GunnerBill
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That's also spoken with total disregard to the idea that Frazier will be running McDermott's scheme here.
Yea I think it will be the scheme they ran when they worked together in Philly.... but even if it is Frazier running a Tampa two I still think he deserves more respect than being talked about as if he is clueless.
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That is a question whoever plays outside for us.
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Id rather they not sign anyone who will help them to struggle less @ winning 6-7 games this season.
So no one.
Play who you got. Take your medicine. In 2018 get serious.
I'd rather that than Decker as well. I don't think Decker is a real difference maker. Maclin is though - he makes this offense so much more dangerous he might push you into playoff contention.
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Mac.... all day.
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Not only that but people have said Rex was last in and 1st out of the building. He ruined the best team we've had since 1999. Bills fans really don't understand how talented they were.
Oh believe me.... I do. Hiring Rex Ryan was the worst decision this franchise has made during the drought bar none.
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No kidding~ Is dealing with reality that hard for some...what a joke!
It is fine for Jeff to not like Frazier's style of coaching defense.... but to pretend that a guy who has coached in the league for 18 years, been a defensive coordinator in 3 different places before Buffalo and a former Head Coach (one that reached the playoffs to boot) is some clown with no credentials is the bit I find ridiculous. This isn't like some of the odd coordinator hires we have had here in the past. It made sense and, I think, I said Frazier was a likely candidate before McDermott's hiring was confirmed.
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I could see him signing some sort of minimum contract to give it a shot... if he makes the team, awesome, if he doesn't, retires as a Bill.
This. and I would 100% support the move. I also think Fred is probably done... but people have been writing Freddie Jackson off his whole career. He has always proved them wrong.
My favourite Bill of my time as a fan.
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Frazier would still be a defensive backs coach if his buddy had not hired him as Defensive Coordinator.
Head Coach in "hiring someone he has worked with before shock!!"
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When a guy is 36 years old, down years usually can't be attributed to bad luck. It could be Rivers was just unlucky last year, but it's more likely that he's in decline. As to 2015, his numbers were definitely better, but the team finished 4-12. I don't follow the Chargers and I doubt I watched a single one of their games in 2015, but I'm guessing a lot of his yards and TDs were in garbage time.
At any rate, I think Rivers is a pretty good QB, but he's certainly not one for whom I would trade much of value, at least at this point in his career. He hasn't won more than 9 games in a season since 2009, and even when he was winning a lot of games, he had a history of playing poorly in big games. In my mind, that's not a true franchise QB. Tyrod is far from perfect, but he does a lot of things well and, IMO, he's got upside, while Rivers is unquestionably in the twilight of his career. And Rivers is a statue.
To me he has been totally hung out to dry by an incompetent organisation incapable of putting pieces around him. His offensive line has been a mess, his running game inconsistent, their defense MIA and his only genuine top flight weapon constantly injured. Drew Brees has only won more than 7 games once in 5 years - he is still elite. Talent around every quarterback not name Brady or P. Manning (not even sure I have Rodgers there to be honest Green Bay has always given him a line and weapons) matters.
I've watched plenty Phil Rivers the last two seasons. I don't even think he was bad last year..... he was forcing throws in the 4th Qrtr a lot because they were always behind (9 of his 21 INTs were in the 4th) but for the same people who make excuses about Tyrod's weapons to castigate Rivers for the Chargers only winning 5 games is incredible. His top receiver last year went into the season with TWO NFL receptions to his name. Another point worth making is that Rivers left the field with the Chargers in the lead multiple times - the defense couldn't top anyone... and that is without mentioning the game against the Raiders where Rivers led them down the field for a game tying chip shot FG as time expired only for the special teams to bungle it and fumble the snap.
Not even close for me. Rivers is still a top 6 or 7 Quarterback.
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Rivers has certainly been a better QB than Taylor over his career, but that is not really relevant to whether a team should trade Taylor for him in 2017. Rivers is 36 years old and is coming off the worst season of his career, in which he threw 21 picks and led his team to a 5-11 record. The year before that, Rivers had better numbers, but the Chargers were 4-12. He is no longer a true franchise QB and there is no way I trade Taylor for him. The idea of trading TT and three number one picks for Rivers (as one person suggested) is quite possibly the most absurd idea ever floated on this board.
Well I haven't advocated them doing that. I simply said if we sign Maclin and had Rivers (pure hypothetical) then we would be a contender in a wide open AFC outside of that one team we all know about. You questioned that and said you'd rather have Taylor. Apologies if what you meant was you'd rather have Taylor than the trade... so would I at a price of 3 1sts.... but it read like you were saying all thing being equal you'd rather have Tyrod. That to me would be ridiculous.
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Is Mike Schopp in here somewhere?
Did someone say candy draft??
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Then why has San Diego never won squat in his 13 years there? I would much prefer Tyrod.
