GunnerBill
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I'd love to see our Bills surprise all the pundits and be a legit playoff team but I'm just not sure the talent on the back 7 D will get us there
USA Today just came out today and ranked our secondary 4th worst in the NFL and our LB's 24/32
Not saying they are correct, just saying if they are close that ain't gonna get into the playoffs, or anything close to a top 5 or Top 10 D
Nor does it suggest the revamping of our secondary paying dividends in 2017
jc
While I disagree with you somewhat on Hyde, as explained above, I do share concerns about our back 7. I saw technique issues with Darby last year that worry me going forward. I hope he steps back up to 2015 form this year but that should not be taken as a given. I like Tre'Davious White but to expect him to step in and be as good as Gilmore (forget what the haters says he really is very good) in year 1 feels like a stretch and I think anything approaching starter calibre play out of Jordan Poyer at this stage is found money.... he is a complete question mark as there is so little NFL tape to go on. I also think our linebacking unit is still totally up in the air at this stage - who starts and in what positions I still couldn't call. Ragland probably the MIKE? Lorenzo the SAM? Hodges or Brown or Humber at the WILL? Question marks a plenty.
But whilst all that should probably suggest the playoffs are a long shot - I point you to the 2016 Miami Dolphins. Their linebacking corps were possibly the worst in the entire league... certainly bottom 4 or 5.... Alonso was just about passable but the other two "starters" Paysinger and Jenkins (who were both allowed to leave this offseason) were absolutely terrible. Jenkins might be the worst player I watched in the NFL last season. Their defensive backfield was slightly better, though not much... and was certainly bottom 3rd of the league. And yet.... and yet.... they made the playoffs. An anomaly? Probably. But it doesn't necessarily follow that a bad back 7 will eliminate you from playoff contention.
I share your view that the Bills are a longshot for the post season... but the 2016 Dolphins exist to prove that sometimes logic goes out of the window in a league where it really is who can make those 7 or 8 critical plays over the course of a season.
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Despite telling myself I didn't.... I wanted them to beat the Seahawks. Too many people in that Seattle team and coaching staff that really, really grate on me as personalities.
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I don't just don't see Tampa.... Not with the dirty birds in their division... They'll be served two losses by ATL, split with the Saints and Carolina.. Add two losses to the Giants and Patriots, and I have them at 10-6.
Atlanta will take a step back though. Not a Panthers last year level step back.... but a step back all the same. I actually think the NFC South is wide open and given its schedule (AFC East and NFC North - two weaker divisions) it wouldn't surprise me if some media types are hyping it as the strongest division in football by the end of the season. Can see all 4 teams at .500 or above.
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He was going to be the other guy in my example. It's just a feeling but I think he climbs the board. I expect big things out of them this year with Rudolph as a Heisman candidate.
I made something of a start on Rudolph this year and liked what I saw for the most part. It wasn't very detailed but I made notes of 2 games and he was pretty close on those games to where I had Trubisky. Hadn't really got into his flaws but there is some good there in his tape.
