GunnerBill
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And for those who only want numbers.... try the three highest passing totals in Superbowls... the most prolific passing postseason of all time, the most passing TDs in a post season, the 2nd highest career completion percentage in the post season... and being one of only 3 QBs to start Superbowls with 2 different teams.... and being one of only 3 men to throw 100 TDs for two different teams (the other two in that category are Tarkenton a HOFer and Manning a future HOFer).
He also is tied for fewest games to reach 30,000 yards tied with Marino.
Even if you want to make it a pure numbers game..... Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer.
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The only way he was forced was no NFL team wanted him, that's a far cry from forced to do anything. Not sure it was him that revitalized two teams as much as he was there at the right time when the team was able to bring in a large amount of talent. If I recall correctly, didn't he even start the season in St Louis as the backup but the starter got hurt (Trent Green was it), so Warner took over. Seem to recall everyone was mourning after they lost their starter and how a great team and season was now going to go downhill. But Warner led them to a SB win.
My biggest grip about Warner is a very short NFL career. Yes I get that it's the "Pro" Football HOF not the NFL but until someone gets voted into Canton who played their entire league in one of these other leagues, I'll base it on what he did in the NFL which to me wasn't that much. I think his story got him elected more than actually what he's done on the field.
I disagree with just about everything you wrote.
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Getting a stud do-it-all MLB would be the best case scenario, but I'm just trying to work with what we've got. I'd like to see what Zach can do in the middle behind a quality DL. As for Ragland, where I want to see him on passing downs is on the sideline. No way do I depend on him to cover a TE or RB. Remember, the Nickel is the base defense in the NFL now. That means two LBs (or one LB and a safety-LB hybrid) on the field. Zach can be one of those LBs. Ragland would be a liability.
Sorry I meant Ragland on the strong side on running downs. I was distracted when typing!
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I have no doubt there are valid arguments all around on warner, but to take into his account his NFLE and Arena stats would be ridiculous. Arena league is not the same game and NFLE, while being the same game is not the quality of the NFL. If you want to base his induction solely on his NFL career, I may not totally agree, but it's a valid argument.
totally disagree. Do we start to talk about a poor upbringing, no money to afford eqiupment.... mom or dad working multiple jobs just to afford football.... It's based on the NFL, nothing else should be taken into account.
I mean his NFL distance travelled. Like I say if you want to totally ignore story and context then you have a Hall that is basically a statistical archive. The guy became a starter in the pre-season because of injury and went from unheard of backup to MVP with a historically great offense and winning a Superbowl. That will never happen again.
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I actually think Belicheck walks away before Brady. Seeing Belichek on the sidelines appears to be frustrated a lot. A SB and he could be done. Their legacy is set and closed at that point
Belichick lives for the process. The frustration is part of it.
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It's called "The Pro Football Hall of Fame", so obviously your statement is incorrect. He led the NFLE in TD and passing for his one year there and he is in the Arena Football HOF.
As others have pointed out, he took 2 sad teams to the SB. Won a SB. Took a beating his entire NFL career. Dominant in the playoffs (compared to Peyton Manning, for instance).
Absolutely slam dunk HOF QB.
This. I also think his distance travelled HAS to be taken into account unless all the Hall serves as is a statistical archive in which case why have voters, just set an abitrary level and follow the numbers?
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You might see Zach on the inside on passing downs and Nickel/Dime/etc. packages. Ragland could take the inside on rushing downs and in the base (and bigger) defensive formation(s). Zach could play the outside when in those.
They could do that I agree but it is a band aid solution. For me Zach is a nice fit as the will Ragland is best suited to playing the strong side on early / running downs. They need a real do it all guy between them. Who knows how McDermott sees it?
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10% chance of Brady walking away. 0.1% chance of Belichick walking away.
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So whos gonna be Kuechly
I don't know. I am not sure this signing answers that question. If he does try to play Zach inside I worry about his suitability.
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he isnt kuch
but he would fill thr kuch role of the team quite nicely
I doubt he is playing the Kuechly role. Zach Brown is intended to be the Thomas Davis I'd expect playing as the Will.
