GunnerBill
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3 years. Not 4. His new contract is 2 years he is franchise eligible in 2019.How are they risking losing him?
Taylor is our's for the next 4 years if he's playing to the level where the Bills want to franchise him. This is the best contract the Bills could ask for.
Shaw thinks this contract is a win for Taylor based on what his agent friend said. And while I respect his opinion and credibility and do think Taylor is "betting on himself" to a certain degree, I think Taylor wanted to stay with the Bills more than some folks are willing to accept (because pro athletes go where the most money is!) and he showed his hand the moment he opened himself to restructuring on clean out day. It's the whole art of the deal thing... once he showed any level of willingness, of course McDermott is going to try to get him to take less money if he can free up money at other positions of need. It's not like he's built a significant relationship with Taylor that can't be repaired.
Sorry, but that's just what I think happened. And it's reasonable even if you disagree. Your opinion is reasonable, too, even though I disagree. What's irritating is when posters say that an opinion is unarguable when, in fact, it's merely speculation.
As for it being speculation to disagree. Find me one more example in the last 20 years of the NFL where a team has reduced the cash number of a guy they are treating as a Franchise QB by $10m. Not where they lowered an annual cap hit but where they lowered the cash a guy would receive. I can't think of a single one.
Maybe you believe the Bills have set a new trend of successfully lowballing their QB of the future? Personally I find that interpretation incredible. The truth is they see him as the best option now and long term as a bridge.
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This is completely ridiculous. There is nobody on this team that even is CLOSE to taking the job from TT even if it was an open competition.
Yeah, it's a great soundbyte, but in terms of people arguing about it and trying to determine the meaning it's irrelevant.
Tyrod is far better than anyone else we currently have and will be starting barring injury.
I think the argument broadened out..... that argument you are absolutely right is ridiculous. For 2017 Tyrod is unquestionably the Quarterback. I hope he has an outstanding year, I will be rooting for him every week. For those who accuse me of hating him and rooting against him because I don't think he is a franchise Quarterback or the Quarterback of the future I give you me standing on my feet at 4.30am in the morning waking up the neighbours as he led us on that final drive at Seattle last year. So gutting we couldn't punch it in. I really thought we were going to pinch one there.
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#Bills OC Rick Dennison on the RB depth: We lost a player.... but we're going to count on Jonathan [Williams] and Cedric [O'Neal]
My "bold prediction" is that O'Neal ends up ahead of Williams on the depth chart.
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Did you ever listen to Pat Kirwin speak of his time as GM John? He refers to Pete Carroll as "his boss." It isn't unprecedented to have a head coach calling the shots. What seems strange (at least imo) is a relatively inexperienced man like McDermott doing so. And I have no idea if it will work out. I am on record as not being too thrilled by this draft. Not at all, but it's hard for me to picture a worse situation that Rex/Whaley. Those 2 were almost as disgraceful as Levy/Jauron.
I don't think Kirwan was a GM.... I think he was the Director of Player Personnel. I am like you though in that I have no problem calling the shots. This still feels to me like McDermott's show and Beane is here to run the best personnel department he can and get McDermott the advice and information he can... but this team is going to be built McDermott's way. Luckily his GM knows what that way is and what the vision should be at certain positions. I prefer having McDermott as the man in charge rather than the flat structure that preceded it where left hand and right weren't pulling in the same direction.
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They would win.
Haha.... "nobody wins more than me folks.... I beat ChiNA all the time.... I beat them all the time"
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Not sure where you are getting your info from...his numbers compare pretty favorably to many other high value #2 receivers over the past few years and he played in a run first offense that didn't throw a lot of passes...
Yea I suppose that is right. I just felt like his talents were below average (not that fast, good but not great hands, didn't get great separation) but it is a fair challenge matter - his production was right in that Sanu / Marvin Jones territory - hence he got paid as such.
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It is time we moved on from this marginal tackle. He has been a stop gap player at left tackle that we have come to rely on. He looks good because all others have been worse. The level of performance when healthy is not enough to win with. Remaining healthy has been only one of the issues. Just the best of a bad lot.
