GunnerBill
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For me personally, if I'm Houston and I have the #1 pick, I don't expect to be picking there again any time soon. My goal, in that case, is to get a once-in-a-generation-type player.
I see it the same as you. I totally get where KOKBILLS is coming from though, not taking a QB would be a hard sell for Houston to their fanbase. I think Jacksonville pick a Quarterback 100%. But everyone else I think there is a little doubt in my mind.... could only be 1 off the board before 9 but there could just as easily be 4 off the board.
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At least with Manuel the Bills still don't know what they have and hopefully they can surround him with a real threat like their big WR Green.
The Bengals and their fans are stuck with an average QB who shrinks in the playoffs. Their fans didn't even bother to sell out their home playoff game because they knew Dalton would blow it for them.
I agree with that. I'm not a Dalton fan... I was just making the point on do you take a guy who you are pretty sure will be elite in his position or reach on a Quarterback because you need a Quarterback? In the end the team that took the elite weapon and then a "ceiling" Quarterback later are ahead of the teams that pulled the trigger on question mark QBs in round 1.
If there had been an AJ Green style player on the board at 8 last year and the Bills had left him sitting there to trade back for EJ I would have been very miffed. I was comfortable with passing on Tavon Austin.
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I wouldn't think about it for very long I'd take AJ Green, which is what the Bengals did when they could have gone for a Jake Locker... or a Christian Ponder. They took the view, as would I, that if you get the choice between an "elite" player or a Quarterback with enought questions to not entirely convince you then you take the elite guy. in the end the Quarterback they took in the second round has out performed Ponder and Locker, partly because he has had a top class weapon to throw to.
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The Reid reference was after they traded for Smith.
After the combine and before the Smith trade, Luke Joekel was being mocked to KC "all over the place", not Smith.
I'm afraid that is not my recollection.
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Plenty of people have offered explanations of the Bills thinking in this thread. You are entitled to disagree with that view but it is a valid view to take.
As a quick re-cap... if the Bills had franchised Byrd they couldn't have traded him until he signed the franchise tender. If he had done the same as last year and not signed it until training camp the limited trade market (their best offer for him last year was a 4th) would have all but disappeared because FA has been and gone, the draft has happened and fewer teams have a) desperate needs and b) free cap space to pay a guy $8.5million. Then you have a thoroughly annoyed Jairus Byrd claiming plantar fascitis (I actually have PF and let me tell you when it flares up it it really isn't pleasant) which is hard to disprove and he doesn't start playing until week 7/8. Then you are paying a guy $8.5million for half a season at best. Does that sound wise to you?
The Bills may or may not still be "in play" for a longer term deal. Personally I think he will sign elsewhere.
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I googled "Geno smith number one pick". At this time last year the only ones who thought he might go number one were Andy Reid and...Geno Smith.
I don't see the QBs dropping this year.
Until Kansas City traded for Alex Smith Geno was being mocked to them all over the place.
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Yep. That's my fear. I think the deeper teams have gotten into this Quarterback class the more the issues that were hiding below the surface with all three of these guys come to light.
Obviously I want Houston to go QB at #1 because that changes everyone else's calculation but I do fear them going Cassel and then a project rookie in a middle round.
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I think the top 5 could play out as:
#1 - Houston - Clowney
#2 - St Louis - Robinson
#3 - Jacksonville - A QB.... not sure which one...
#4 - Cleveland - Watkins
#5 - Oakland - Mack
Than do Atlanta take a QB? Unlikely..... do Tampa? Possibly...... do Minnesota? They might if they're getting the second guy off the board.
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I personally think Manziel looks to escape the pocket quicker than EJ but regardless...
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I think Manziel can throw from the pocket much better than Tebow... it's not so much his throwing from the pocket that concerns me about him as a pro prospect more that he seems to miss reads from the pocket. I don't know that he sees the field very well from there and that's why he is so anxious so often to escape the pocket. I think escaping the pocket is what Manziel seeks to do as soon as his 1st guy isn't there and in the NFL I don't think he will be able to scramble and improvise and make magic happen to anywhere near the same extent. The pass rushers are quicker and stronger and will hit him in the backfield and the defensive backs are better when he throws those loopy ducks looking for his big target (Mike Evans type).
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That explains it. I didn't see the Cards at all last year I don't think.
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Looking at his stats from last year he started the season well and disappeared down the stretch. Don't know if that was schematic or injury related or something else.
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I'll repeat it: their styles are nothing alike, nor are their skills. You've seen them both play, so you must know specifically what I am talking about.
He wasn't saying their playing styles or skills were similar though was he? You said what does one have to do with the other and he provided a list of comparables. Nowhere on that list did he say "playing style". The only thing near to a reference about style or skills was saying they both used their legs a lot.
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This time last year there were a lot of people talking about a poor crop of Quarterbacks about to come out in the NFL Draft. Despite this Geno Smith still seemed this far out to be something of a "consensus" 1st pick in the draft but there was a lack of agreement beyond that as to how many signal callers would go in the first round. There were some at this point last year suggesting that as may as 3 Quarterbacks could be off the board before the Bills picked at 8. In the end we all know what happened. The Quarterbacks fell, the Bills were able to trade back to 16 and still have their pick of the litter. EJ Manuel was the only QB taken in round 1, Geno sulked his way into round 2, and the others slipped yet further.
