GunnerBill
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Sign me up for signing him up...... if we could just find a safety somewhere....
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It's interesting (ironic, even) that you, who are incessantly bemoaning the Bills' failure to use draft picks on QBs, are holding up as a shining example the Kansas City Chiefs, a franchise that has gone more than 30 years (and counting) without winning a single game with a quarterback that it drafted.
Yea KC have been terrible at drafting QBs and have had all their successful years by acquiring guys from elsewhere - Montana, Green, Cassel and now Smith. But I think John is praising their process as much as their pick.
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What is often forgotten in the qb discussion is that the most propitious time to draft a qb is when you already have an "acceptable" starting qb. One of the worst ways of handling most young qbs is throwing them into the fray when they are not ready. In a discussion with the AlphaDog he took the position that taking Mahomes was a gratuitous act because they already had a starting qb and should have used their pick to select a good positional prospect. I take the opposite position. When you are not in a desperate position that is the time to exhibit foresight and put your team in a good position to make the seamless transition to a better qb.
As you well know the argument that is used is justifying delaying in selecting a qb is that the next year's crop is better. The Bills have not had a legitimate franchise qb in almost a quarter century. Yet that argument continues to be used. It makes little sense. The reality is that the teams that took the first three qbs in this draft acted aggressively by giving up picks to acquire them. They all exhibited an urgency and resoluteness that the floundering Bills haven't exhibited during its past generation of failure. And that is not a coincidence, it is a consequence of its perplexing passive attitude in addressing an issue that has held this franchise back.
You are preaching to the converted here John as you are aware. Agree with all of that.
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Actually at this time last year the 2017 QB class was seen as being Watson, Kizer, Kaaya and Kelly. The general consensus was 1 star (Watson) and better depth than 2016.And yet we all belived that Mahomes, Watson, Kizer etc would produce more successful NFL QB's than the group in the 2016 class.
That belief changes, fast. Usually when the fanbase and team is actually faced with the prospect of taking a QB.
Kaaya went in the 6th and Kelly the 7th. It just shows how perspectives change. I think one of the supposed 2018 top 3 now (Darnold, Rosen and Allen) will end up picked after the 1st round next year. My guess is Rosen who has been really unimpressive when I have watched him to this point but I don't evaluate a year ahead. The only one of these guys I had started on was Rudolph when it looked like he might declare for 2017.
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Not a fan of Jackson, but hey he's got a year to prove me wrong haha. I know you were high on this year's class, I think one may end up decent. Simply a difference in evals.
I wasn't so much high on them.... I did think they were criminally underrated by the talking heads. I expect the top 4 to end up looking like 2014 - a star, a solid game manager type, another borderline starter and one total bust. Nobody was whaling for months before about how bad the 2014 class was going to be.
I'll be honest the comparisons between 2013 and 2017 really annoyed me. I never saw a shred of truth in it. There was simply too much good there on tape.
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While we can't be sure yet which ones will come out, my point is that I believe that the group of Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Browning, Mayfield, Rudolph, and Falk will produce more successful NFL QBs than this year's group regardless of how many are taken in the top 12.
Lamar Jackson possibly too? Look there could be good Quarterbacks in that 2018 class, but there were good Quarterbacks in this 2017 class as well. And passing on them because there might be more to shoot at next year to me is not a sound strategy. If you think all the ones in 2017 suck - fine. I am pretty confident you will be proven wrong though. The Bills constant punting on picking Quarterbacks always waiting for the next great one to fall in their laps is a bad strategy.
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I can see them parting company with Clay next year. Designate him as a post 1 June cut and spread the $9m hit over 2 years. He has not been a great signing for the money.
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Does anyone ever celebrate when a factory is shut down? No, because they don't have the emotional investment that they have in the Bills. It is not different though. It is an bunch of people that have to figure out how to pay their mortgage, take care of their kids and pay their bills. That's how it is different than a coach or QB being replaced. They don't have those dilemmas. It sucks that they have lost their job but their mortgages will be paid. No one is sensitive when the CEO that ran a company into the ground gets a golden parachute. Some people NEED their job more than others.
The ESPN layoffs are an example where I fee for them but not the same. They released a lot of highly compensated people that have reached the pinnacle of their profession (regardless of what you think of ESPN). They will all land on their feet. While it's sad to have to uproot your family and to sever the relationships that you have, they will be okay. A low level scout may not be able to pay June rent. It would work the same way if ESPN cut a production assistant instead of Ed Werder. I'd feel for Ed but more for the production assistant. Wouldn't you?
