GunnerBill
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Be afraid Jameis.... be very afraid. The Fitz hoodoo is real.
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It would be nice to have other discussions than just quarterback. However, there are a significant portion of fans that have their mind made up that Tyrod is not the answer and it would be a monumental task on his part to wins those folks over.
I am not in that camp. I am certainly winnable for Tyrod.
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If it were otherwise, they wouldn't have brought in Gary Barnidge. Enough said!
I think Barnidge is still out there too, so he remains in play.
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I'm glad you at least sorta kinda maybe understand what I've been arguing about.
Maybe now you can accept that what you're arguing are not, in fact, facts.
I've understood what you have been arguing about the whole time. It just doesn't hold any water.
The Bills do not view Tyrod Taylor currently as the Quarterback of the future unless by future you mean 2017 season. I think we have sufficient evidence for that be indisputable. I don't know what more proof you would require. But I suspect nothing would pursuade you. #CoT.
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I have more faith in McDermott than Badol... I have said many times I think had the Panthers not made the Superbowl last year he'd have been a Head Coach last year. I like his resume and I like his approach.
But you can't look at the Pegulas process to get to this point and tell me it was classic management. The McDermott hire may end up being the moment the tide turned for them in Buffalo but if it doesn't work out there are legitimate questions (again) about their process which in 3 or 4 or 5 years people will be entitled to ask.
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It is the one position where I am really content with our depth.
A top 8 LT
A top 10/12 LG
A solid starting C
An improving young RG
A decent lookig rookie prospect RT
Then:
A proven inside swing guy
A backup C who has started in the league for a playoff team
A back up "specialist" at LT (if CK's head is right)
A back up RT
They could legitimately keep 9 because there are other areas where we have paper thin depth. O Line will be our strongest group going into camp.
Hey it has worked for Dallas. I think our line was a top 10 unit last year. If Dawkins is an upgrade on Miller and Cordy is back at 100% it could be pushing top 5 this time.
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Joe Thomas is certainly a Hall of Famer in my eyes. First ballot? Maybe not... but he will definitely go in, and should. Been outstanding for so long.
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But this was never about me thinking or (here's a hint to bring you back) saying Taylor is the QB of the future
No it was about you saying that the Bills think he is. Despite cutting his contract in half and taking $10m off him over the next two years (and that is minimum by the way... if they cut ties after this year - which I don't think they will - he will have gone from basically having $40.5m guaranteed over two years to $15.5m).
Despit that you assert that it is a reasonable interpretation based on the fact that McDermott decided not to cut Tyrod this offseason but to retain him on vastly inferior term that the Bills view Tyrod as their Quarterback of the future.
Well I have been back 20 years and can't find a single example where a team has done that with a guy that was or became a Franchise Quarterback for them. Therefore I am afraid I don't find your interpretation reasonable I find it a reach. Sorry if that in your world that makes me a crusader. But this is no crusade. It is simply following the money.
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Yes. Clearly you are guilt free. That is simply inarguable...
He might not be a crusader, but it's pretty clear he's crusading that something is a fact or is "inarguable" when, in fact, it's not.
The issue here is you aren't even keeping track of this argument. No one, and I mean NO ONE is saying that Tyrod Taylor IS a Franchise Quarterback.
EVERYONE is saying we need to see more and he needs to produce better than 2016. And a good deal better than 2016 if he wants McDermott to keep him as his future QB and not draft a guy in the 1st next year.
If that's what you think I've been arguing about, let's just forget it.
But understand that you are CONSTANTLY talking about things that are NOT fact as though they ARE facts. And you keep on saying it. And you apparently don't listen to the other side of the argument. Evidently the only "reasonable" arguments are those you agree with because right in this post you call certain pro-Tyrod positions unreasonable as you slip words of speculation like "forced" into an otherwise purely factual statement trying to let yet another opinion slide as fact while discrediting those wacky pro-Tyrod posters.
Okay so firstly... you think Tyrod juat said "sure take $10m away why not?" He took that pay cut because he had to not because he wanted to. This was his best chance to start for a potentially competitive team next year. Period.