This year the crop have not take anywhere near as much criticism, the feeling seemed to be "no slam dunk but 3/4 guys who should go in the top 10". Which is why my interest has been taken today by reports that the Houston Texans, holding the 1st overall selection, are keen to bring in Matt Cassel as a free agent. Texans coach Bill O'Brien worked with Cassel in New England, and Cassel had a decent season when given the opportunity in Minnesota last season to recover a little of the respect he had lost in a horrid final season in Kansas City. But we shouldn't forget that Cassel went to a pro-bowl during his time at Arrowhead and when you consider his familiarity with Bill O'Brien's system then if he does go to Houston there is a fair chance he starts.
So what does all that mean....? Well if Cassel is considered a place holder for a year or two at Quarterback then maybe rather than taking a QB at 1st overall the Texans do what they did last time they selected first and take the freak defensive talent (for Mario Williams read Jadeveon Clowney), drafting a Quarterback in a later round to develop. So with some speculating already that Derek Carr has slipped out of the top 8 and will go (at the earliest) with the Brown's second 1st rounder, does Houston taking a non-Quarterback suggest we could see a repeat of 2013? Are the Quarterbacks slipping? And if they do what could be the knock on effect for the Bills at 9?
And as a final thought..... if the Quarterbacks slip for a second consecutive year how does that square with the assessment that the NFL is more than ever a Quarterback driven league??
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I think they go into next season with what they have at Quarterback unless someone falls to them in the draft in round 4 or 5 that they think is worth a chance on or there is a free agent vet who doesn't catch on anywhere in the first throws of FA that they think it's worth kicking the tyres on. So basically QB is not a position where I think they will be "aggressive".
The model will not, I'd have thought, be dissimilar to last year.... They had a primary target in Lawson and went after him early on, they signed Kolb pretty early and they brought Fred Davis in pretty early as well for a visit if I recall... but he re-signed in Washington. After that they sat back a bit and waited to see where the chips fell and Branch came a little later as did the Jerry Hughes trade.
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The London 2014 games are already set and long since sold out.
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I think it's terrific news. He is not a Byrd's level yet, but he played great last year, looks much more natural at safety and I think could be playing at a pro-bowl level given another year at the position. Now it's about finding him the right partner.
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I could see it happening. During the '09 off-season they traded Peters before draft day, moved Langston Walker from RT to LT, Brad Butler from RG to RT, drafted Wood and Levitre, cut Walker, started Bell. The only constant was Hangartner.
That was a different Head Coach and a different GM. I don't get any sense from Whaley or Marrone that they would take such an approach. They seem to me to have certain positions mentally checked off.... left tackle and centre are two of them... they won't be moving people all along the line.
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The Bills are not moving Glenn. It's a non-starter. They will not move him from LT and they will pay him when it comes to negotiation time. Whaley has been clear about what he sees as the corner stone positions to bulding a top NFL football team. One of them is left tackle.
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It looks like this is one battle Doug Marrone has won. I think he was pretty clear in the season wrap presser that he wanted 8 home games at RWS. I really believe Marrone is a guy who is going to try and move heaven and earth to win. Whether he has a sharp enough coaching mind to pull it off I'm still not sure about... but he wants to win and he understands that playing dome teams like Atlanta in a dome with neutral fans rather than in the elements infront of Bills Nation at the Ralph does not help the team win.
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Clowney
Mack
If we were drafting 1st overall because we had the worst record in 2013 then I think we probably would have seen much more bad than good from EJ and I'd take a Quarterback. Blake Bortles would be my choice of the 3.... and I'm not totally convinced by him either.
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1. I was adamant that Tebow would fail.
2. Manziel. I know he has loads of fans on here and just for the record I do think he will last longer than Tebow... but I think a top 10 draft pick as I'm swure he will be who I don't see being a starter in 3/4 years is a bust.
Other honourable mentions for past predicted busts: Matt Leinart, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Gaines Adams (obviously sad story and I don't meant to be disrespectful but was how I felt about him at the time, who knows he might have proved me wrong in time) Darrius Heyward-Bey and then two I got wrong.... Vernon Davies and Knowshone Moreno (who the jury is still out on but had a really good year).
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The best trade offer the wole of last year was a 4th. The Bills are calculating that the risk nobody trades for him and then he sits out as many games as possible with an "injury" whilst we pay him $8.4million is not worth to potential extra 4th round pick. If there was even a chance that there was a team out there willing to talk 2nd rounder the Bills would be tagging him.
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For me the perfect place for Manziel would be Arizona. He wouldn't have to play right away, becuase they have in Carson Palmer a serviceable starter. He could learn, improve, and then when he does play in Bruce Arians he has a head coach who has experience with a Quarterback in Big Ben, who whilst a very different body type and style is arguably at his best when improvising outside of the pocket to keep plays alive. He also has in Larry Fitzgerald a "Mike Evans type" of No1 wideout who will be there for him to throw it up to when everything breaks down and they have a defense that can help him out if he does make some naive mistakes. I think it would be a nice fit... not that I think they have a shot at getting him.
Are the Quarterbacks going to start dropping?
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Yea I've seen McClain doing the "Texans are going Quarterback" rounds. But equally he has consistently said "they haven't decided who yet." Which means they haven't fallen in love with one..... I think they probably will go Quarterback now Cassel has re-signed in Minnesota but I think they will be forcing a pick rather.