Philip Rivers is a better Quarterback than Tyrod Taylor. I'm sorry it is not even arguable. Whether we should trade for him is a different question... and I think probably no we shouldn't and it is impossible anyway..... but he is a better Quarterback than Taylor. I'm sorry to argue otherwise is ridiculous.
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Using his injury as a means to hate the draft pick is wrong though.
I disliked the pick before I knew he was injured.
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Their 1/2 punch at WR might be a Blokes special - Anderson & Quincy Enunwa.
Where did Enunwa play college ball?
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TT and 3 1sts doesn't get a nibble?
He has a no trade clause. So the reality is the Chargers don't have any choice but to reject.
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We were all over those guys pre-draft.
Blokes and I both had a R3 grade on Anderson. I had a R4 grade on Allison.
I don't remember your grade specifically, but I know we had discussions about him.
I was higher on Anderson definitely.... from memory I think I had a 4th on him and a 5th/6th on Allison. Loved Anderson from that game at the start of 2015 where Temple upset Penn State. I have no idea how he ended up undrafted. They both starred in the East-West Shrine Game... it's almost as though some NFL teams don't know what they are watching at times.
Did Listenbee have an injury history in college or is he just another victim of the Bills curse?
Nothing serious in college from memory. It wasn't a JWill situation where you are drafting a guy with a known injury issue who missed his whole senior year.
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Hammered by the usuals. Allison looked good in his rookie year, I remember a few of you guys being high on him predraft.
So did Anderson. Anderson playing with the carousel of Jets QBs - 42rec; 587yrds; 2 TDs
They can both play.... it was obvious to anyone capable of watching tape. Listenbee could run.
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And I got hammered on here a few weeks ago for suggesting anything out of him was found money...... He was a terrible pick when Roby Anderson and Geronimo Allison ended up as UDFA!
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The timeline is spelled out. BF reports done deal early last night. Some 8-9 hours later, Adam Schefter tweets that plans are being made (present tense) for a Baltimore visit.
More like 5 or 6 hours actually. I don't think the timeline is as established as you do.
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You're all missing the point completely.
If a deal was done as they reported it was DONE - he'd be just flying in to sign it. Schefter would be reporting that terms were agreed upon.
If he's leveraging still, the deal is not done. This report was WAY jumping the gun.
You don't have any evidence that the timeline you are basing that assessment on is correct. It might be. It might just be the order things appeared on twitter.
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Then why would Adam Schefter report that "plans (are) being made to visit Baltimore" long after the BF report?
Adam Schefter less reliable than Bills Fanatics? C'mon people! I want Maclin too but that's ridiculous.
Because people don't always get information at the same time...... I think you are focusing a bit too much on the timeline when we don't actually know whether the order information appeared on twitter reflects the order in which things happened in real time.
I'm not saying anyone is more reliable than anyone else. I'm just saying twitter timelines are real timelines are different beasts.
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... what?
Bills Fanatics reported the deal was done and he was flying in to sign it. Even reporting on incentives.
So you're saying that most Free Agents line up and announce other visits after agreeing to terms with a team? That's not been what i've seen in my experience.
How do you know he didn't line the Ravens visit up while he was still negotiating with the Bills and that subsequently he agreed a contract in principle and is now on his way to sign it?
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Leaving aside the fact that it is basically impossible.....
Would I as a fan? Sure. I do think with Rivers under centre we would be a playoff team this year and in a weak AFC (aside from New England) I'd give us a real shot at making the Championship game.
Would I if I put myself in Brandon Beane's shoes? No. His job is to build a sustainable franchise that can compete for the long term. Not to do what the Vikings did the first Brett Favre year and make the AFC Championship game only to follow that with 4 losing seasons in the next 5 as they scrambled back to any kind of healthy cap position.
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If Maclin signs don't be surprised if Andre Holmes doesn't end up on the 53. He was the classic kind of low price vet insurance signing that teams make pre-draft to cover themselves. If Zay and Sammy are good to go by the end of camp and Maclin is on board they could go with that as their top 3 and a combination of Brown / Butler / Tate / Powell / Listenbee to make up the back end of the depth chart at the receiver spot and to play special team. Would help them in the old comp pick formula as well.
What would you trade for Phil Rivers right now?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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He has been on some bad teams since 2010. If you put Rivers on this team we are a playoff team. No question about it in my mind. The Bills are way more talented than the Chargers. I might take maybe 4 of their guys on defense and possibly 2 on offense (aside from Rivers) over ours. If people want reasons why the Chargers haven't been good there are lots and lots of them. I challenge anyone to go back and watch their tape from the last 2 years and say one of those reasons is Rivers. He remains the best thing about that team (though I'll give Bosa his props... he is 2nd).
I can't imagine a single non-Bills fan who has looked at the tape would want Tyrod over Rivers.