Second... you are claiming Tyrod is a the Quarterback of the future. That means you think he is a Franchise Quarterback or is going to be. The two are one and the same to me. A Quarterback of the future is a guy so good you stop looking.
If you think Quarterback of the future just means starter this year and possibly next then sure, he is a Quarterback of the future. To me that is not what the term means.
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Dude, you're speculating. Continue to argue that your speculation is fact if you want. Keep crusading with that if you want.
Crusading? Me?
Am I the one not listening to reasonable evidence? There is only one side crusading here and it is the cult.
I have been on this board 4 or 5 years and enjoyed every moment of it. Never had a word from a MOD, never been accused of crusading. But I am afraid this offseason I have just about had my fill of the CoT.
It has made this board borderline unreasonable at times and in my opinion has not been handled fairly at all. People who are genuinely anti-TT (and I am not) have been banned and suspended and yet people who are equally obstructive to genuine debate by grounding themselves in frankly unreasonable pro-Tyrod positions (like "they think he is a Franchise QB and yet forced him into a $10m pay cut) are allowed to do so.
Ban me if that is what people want to do. It is frankly ridiculous. If you can't make an evidence based assertion against Tyrod Taylor as a Franchise Quarterback without being labelled a crusader then this place may as well be run by the Bills top brass like BBMB (which incidently I tried for 3 weeks before finding this place).
There is crusading going unabated in this thread alright but I sure as hell promise you it isn't coming from me.
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I think we should wait for the franchise QB who take a $10M paycheck
In which case Tyrod would be our Quarterback at age 50 and the cult would be thrilled.
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4 years. This year. Next year. Franchise tag twice like the 'Skins just did with Cousins.
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Okay fine. The Redskins are not sold on Cousins either. If they were convinced he is a Franchise QB you don't think they'd have paid him by now?
Cousins is at the upper end of the same group I put Tyrod in. Guys you can make the playoffs with but you can't win a Championship with.
If we keep Tyrod on two tags it means after 6 years as the Bills starter they would still not be convinced he is a franchise QB. I'll give you $100 if that happens.
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Indeed dneveu. And you will never find a post from me dissing Greg Roman as play designer. I personally believe him to be the best run game coordinator in the NFL. His passing game was a little basic but he had the most varied, most developed run game in the league.
He needed to be a better play caller on gameday at times, but he could design an offense. No question about that.
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3 years. Not 4. His new contract is 2 years he is franchise eligible in 2019.How are they risking losing him?
Taylor is our's for the next 4 years if he's playing to the level where the Bills want to franchise him. This is the best contract the Bills could ask for.
Shaw thinks this contract is a win for Taylor based on what his agent friend said. And while I respect his opinion and credibility and do think Taylor is "betting on himself" to a certain degree, I think Taylor wanted to stay with the Bills more than some folks are willing to accept (because pro athletes go where the most money is!) and he showed his hand the moment he opened himself to restructuring on clean out day. It's the whole art of the deal thing... once he showed any level of willingness, of course McDermott is going to try to get him to take less money if he can free up money at other positions of need. It's not like he's built a significant relationship with Taylor that can't be repaired.
Sorry, but that's just what I think happened. And it's reasonable even if you disagree. Your opinion is reasonable, too, even though I disagree. What's irritating is when posters say that an opinion is unarguable when, in fact, it's merely speculation.
As for it being speculation to disagree. Find me one more example in the last 20 years of the NFL where a team has reduced the cash number of a guy they are treating as a Franchise QB by $10m. Not where they lowered an annual cap hit but where they lowered the cash a guy would receive. I can't think of a single one.
Maybe you believe the Bills have set a new trend of successfully lowballing their QB of the future? Personally I find that interpretation incredible. The truth is they see him as the best option now and long term as a bridge.
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This is completely ridiculous. There is nobody on this team that even is CLOSE to taking the job from TT even if it was an open competition.
Yeah, it's a great soundbyte, but in terms of people arguing about it and trying to determine the meaning it's irrelevant.
Tyrod is far better than anyone else we currently have and will be starting barring injury.