Correct Kirby. Equally a low level scout who has only been in the Bills personnel department for say a year having battled to get his foot in the door on the scouting ladder doing unpaid intern work might now be faced with the prospect that his career in NLF scouting is over. Jim Monos, Rob Hanrahan and Calvin Fisher will have no issue getting jobs. They have reputations and track records and will have opportunities to continue working in the league if that is what they want to do. The low level scouts are probably relying on one of those guys getting jobs and being willing to take them along for the ride. Otherwise it might be curtains. I don't know how anyone celebrates that, whether they know the people involved or not.
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We will get nada
Rookie HC/GM mistake
I like that we have an extra 1st round pick in 2018
But since our Bills and our new rookie HC/GM likes to trade up as much as our old GM
We could have really used that extra 3rd and 4th round comp pick for having lost Gilmore and Woods
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The truth is we don't know yet. If all the free agents signed make the team the chances are we get nothing. I still doubt they all make the team and it is possible that some of our old guys we don't think make the formula end up making the formula based on people who count above them ending up not making the rosters of the teams they were signed by and/or by surprising overproduction. At the moment - based on current qualifying projections - we have gained one more than we lost and would not get a comp pick. If either Ducasse or Davis doesn't make the team or Hunter even slightly over performs (so has the kind of year he had last year) we would be at a net 0 and maybe get a 6th or 7th rounder. The best case scenario for us is that Ducasse AND Davis don't make our team and Hunter's production / people being cut ahead of him bumps him up over the line into the list of qualifying UFAs. In that scenario I think we might be in line for a 4th and a 7th..... but that is a best case scenario.... and might be a stretch.
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No they absolutely shouldn't. He is the best option we have this season and on this deal I am absolutely comfortable with him as our Quarterback in 2017. I'd have still take a shot on one at #10 though.
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Bills have fired 17 members of their scouting department, including Buddy Nix. Now only 2 personnel assistants listed on official website.
Buddy Nix left any official role with the Bills after the 2014 season. Rodak needs a fact check.
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At one point Kizer was considered the guy likely to go first, and went last out of the top 4.
Not this again? I asked you to prove this in January and February and you weren't able. Other than Walterfootball (who is clueless) nobody thought Kizer was going to be the first Quarterback picked.
Jeffismagic wants to validate Mahomes as the next great thing before putting his cleats on just because Chiefs traded up for him and will use any piece of news he can to sell that agenda.
Selling agendas? You are doubling down on your bad Quarterback class narrative. This class was compared to 2011 above (I personally believe it to be better) but had it been compared to 2011 in January or Feb - ie. 1 franchise guy and a load of guys that don't pan out I could have accepted that as a reasonable belief. IT wasn't compared to 2011 in Jan and Feb it was compared to 2013. That was nonsense, is nonsense and will always be nonsense.
Main reason the Chiefs are getting killed on this isn't even as much about Mahomes, but rather the fact they have a roster that contended for a SB birth this past year and could contend the next 2 seasons. But instead of using this talented and deep draft to try and get over the hump, they just used a first and a 3rd this year on a player who wont contribute likely for at least a year or two (depending how long he sits behind Smith) and next years first as well.
So the Chiefs, who lost Poe, could have reloaded with someone like Allen or another stud and still added another great prospect in the 3rd to help propel them further, but instead took a guy who wont likely play for this team for at least 1 to 2 years nor help them push for a SB in the near term. And they spent next years first to do so as well.
In the NFL you only have small windows to make the big dance. With FA and the high frequency of injuries with bigger and faster players, windows of opportunities don't typically last long. Which is another reason the Pats are a modern day marvel based how long they have fielded a dominant team, but its hard and rare to do so. The Chiefs basically chose to not try and take that next step now in hopes this pick proves to be something 3 to 5 years from now (he sits 1 to 2 years, then still needs time to play a year or two to start to reach his potential). They better be right, otherwise they will quickly go to the bottom of the AFC and this will go down as a terrible franchise turning trade of what was a strong team.
The Chiefs do not have a window. You can't win a Superbowl with Alex Smith. Period. They have no window. They lost in the playoffs last year to a team that didn't score a touchdown. Just say that back to yourself..... they lost to a team that did not score a touchdown. They are the Bills of the last two years with a better defense. The people like yourself advocating we ride Tyrod and stock the D want us to be the Chiefs. I would take a couple of years of being the Chiefs, hell it has been 17 years, but I don't want to aim for being the Chiefs. If the Chiefs want a window they better find a Quarterback capable of making the big plays when it is all on the line.