Absolute nonsense. There are literally about 5 tackles that have performed as consistently well as Cordy since he entered the NFL. Marginal? Absolute rubbish.
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He is our most underrated player among fans I feel. We are much better when Cordy is on the field.
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I think the point is you can make a realistic case for 7 or 8 teams in the NFC.... but only 3 or maybe 4 in the AFC (New England, Pittsburgh, Oakland if Carr comes back as good, Houston if Watson wins the job and gives them better than average Quarterback play).
The NFC has achieved parity..... I hope Brady p****s off soon so that the AFC can do the same.
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Yep....exactly how I see it too. It makes the most logical sense. McD wanted Taylor over the likes of a Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer....
And Cutler and Kaepernick and RGIII and Fitzpatrick and over starting a rookie week 1. That to me is not in question. McDermott felt Tyrod was a better choice than all those alternatives. So if you want to limit "the future" to the next year then McDermott absolutely believes Tyrod is his guy of the future. To me the future means the guy that you think is good enough that you stop looking and start loading up around him to make a Superbowl run.
EDIT: And that is my 9,000 post on TBD. I hope you've all enjoyed them.
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When healthy I also thought Woods was a fine number 2
Problem was....last 2 years he has not been healthy
He was a good #2 for this team in a run first offense because he was a really good and willing blocker. As a #2 receiving option? He was below average.
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I have no doubt McDermott thinks Tyrod is the best option NOW and bringing in an OC he knows (not McDermott's 1st choice it has to be said) is largely about setting Tyrod up to be comfortable and succeed. That is equally inarguable and I have never doubted that he will start this year or argued that Peterman is suddenly going to beat him out or any of that. Others might have. I haven't. Tyrod Taylor is the Bills starting Quarterback in 2017 and, barring a dramatic regression, going into 2018 too.
But you have to accept that if McDermott really believed he was the Quarterback of the future "the guy" who is going to lead us to Championships he would not have slashed his contract in half and cut his pay for the duration of that contract by $10m. That just doesn't make sense.
There are essentially the 3 scenarios I laid out. The actions of the Bills this offseason absolutely chime with a team that believes option A while keeping a residual hope that option B transpires.
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I haven't heard anything about whether or not McDermott is an analytics guy or not. I really don't want to see good schemes ruined by poor in-game decision making. He's an Andy Reid disciple, and while Reid is damn good at Xs and Os, he is a poor decision-maker when it comes to 4th downs, punting, FGs, etc.
Dennison seem to be a very good fit for Tyrod and our running game...but if we've got a 4th and 2 from the opponent's 41 and punt, or if we're down by 5 late, score a TD and kick the XP, I'm going to lose my ****.
I don't know any coach who doesn't go for two in the latter scenario. They all start playing the percentages that late in the game. As to the 4th and 2 from the 41... I am a believer that there is no definitive right and wrong. You have to make a decision based on the game situation and what you know about your team. Marrone got hammered a lot on here for punting on 4th down but normally he made the right call. He had an insipid offense and a defense that was very very good. Teams rarely went 80 yards and scored on them. In those situations sometimee you have to accept that as much as you want to be aggressive you team isn't built to win that way.
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Taking one line from an interview where the Head Coach and GM row back minutes later and ignoring the hard evidence of their actions is definitely cultish.
There have been people banned and suspended from this forum for repeated criticism of Taylor this offseason and yet from where I am standing the cultish behaviour goes on unabated. It is just as harmful to genuine debate on the subject.
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for all the inarguables stated in this thread, there sure seems to be an awful lot of arguing.
That is because many can't separate emotion from evidence.
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It's inarguable to say that the Bills don't view Tyrod Taylor as the QB of the future even though McDermott, when asked directly if the QB of the future is on the roster currently, his immediate response was "He is. In Tyrod Taylor." ...