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I keep reading, all over this forum, what a 'special' player M Hyde is, or what a great get he is - Honestly I don't get the hype, yes I think he's a solid young 5th year depth player, with potential upside to start in the right system, but one should remember the Packers never saw him an NFL starter, and made no attempt to re-sign him, here's a review by a packers media pundit who witnessed Hyde's game in and game out over 4 seasons
Despite some of the big plays that Hyde made down the stretch, Hyde is part of the reason that the Packers’ defense struggled as much as it did as well. Hyde does not have top end speed. He struggles in man coverage. He has made some big plays, but gave up his fair share as well. Hyde is a solid all around player, but does not do anything special. He would have been a solid piece for the Packers to bring back if the price would have been right. When the Packers’ secondary was healthy in 2015, Hyde was designated as the player to shadow the opposing team’s tight ends. He was repeatedly targeted, and mostly abused in coverage. 2016 brought about a bigger role for him because of a secondary that was ravaged by injuries. Hyde performed admirably. An eight-game stretch does not, however, erase the kind of player that the Packers should have learned that Hyde was over the stretch of the first four years of his career. In order to retain Hyde, the Packers would have had to pay him more money than what they let Casey Hayward walk away for just one season ago. Even if you remove Hayward’s outlier season in terms of interceptions, Hayward was always a better cornerback than Hyde. Hyde’s versatility, while useful is not worth the price that was ultimately paid to him from outside of the organization. The lack of an offer by the Packers proves the team felt the same way. By removing Hyde from the defense altogether, the Packers are almost forcing themselves to get faster in the secondary. They will need someone to replace all the things that Hyde did for them. They’ll likely find someone who is better athletically and with more speed. His play down the stretch turned into a big payday. Hyde should be commended for that. Without Hyde, the Packers may not have made the playoffs, let alone been one step from the Super Bowl. It can also be true that the defense was bad with Hyde on the field. It can also be true that Hyde is one of the main reasons the secondary was as poor as it was. Hyde was a limited player. His new contract is paying him as if he is a premium player. While the Packers technically got worse by losing Hyde’s versatility in the short run, it forces them to get better in the long run. For that reason along with several others, the Packers made the right call by letting Hyde walk.
jc
The Packers made the right decision letting him walk - I've talked before about the fact that when you have elite talent you don't pay to keep those mid roster role players.
I don't, however, agree with the assessment of Hyde. I think he is limited by his lack of speed as an outside corner, but his physicality across the middle has made him an effective slot corner, and he played really well last year when asked to start as a safety. He is a really nice fit for this defense and I expect him to have a solid season. If anything I think he is a player whose versatility has hurt him throughout his time in Green Bay... because whenever they have had an injury in the secondary he has been the one moved around to plug the gap. I believe he will benefit greatly from having a regular spot at safety. He has graded out as solidly above average every year he has been in the league and I think that he is a very good scheme fit. Wouldn't surprise me to see him getting some league wide attention by mid season.
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The only way we're picking 6 is if Tyrod Taylor has a terrible season.
If that's the case, rest assured we'll take a QB with the first pick in 2018.
Agreed and might even trade up a spot or two to do so.
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And Mayfield won't go first! Please some sanity for us all!
Blokes and Bandit both really seem to like him. I haven't looked at him at all yet. He is on my list of guys to watch live early in 2017.
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There will not be 6 first round Quarterbacks in 2018. I'll say it until I am blue in the face.... there just won't.
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The Cardinals were 13-3 in '15. Only reason they didn't make the SB was they lost Palmer and his back up very late in the season. If you actually predicted a Bills win last offseason, whatever you're doing to make a living, you're in the wrong bidniz.
I did. I will find the post... but you are getting two years mixed up. 2014 was the year Palmer got injured and the replacements sucked in the playoffs against Carolina. In 2015 Palmer started to look a bit old at the end of the year and in the playoffs. As I say, over the years I have been reasonably good at predicting when teams that have had a run are about to fall off.
You like Siemian but Tyrod not so much?
I'd take Tyrod any day of the week over Siemian.
So would I - but do think Siemian is a pretty good fit for the O we are about to run.
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Who expected Karlos Williams and Gillisslee to do what they did the last 2 years? Jonathan Williams. please step forward. Let's wait and see what he's got.
I had a ton more faith in them that in Jonathan Williams.
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Games 5-7.
So many perfectionist here.
I know you know what I meant you just wanted to correct me, thanks I'm an idiot
Yes they are thanks. Just trying to spur up some conversation here. But I guess the thread should have been about the 16 most critical games this year. That would have been fun.
Games 5-7 is still only 3 games... which are the other 2...?
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I actually think they would miss Shady more in 2017 than they did in 2015 and 2016 when he missed a few because I feel significantly worse about the depth behind him.