Now you know Alpha I have never been as big a Mahomes guy as the likes of Jeff. There is much on his tape that concerns me. However, the people criticising the Chiefs for this move need to get with the modern NFL. The Quarterbacks who have represented the AFC in the Superbowl since 2002 read like this - Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and (on 1 occasion) Joe Flacco (a guy with a big arm who is good in the clutch). The Chiefs made their move to try and get a Quarterbacks capable of being in that rarefied company. Andy Reid and John Dorsey are smart guys (and by the way Reid has personnel control so your earlier summation that it might have been a Dorsey pick.... it couldn't have been - Reid has the final say) they know they are not contending with Smith. They are competing.... and winning 10 games a year... but they aren't contending. The idea of the Chiefs having a window is fiction. You want a window? Get a Quarterback. You need at worst a franchise QB at best an elite QB. You do not need a game manager.
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3 in the top 5 or 6 next year looks plausible at this point. Maybe. 3 in top 3 - no way.
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You will have three QBs go top 3 in 2018.
No you won't.
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Thank you. Totally agree.
I have already read a post on this forum today suggesting Darnold, Rosen and Allen go 1, 2, 3 in 2018. No chance is my response.
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Agreed.
Gil Brandt said that Whaley will certainly get a job but NOT as a GM, at least for the time being. He said he would have to do some work to ever get back to that capacity.
I think this is absolutely right. He hasn't done badly enough that he would never get a GM job again, but he hasn't done well enough to get another one on the back of this work with the Bills. If he wants to stay in the NFL his best route is Director of Pro Personnel in a stable organisation with a veteran, older GM and try and get himself in the spot where is considered the "continuity candidate" when that guy retires.
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Beane and seems obvious but McDermott wasn't the favorite and then he was hired. Don't be surprised if it is not Beane.
Love the new sig BB - you missed "ONE VOICE" though.....
And I will just remind you all McDermott was my favourite the moment the Bills job became vacant. I have all the faith in the world in him at this point... even to the point where I as a Whaley sympathiser am content to put the whole ship in McD's hands.
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What happened to Edward's eyes and his poise after that hit?
What does,'dropping your eyes' mean, and how does it impact mechanics?
Dropping your eyes means staring at the pass rush. It isn't mechanics it throws off so much as timing, especially in a west coast offense. Meaning either the Quarterback gets anxious and lets it go too early to avoid getting hit or more sometimes that the rush distracts them and they end up late on the throw.
I am not as convinced as some that had the 'Zona hit never happened Trent Edwards would have been our guy - but he certainly became more prone to dropping his eyes after it than he was before.
I think we need to pump the brakes a little on Peterman - his college tape is mixed at best.... but does he have the ability to turn into an improved version of Trent Edwards? Sure. Question is whether that is good enough to be any more than a backup.
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There will be three or four QBs that go in the first round next year. Should be good enough to land one of them.
There were 3 went in the first round this year. 2 of whom were there at our pick.
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Only the Bills and Browns have 2 1st rounders next year and the Browns just took Kizer, who could play well enough to warrant a look beyond this year. Absent SF picking first, we should be in a good position to move up to pick the best QB available next year. Pitt, AZ, Jets are not going to lose enough games to be a top 2 pick.
I think the Jets could be the worst team in the league. Apart from their D-line they are bad or old everywhere. They are absolutely in play for next year's #1 pick. The 49ers will be drafting top 5 too.
This idea the extra 1st makes a trade up to get the best or 2nd best QB a slam dunk is wishful at best.
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Watson will start for the Texans as a rookie and they will go 11-5 and win a playoff game. I give him a shot at a Superbowl at some stage.
In 3 years the talking heads will be saying "how did he last until #12? It was so obvious he was great at Clemson..." after spending the last year trying to nitpick him.
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It will.I think Doug Whaley's assessment that the Bills QB situation needed to be improved will be shown as correct.
Edit: maybe they stumbled across something with Peterman. Who knows? But if their plan for 2017 is Tyord they better plan on taking a shot in 2018.
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Old "great pick" Mayock? I love Mike January to March. The week around the draft he becomes an NFL company man... on about all the young men getting to live their dream.Mayock also really liked our draft....I trust him more
I only missed Rd4 out of the whole draft and Mayock loved every pick.
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I see this thread has descended into the usual "see Tyrod is good - he can still be the guy" nonsense. And they have the audacity to call the anti-Tyrod crew the crusaders.
GM Doug Whaley has been fired
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Yea a 1st or 2nd round investment is still a big investment even if a trade.