GunnerBill
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Rivers has certainly been a better QB than Taylor over his career, but that is not really relevant to whether a team should trade Taylor for him in 2017. Rivers is 36 years old and is coming off the worst season of his career, in which he threw 21 picks and led his team to a 5-11 record. The year before that, Rivers had better numbers, but the Chargers were 4-12. He is no longer a true franchise QB and there is no way I trade Taylor for him. The idea of trading TT and three number one picks for Rivers (as one person suggested) is quite possibly the most absurd idea ever floated on this board.
Well I haven't advocated them doing that. I simply said if we sign Maclin and had Rivers (pure hypothetical) then we would be a contender in a wide open AFC outside of that one team we all know about. You questioned that and said you'd rather have Taylor. Apologies if what you meant was you'd rather have Taylor than the trade... so would I at a price of 3 1sts.... but it read like you were saying all thing being equal you'd rather have Tyrod. That to me would be ridiculous.
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Is Mike Schopp in here somewhere?
Did someone say candy draft??
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Then why has San Diego never won squat in his 13 years there? I would much prefer Tyrod.
Philip Rivers is a better Quarterback than Tyrod Taylor. I'm sorry it is not even arguable. Whether we should trade for him is a different question... and I think probably no we shouldn't and it is impossible anyway..... but he is a better Quarterback than Taylor. I'm sorry to argue otherwise is ridiculous.
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Using his injury as a means to hate the draft pick is wrong though.
I disliked the pick before I knew he was injured.
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Their 1/2 punch at WR might be a Blokes special - Anderson & Quincy Enunwa.
Where did Enunwa play college ball?
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TT and 3 1sts doesn't get a nibble?
He has a no trade clause. So the reality is the Chargers don't have any choice but to reject.
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We were all over those guys pre-draft.
Blokes and I both had a R3 grade on Anderson. I had a R4 grade on Allison.
I don't remember your grade specifically, but I know we had discussions about him.
I was higher on Anderson definitely.... from memory I think I had a 4th on him and a 5th/6th on Allison. Loved Anderson from that game at the start of 2015 where Temple upset Penn State. I have no idea how he ended up undrafted. They both starred in the East-West Shrine Game... it's almost as though some NFL teams don't know what they are watching at times.
Did Listenbee have an injury history in college or is he just another victim of the Bills curse?
Nothing serious in college from memory. It wasn't a JWill situation where you are drafting a guy with a known injury issue who missed his whole senior year.
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Hammered by the usuals. Allison looked good in his rookie year, I remember a few of you guys being high on him predraft.
So did Anderson. Anderson playing with the carousel of Jets QBs - 42rec; 587yrds; 2 TDs
They can both play.... it was obvious to anyone capable of watching tape. Listenbee could run.
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And I got hammered on here a few weeks ago for suggesting anything out of him was found money...... He was a terrible pick when Roby Anderson and Geronimo Allison ended up as UDFA!
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The timeline is spelled out. BF reports done deal early last night. Some 8-9 hours later, Adam Schefter tweets that plans are being made (present tense) for a Baltimore visit.
More like 5 or 6 hours actually. I don't think the timeline is as established as you do.
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You're all missing the point completely.
If a deal was done as they reported it was DONE - he'd be just flying in to sign it. Schefter would be reporting that terms were agreed upon.
If he's leveraging still, the deal is not done. This report was WAY jumping the gun.
You don't have any evidence that the timeline you are basing that assessment on is correct. It might be. It might just be the order things appeared on twitter.
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Then why would Adam Schefter report that "plans (are) being made to visit Baltimore" long after the BF report?
Adam Schefter less reliable than Bills Fanatics? C'mon people! I want Maclin too but that's ridiculous.
Because people don't always get information at the same time...... I think you are focusing a bit too much on the timeline when we don't actually know whether the order information appeared on twitter reflects the order in which things happened in real time.
I'm not saying anyone is more reliable than anyone else. I'm just saying twitter timelines are real timelines are different beasts.
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... what?
Bills Fanatics reported the deal was done and he was flying in to sign it. Even reporting on incentives.
So you're saying that most Free Agents line up and announce other visits after agreeing to terms with a team? That's not been what i've seen in my experience.
How do you know he didn't line the Ravens visit up while he was still negotiating with the Bills and that subsequently he agreed a contract in principle and is now on his way to sign it?
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Leaving aside the fact that it is basically impossible.....
Would I as a fan? Sure. I do think with Rivers under centre we would be a playoff team this year and in a weak AFC (aside from New England) I'd give us a real shot at making the Championship game.
Would I if I put myself in Brandon Beane's shoes? No. His job is to build a sustainable franchise that can compete for the long term. Not to do what the Vikings did the first Brett Favre year and make the AFC Championship game only to follow that with 4 losing seasons in the next 5 as they scrambled back to any kind of healthy cap position.