I think the argument broadened out..... that argument you are absolutely right is ridiculous. For 2017 Tyrod is unquestionably the Quarterback. I hope he has an outstanding year, I will be rooting for him every week. For those who accuse me of hating him and rooting against him because I don't think he is a franchise Quarterback or the Quarterback of the future I give you me standing on my feet at 4.30am in the morning waking up the neighbours as he led us on that final drive at Seattle last year. So gutting we couldn't punch it in. I really thought we were going to pinch one there.
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#Bills OC Rick Dennison on the RB depth: We lost a player.... but we're going to count on Jonathan [Williams] and Cedric [O'Neal]
My "bold prediction" is that O'Neal ends up ahead of Williams on the depth chart.
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Did you ever listen to Pat Kirwin speak of his time as GM John? He refers to Pete Carroll as "his boss." It isn't unprecedented to have a head coach calling the shots. What seems strange (at least imo) is a relatively inexperienced man like McDermott doing so. And I have no idea if it will work out. I am on record as not being too thrilled by this draft. Not at all, but it's hard for me to picture a worse situation that Rex/Whaley. Those 2 were almost as disgraceful as Levy/Jauron.
I don't think Kirwan was a GM.... I think he was the Director of Player Personnel. I am like you though in that I have no problem calling the shots. This still feels to me like McDermott's show and Beane is here to run the best personnel department he can and get McDermott the advice and information he can... but this team is going to be built McDermott's way. Luckily his GM knows what that way is and what the vision should be at certain positions. I prefer having McDermott as the man in charge rather than the flat structure that preceded it where left hand and right weren't pulling in the same direction.
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They would win.
Haha.... "nobody wins more than me folks.... I beat ChiNA all the time.... I beat them all the time"
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Not sure where you are getting your info from...his numbers compare pretty favorably to many other high value #2 receivers over the past few years and he played in a run first offense that didn't throw a lot of passes...
Yea I suppose that is right. I just felt like his talents were below average (not that fast, good but not great hands, didn't get great separation) but it is a fair challenge matter - his production was right in that Sanu / Marvin Jones territory - hence he got paid as such.
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It is time we moved on from this marginal tackle. He has been a stop gap player at left tackle that we have come to rely on. He looks good because all others have been worse. The level of performance when healthy is not enough to win with. Remaining healthy has been only one of the issues. Just the best of a bad lot.
Absolute nonsense. There are literally about 5 tackles that have performed as consistently well as Cordy since he entered the NFL. Marginal? Absolute rubbish.
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He is our most underrated player among fans I feel. We are much better when Cordy is on the field.
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I think the point is you can make a realistic case for 7 or 8 teams in the NFC.... but only 3 or maybe 4 in the AFC (New England, Pittsburgh, Oakland if Carr comes back as good, Houston if Watson wins the job and gives them better than average Quarterback play).
The NFC has achieved parity..... I hope Brady p****s off soon so that the AFC can do the same.
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Yep....exactly how I see it too. It makes the most logical sense. McD wanted Taylor over the likes of a Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer....
And Cutler and Kaepernick and RGIII and Fitzpatrick and over starting a rookie week 1. That to me is not in question. McDermott felt Tyrod was a better choice than all those alternatives. So if you want to limit "the future" to the next year then McDermott absolutely believes Tyrod is his guy of the future. To me the future means the guy that you think is good enough that you stop looking and start loading up around him to make a Superbowl run.
EDIT: And that is my 9,000 post on TBD. I hope you've all enjoyed them.
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When healthy I also thought Woods was a fine number 2
Problem was....last 2 years he has not been healthy
He was a good #2 for this team in a run first offense because he was a really good and willing blocker. As a #2 receiving option? He was below average.
Predict the starting O-line
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Miller was ranked 60th by PFF his rookie year but was ranked 29th by the same metric last year.
Only 5 other teams had 2 guards ranked in the top 30. So I think it is pretty safe to say Miller doesn't suck. He is a very good run blocker, an average pass blocker... but there was an improvement in his pass blocking year 1 to year 2. If there is another improvement (even if slight) year 2 to year 3 he will be on the cusp of being a top 20 guard.