It is when moments later he rowed back massively from that statement and when you look at the actual action of an offseason in which that same coach had personnel control and they halved Taylor's contract and gave him, in real terms, a $10m paycut for the next two years.
In what world are they the actions of a man who thinks he has his QB of the future?
I repeat again, that is not to say that if my option B above plays out the Bills couldn't still change their mind and give Tyrod a 3rd new deal in three years.
But judging the Bills on their actions and to an extent their words this offseason they judge Tyrod Taylor as a bridge. It really is inarguable.
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D. We dont know yet
Of course we don't know... that is the point... what are we supposed to do? Not discuss the possible scenarios?
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I think that pretty well covers it, but I'm a little more optimistic than you are that we will be closer to scenario 1 than to the other two.
I am very confident it will be the first scenario. I'd put the chances of A at 75% and then split the difference between B and C.
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Really impressive group of guys, all young, all hungry, all good pedigree.
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He has Colt in blue
Yea Colt is a likey in my mind.
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Jon Williams is making the team (imo)
I still expect them to add a running back at some stage and then I think Williams is vulnerable to the young guys behind.
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Nice stuff Gunner. Some changes I would personally make
Nick O'Leary in blue
Jordan Mills in red
Leonard Johnson in red
Colton Schmidt in red
Yea I can see the argument for all of those. I had O'Leary in Blue at one point but I still think they will try and add a Tight End if one shakes loose.
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This is my annual attempt to track the chances of players to make the final 53. I always do one early May and then adjust a couple of times as we go. Not all 90 are included and you can assume that I think anyone not in the list at this stage is a longshot, but this year is probably less predictable than the last couple. So I expect this to look nothing like my final prediction the week before final cuts. Players are categorised as below:
BLACK = Certain to be on the roster if healthy
BLUE = Likely to be on the roster if healthy
RED = Fighting for a roster spot
Quarterback
Tyrod Taylor
Nathan Peterman
TJ Yates
Cardale Jones
Josh Woodrum
Fullback
Patrick DiMarco
Mike Tolbert
Running Back
LeSean McCoy
Jonathan Williams
Cedric O'Neal
Joe Banyard
Jordan Johnson
Wide Receiver
Sammy Watkins
Zay Jones
Andre Holmes
Corey Brown
Jeremy Butler
Walt Powell
Brandon Tate
Kolby Listenbee
Dez Lewis
Tight End
Charles Clay
Nick O’Leary
Logan Thomas
Blake Annen
Offensive Line
Cordy Glenn
Richie Incognito
Eric Wood
John Miller
Jordan Mills
Ryan Groy
Dion Dawkins
Cyrus Kouandjio
Seantrel Henderson
Patrick Lewis
Vlad Ducasse
Defensive Line
Marcell Dareus
Kyle Williams
Shaq Lawson
Jerry Hughes
Adolphus Washington
Jerel Worthy
Ryan Davis
Max Valles
Marquavius Lewis
Linebacker
Reggie Ragland
Preston Brown
Lorenzo Alexander
Ramon Humber
Matt Milano
Tanner Vallejo
Carl Bradford
Corner
Tre'Davious White
Ron Darby
Kevon Seymour
Leonard Johnson
Shareece Wright
Charles James
Joe Powell
Charles Gaines
Safety
Micah Hyde
Jordan Poyer
Colt Anderson
Trae Elston
Jonathan Dowling
Shamiel Gray
Specialists
Steven Hauschka
Colton Schmidt
Reid Ferguson
Austin Rehkow
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trantsplantbillsfan has always looked at Taylor as the best option available which is true in IMO.
Since the contract renegotiation so have I. I was 50/50 on whether he was the best option on the old deal.
Tyrod will not be handed starting Job
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Indeed dneveu. And you will never find a post from me dissing Greg Roman as play designer. I personally believe him to be the best run game coordinator in the NFL. His passing game was a little basic but he had the most varied, most developed run game in the league.
He needed to be a better play caller on gameday at times, but he could design an offense. No question about that.