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If Maclin signs don't be surprised if Andre Holmes doesn't end up on the 53. He was the classic kind of low price vet insurance signing that teams make pre-draft to cover themselves. If Zay and Sammy are good to go by the end of camp and Maclin is on board they could go with that as their top 3 and a combination of Brown / Butler / Tate / Powell / Listenbee to make up the back end of the depth chart at the receiver spot and to play special team. Would help them in the old comp pick formula as well.
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You Americans have funny attitudes towards sports betting.
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I just don't understand your response. Whether he or his brother had a bombastic or meek personality traits they had no bearing in this incident in which happened to them. The brothers didn't instigate anything. My point in my prior post is regardless what one thinks of them as coaches or people that neither one of them acted inappropriately. For me it is just a small issue of fairness.
I've never grabbed someone by the throat in a bar. So maybe my tolerance level for being bumped into is just higher?
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From the links that have been shown what did the brothers do wrong? Rex was pushed by a punk and the brother responded in a reasonable manner. What does their chaotic coaching style have to do with this incident in the bar? There was no one who was more critical than I was regarding Rex and his "coaching show". Alluding to this bar scene to their incompetence on the sidelines is not only off base but unfair. There are plenty of reasons to criticize Rex as a coach. Associating this pushing and shoving match which they didn't initiate is unfair.
It is part of his overall bombastic personality. I don't suggest it makes him a worse coach.... the two are unrelated but part of his failure as a coach was his personality. I couldn't stand the man before he arrived in Buffalo, or while he was here or now once he has left.
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You see I have respect for you Peter because you were a Rex guy when he was here and are still defending him. I think you were wrong then and wrong now but when I look around this thread I see more than one person who spent a lot of time on here defending the Ryans over the past 2 years now joining in the criticism of their character with no sense of irony. Rex (and Rob) are who they have always been. Rex is the same guy now as he was the day he told us "we're going." Clown show then, clown show now, clown show forever.
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Where'd you get your numbers? Spotrac has the Bills at $12.3M in space for the top 51 as of now.
A few of the sites were slow allocating the Hodges and Streeter money so was probably that.
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Mike G. veteran running back in the league
Jon Williams.....rookie coming off of full year not playing due to injury?
Do we not take this into account when making this comparison?
The concerns are legitimate based on tape. Can we "project" on JWill? Sure. But you shouldn't expect that everyone is going to do that.
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I have seen him do this but I think your right in that he becomes a runner when he decides to pull the ball down.....in which case it becomes BETTER for the receiver to turn blocker
Holmes is actually a willing and pretty good blocker. Maybe not Bob Woods level but pretty good all the same.
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So we could of easily afforded an extra couple of million for Mike Gillislee ! What a waste. Would be interested to know whether that was a Whaley decision or a McDermott decision.
And an absolute NO to Byrd. Suspect his foot injury might flare up again.
Whaley made no decisions this offseason.
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While I understand Not overpaying Woods, I think you severely undervalue what Woods brought to the game for the Bills. Not just as a receiver, but as a blocker for Taylor and the running game when the pass plays broke down. Which happened way too often. Jones is already hurt, and is a total question mark at receiver until we see him in the regular season. He is a glimmer of hope, but as this point is just a dream, not a reality. Neither Holmes or Brown has shown themselves to be a #2 WR, much less a # 3. Maybe one could outperform their history and become a decent #3 (Goodwin's replacement). But based on their past history, they could also both end up being #4 talent as well.
Holmes is an upgrade on Goodwin. There is no question about that. His best career year is way better than Goodwin's. My concern is more that I see all 3 of our best WRs - Sammy, Holmes and Zay as outside guys. I know Blokes saw Zay more as a slot receiver so maybe he ends up in there.... maybe they move Sammy around.... but it does concern me a little bit. If Sammy stays healthy I think Jones and Holmes bring enough support for him (with a good dose of Clay and Shady as a receiver). It is if Sammy goes down and Zay and Holmes become your 1-2 that I really worry.
What would you trade for Phil Rivers right now?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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To me he has been totally hung out to dry by an incompetent organisation incapable of putting pieces around him. His offensive line has been a mess, his running game inconsistent, their defense MIA and his only genuine top flight weapon constantly injured. Drew Brees has only won more than 7 games once in 5 years - he is still elite. Talent around every quarterback not name Brady or P. Manning (not even sure I have Rodgers there to be honest Green Bay has always given him a line and weapons) matters.
I've watched plenty Phil Rivers the last two seasons. I don't even think he was bad last year..... he was forcing throws in the 4th Qrtr a lot because they were always behind (9 of his 21 INTs were in the 4th) but for the same people who make excuses about Tyrod's weapons to castigate Rivers for the Chargers only winning 5 games is incredible. His top receiver last year went into the season with TWO NFL receptions to his name. Another point worth making is that Rivers left the field with the Chargers in the lead multiple times - the defense couldn't top anyone... and that is without mentioning the game against the Raiders where Rivers led them down the field for a game tying chip shot FG as time expired only for the special teams to bungle it and fumble the snap.
Not even close for me. Rivers is still a top 6 or 7 Quarterback.