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I have had money on Deion Jones being the MVP, on Hogan being the MVP and on James White scoring the first Patriots touchdown.
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You draft the right QB for the right system. These days you don't "develop" a QB. You either drafted him or, you didn't.
Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Dak Prescott, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Derek Carr, Drew Brees, are some names who were never "developed" to be the starting QB. They either took it over at training camp or were thrown into the fire because of an injury.
Not really rocket science. We're still waiting to draft the right QB, you don't "develop" one
I don't agree at all. A bunch of those guys were developed Russell Wilson didn't come into the league as the QB he is today. Nor did Big Ben, nor did Flacco. They were able to be successful as they developed because they went to teams that did a good job putting pieces around them and limited what they were asking them to do.
To say none of those 3 developed is crazy talk to me.
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Horrible news. Condolences to you abd your family. Remember him for what he was not what those demons made him.
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If TD got in, does it mean that Jamal Lewis is a HOFer as well?
I don't think he was quite as dominant but for that one year. TD had 3 dominant years. That said I wouldn't have voted TD in.
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Warner is good...not great...a few good years....5 seasons from '02-'06 didn't do much
He is great. He revitalised two moribund franchises, got the 3 Superbowls, was money in the play-offs and did it all having been forced to go to Arena Footbal and NFL Europe to make his case.
Kurt Warner is one of the most deserving HoFers in years.
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@terrellowens
HOF is a total joke. Honestly, doesn't mean anything to me to get in beyond this point.
He needs to shut up. We all agree he is right he should leave it to other people to talk for him. We will make the case. All he is doing at this point is hurting himself.
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But who do you think are the majority saying it's a weak class? Cos I don't see them. Around the halfway point in the college season there was a lot of noise that this class could be bad. But I don't really see any of the respected guys out there saying that at the moment.
EDIT: oh and Kizer will not go to San Francisco at #2. Take that to the bank. The ony person I have seen mock him there is Walt who doesn't have a clue.
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Kurt Warner is in. Well deserved.
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Greg Gabriel says ignore the noise this Quarterback class is better than the mid college season chatter.Don't encourage him!
Matt Miller has three QBs in the top 20 of his big board.
Josh Norris believe both Trubisky and Watson are potential franchise guys.
They are just three respected names I will throw out, there are more. Apart from WalterFootball and unnamed annonymous scouts who is this consensus saying this is a bad QB class?
There is no elite slam dunk QB in this class that is true but it is better in my view at the top end of the draft than last year's class. To compare this even in passing to 2013 which was just an atrocious draft all told (not just QBs) is ridiculous.
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You can keep saying its not a weak class, doesn't make it true either. This class is overwhelmingly seen as a weaker class by just about everyone...so, I will side with the majority on this one as I feel the same way. Lets face the reality around the QB's going into the draft and why its looked at as a weaker class currently:
1. Not one of them is considered an Elite QB prospect.
2. No one is even listing any QB in their top 15 prospects, and more often than not I see guys like Watson outside the top 30.
3. Not one of them has separated himself yet as the clear top QB prospect in the draft out of the top 4 guys.
4. There isn't a single guy that is labeled a lock for the top 10. I am sure one, and maybe more, will go there, out of need...but nobody has any idea which guy or guys it would be.
Now, I will say that the combine can really boost the opinions on some of these guys and the class if they come out and put on a show. But, until then, its a muddied water at QB this year and no one has emerged as a must draft guy yet. Of course, the opposite is true too...dont shine at the combine and some of these guys can fall out of the first round all together.
Who is this majority you keep referencing?
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they just look petty. There are lots of a**hole players in the HOF. TO wasn't even that bad of a person, at all.
They look petty and so does he. Yes he should be in but his constant bleating is not helping.
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By not drafting a sh**ty one from a weak QB class like this year.
You can keep saying it, it doesn't make it true.
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I know he deserves it... but the process is the process. The more he slags these people off the longer he waits.
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Unfortunately I DID NOT MAKE IT again this year. Thanks to ALL my fans & supporters. #FlawedProcess
He does realise he needs these people to vote him in doesn't he??
He isn't helping himself.
Brady and Belichick win and ride off into the sunset??
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Where do I sign for this?