Tyrod is 1a and Shady 1b for me. I think I'd put Hyde at 2 because he has to be the vet leader of the secondary and I put Glenn at 3 because he is 2nd only to Shady in terms of the best player on this team in my opinion. Sammy at 4, Jerry Hughes at 5.
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Why is it "controversial"? I don't find her attractive at all.
Maggie Q, yes, Kim, no.
Most people on here seem to think she is smoking hot.
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me too.
Me three. Wouldn't even think twice.
Saying pretty much any QB in his second year is hopeless doesn't really make sense. Lynch and Siemian both have a reasonable chance to be good. Having two young guys with some promise is a very very good thing for them.
Well I never felt like Lynch had much of a chance coming out. He was my "not with a barge pole" player of the 2016 draft. Siemian is a perfect stylistic fit for Kubiak and Dennison - a poor man's Matt Schaub. Let's see how he transitions into Mike McCoy's offense - I suspect not well. And the defense keeps getting older and keeps losing peices and they lost Wade.
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I agree. Their OL is among the worst and they don't know who'll be at QB. Game in Buffalo? Take the Bills.
We go through this every year. We didn't think we'd beat the rams, Cardinals or Pats* prior to the KO of last season. We did, but got swept by NYJ & MIA. No one thought that would happen either.
Not to be smug but I did think we would beat the Cardinals and the Rams. I had the Cardinals taking a big step back similar the way I have Denver doing this year. I didn't have the Jets or the Dolphins sweeping us though that is true. I like to think I am pretty good at spotting a team whose window has closed and is about to have a down year or two though and Denver is every inch that team this year.
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I think they got worse and have two hopeless Quarterbacks. 6-10 season coming up. It isn't about being optimistic for the Bills... I just see an ageing Denver team with much worse coaching and no answer at the Quarterback position.We'll see. I think you're being very optimistic indeed. They were 9-7 and they got better.
EDIT: I will go further... they will finish bottom of the AFC West and could well end up picking top 5 in the 2018 Draft. In fact I think that is going to be my bold prediction.
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Automatic loss, no. Quite likely loss to Denver, yeah, I think so and so do most.
I think we will beat Denver. It is one of our most winnable games IMO.
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@christrapasso
Dorial Green-Beckham cleared waivers. NFL teams must see maturity/work ethic issues. 6'5"/237lb WRs w/ sub 4.5 speed & sub 7.0 3-cone = rare
Can't run routes and can't catch = useless.
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Controversial view..... but Kim Pegula is not hot.
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If I had to choose between Denver being good or a disaster, id go with disaster but probably some where in between.
Same but I see sub .500. 6-10ish.
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That's not analytics, that's a useless bunch of elementary plots that wouldn't conclude any thing... ever.
Strength of schedule and it's impact on a given team must be individualized and nomrmalized so it's relative.
Strength of schedule based on prior results if impacting in any way, would surely impact the strong, weak and marginal teams quite differently- if at all.
This. Absolutely this. If people think the original post was "analytics" they don't understand what analytics means. It doesn't mean "anything with numbers".
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I think they inherited a team that was closer than it had been for many years and made som major mistakes that set us back... the biggest being Rex Ryan (who it was so obvious to some of us at the time was the wrong man).
I hope they have learned the hard way and Bean and McDermott look like a new way of working but so far besides buying the team they haven't got a lot right from a fan's perspective.
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Where would the money go? The league generates revenue, like any business. They make about $12.5B a year. Where should that money go?
To people who need it? I mean hell I am a red blooded socialist by US standards so feel free to ignore me, but....
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BTW how can this topic keep QB play on the sidelines - TT is not that good.
Because we have numerous topics on Tyrod.
Article on why 2017 passing game can make giant leap forward
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Why has this turned into an EJ Manuel discussion? He is gone, he ain't returning... he failed. Let's move on. Otherwise why don't we have a Tyrod vs Trent discussion or a Tyrod vs JP chat? Equally pointless.