterback.... though they have had two good ones... is incredible. And he has rebuilt the team and re-calibrated their approach on both sides of the ball multiple times since he has been there. Unlike you there are very few coaches I'd swap Sean McDermott for. But John Harbaugh is one. If there is a knock on Harbaugh it is that since winning his Superbowl his playoff record leaves something to be desired. He is 2-5 since they won the Lombardi and I'd argue two of those losses to Tennessee and the Chargers were to inferior teams.

Yea I think that should be at least on the table there but it seems like he is safe.

All depends if they can find a Quarterback doesn't it? Payton is one of those guys who can get serviceable play out of below average QBs - Bridgewater, Winston, late career Wilson, even arguably final season Brees. But to win he needs a QB. They don't have many assets to trade up for one. Maybe they take the 4th or 5th best guy in the class at #14 or wherever they pick. Maybe as rumoured they fancy Kirk Cousins. They are one of the more intriguing question mark teams for the offseason. But in the AFC if Payton is going to make the Broncos any sort of contender he will need to find an answer to that conundrum. Otherwise there was some good and some bad in his first year. But as an offensive playcaller he is second only to Andy Reid in his generation.

The best thing he did was pull the plug on Russ Wilson. That was a boil that needed lancing. And he didn't delay. He did in a bit of an ass like way... but that is Sean Payton for you. His conviction that Wilson was the problem not the solution was correct.

No I asked where we had discussed your analysis of what has lead to the underperformance of the offense. That is not in this thread.

All ready open: Panthers Chargers Raiders All but certain to make a Black Monday move: Patriots Commanders Other spots to watch: Falcons (Arthur Smith) Seahawks (Pete Carroll - retirement) That would be seven openings again. The league can't sustain this level of coaching turnover. The talent pipeline isn't capable of re-stocking at this speed.

None of those were big coaching errors.

I don't consider the kneel down a game blowing mistake. 12 men was. 13 seconds was. I can't come up with too many others over 7 years.

I would play for the 2 seed. I think Steelers home and Chiefs home is the best possible route.

Yea there are teams who in that scenario would worry about draft picks. But it just isn't who Vrabel is and even if his owner or GM told him to he'd tell them to go ***** themselves. If we win tonight the route of Pittsburgh and KC both in Buffalo is about the best it could be IMO. Despite the Mahomes factor.

Yes, I would. I'd say guys you are in the dance, the pressure is lifted, now go make a damn statement that says the road goes through Buffalo.

I am not superstitious as a rule but I moved positions at half time and I went back and sat where I was first half for that final Jags drive. I think someone told Trevor.

6 of 7 years. I know, I know, when you have a unicorn at QB you set your sights higher. But the only team who can match or beat that record is the Chiefs.

Told you the Titans would play hard. I didn't expect them to win. And but for the Jags shooting themselves in the foot they wouldn't have won. But I knew they'd play full gas. It is just who Vrabel is.

I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything.

So you think it is coaching? What precisely? Play calling? Scheme? What? I am struggling to see where you are going with it.

I don't think we have been through it. Why do you think the offense is underperforming?

So why do you think it is underperforming?

I think the offense has underperformed. No question. The fact the Bills made an OC change is further demonstration of that. Bad playcalling. Drops. Turnovers. And some inconsistent Quarterbacking. It is all in the mix as to the reason why. There is no one single reason.

I am not sure it is preparing to cope in this instance so much as it is playing the odds and saying if you can't beat a weakened Miami what are the chances you beat a stronger version next week? And then genuinely that few spots in the draft order might be the difference between being in position for that playmaking receiver we all think we need or not. Again, I'd rather be in and say even if the odds are against us take our shot. But I don't agree that the alternative reasoning is stupid. I see where those people are coming from.

Achane is a big play threat (although Mostert is too in fairness) but I also think if you play with proper discipline and leverage he is the easier guy to stop. Mostert is one of those guys who gets 5 when there is 3 yards there courtesy of blocking.

I thought Armstead was playing albeit possibly dinged up?

I agree but I do sorta see the logic. If the Bills can't beat Miami tonight with Waddle and Mostart sitting how are they beating them in Miami next week with both of them back? I know any given Sunday and all but feels like that stage they would be a bit wing and a prayer. I'd still rather be in than not. But I understand the thinking that if we can't win tonight it is better to try and pick 19th or 20th in the draft than 22nd or 23rd. Especially with where that second tier of receivers (after Harrison who is alone in tier 1) - Nabers, Odunze, Coleman - might come off the board. I know there are some people who don't even want to think draft yet, and that is fine. But it is the time of year when my mind turns to it regardless of whether the Bills are in or out.