GunnerBill
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I thought the head coaching job he did with the 2013 Jets excellent. His best work, actually.
In terms of sideline work.....he's average. He makes mistakes and he had a rough game against the Chiefs last year but there are worse and he might be better at it if he weren't so involved with the defense.
He needs to cut bait with his D......it's taking him down.
Nobody cares about his D anymore.......there is zero concern about it from the opposition......he's turning into Gunther Cunningham........the "didn't he used to be a good DC" guy.
Agree 100% with this.
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I don't even think EJ Manuel thinks of himself as highly as some posters on this board. I think everyone else in the United States, including EJ Manuel and his agent, realizes that he has a nice career ahead of him as an NFL backup QB. Very much like a Todd Collins. No serious team will be looking at him as a potential starter. Tyrod Taylor, who has undoubtedly regressed this year and I would not be upset if the Bills cut ties with, WILL unquestionably be looked at as a potential starter if he hits the open market and could absolutely win a Super Bowl as a game manager on a team like Denver. That's reality folks. That's just the way it is.
Agree with the rest of your post just do not agree with the bolded.
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After watching the Raiders stink it up in KC I wish we got them in the cold last week & in 2014. They are a different team in 20 degree weather.
Yep. Carr seemed to have much more bother with the finger in the cold than he did in Oakland. He was noticeably trying to avoid that finger contacting the ball. Not sure why he never went to the glove last night he was obviously struggling.
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You assume it's fair to expect 2 more highly productive years from Shady to lower his cap hit to near your assignment of value.
That is not what I said. I said he is here no matter what next season and he is likely here the year after as well. On the back of this season he would have to really slump in 2017 to be cut before the 2018 season... do you not agree?
You call 200 carries of production irrelevant.
I call it irrelevant in the context of considering the trade. I don't know why you think it is relevant in the context of the trade unless you are really suggesting that running backs are ten a penny and you can just plug and play any old cheap guy and you will get the same production. Which you told me was not your point.
NFL team that has nothing at Quarterback and intends to lean heavily on running game trades for top tier running back giving up a linebacker coming off a torn up knee and gets him at $8m a year. That is just not an approach I think anyone should be slammed for. In considering that trade the production of the relief backs in the same offense (neither of whom were on the team at the time of the trade) is irrelevant.
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I think Shady will definitely be here next year and all likelyhood in 2018 too. If he is the average cost per year of the 4 years will be $8.25m.It's $8M per if he plays out the 5 year deal GB.......c'mon you know that ain't happening.
The key figure is $26.5m in guarantees.
The likelihood of him walking away from this deal for less than $10M per is very slim.
And like I said........he's already been paid well on the front end of the deal and the Bills should have held him to it.
But also......do you notice how I answered your question even though I felt it was not that important to the discussion?
How about the courtesy of answering the one I asked?
I will ask again:What exactly do YOU make of the fact that Karlos and MG have rushed for around 5.5 ypc over around 200 carries......counting weeks when Shady wasn't even available?
As for your question... I feel it is irrelevant to the issue. Unless you are arguing Gillislee or Williams (both of whom I like) are as good as Shady - which I know you are not - then it doesn't change the point.
At the time that they traded for Shady neither was on the roster and what they saw was an opportunity in a run heavy offense to get a top tier running back at a cost even after the renegotiation of $8m a year.
The fact that they have done a nice job finding some good relief pitchers so that the whole of the running game doesn't rest on Shady doesn't undermine that rationale of that trade to my mind.
Look, he isn't my kind of person from what we know about him off the field, I am not misty eyed about the legend of Shady McCoy I just don't quite buy the "devalued" running back narrative. I still think there are some guys out there worth playmaker money especially in cases where teams do not have the passing game to lean on and given where the Bills were there was a logic to the trade.
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Carr has been horrible tonight.
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I think there is logic in that take...
I just doubt Tyrod and his agent will agree...Fitz got $12 mil with the chance to bump that to $15 mil...I think if it's a re-do, one year thing, TT's agent will want at least that...And I'm guessing the Jets figure that $12 mil was better spent elsewhere now...
Sure. And in those circumstances I just let him go.
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Can someone explain to me why the Chiefs paid Eric Fisher?? He blows.
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...and if TT blows against the Steelers, his time as starting QB for the Bills should be done.
Correct. But Cardale should go in.
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Lorax the vet seems like he has been running on fumes the last few games. Shaq is improving week to week. I like this decision.
This. They have struggled a bit on ST too. I think keeping Lorax fresher for snaps on that phase plays a part in this too.
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And franky I understand why you don't understand my position because it's constantly skewed by certain very vocal people here.
My position is this.......you don't hire the best run game designer in the league and then invest heavily in run blockers AND then pay $8M-$15M per year to a RB....let alone one known for his free-lance style.
Asinine is a word that comes to mind.
What exactly do YOU make of the fact that Karlos and MG have rushed for around 5.5 ypc over around 200 carries......counting weeks when Shady wasn't even available?
McCoy is an excellent player......but this was a poor allocation of assets/example of team building.
Yeah, Roman needed an upgrade over Frank Gore........but Gore was running on 3 knee reconstructs before Roman got to SF.......finding RB's that can run thru huge holes is not that difficult when you aren't loyal to a fault like SF was with Gore.
I saw that you referenced Zeke Elliott........but here is the deal with Dallas........they have a DC in Rod Marinelli that is working wonders with modest talent and an otherwise very talented offense. Particularly the OL.
They had been a solid contender. They were a RB away.
When you are one piece away......you can use a blue chip on a red chip position.
The Bills were not in that position at all.......and the argument that they need a blue chip RB to cover up for their QB issues was invalid.
That doesn't ACTUALLY work in the NFL.
To your orignal question.......is there a RB worth $7M-$8M per year?......yeah if he's carrying an otherwise poor run game.
Contrary to popular belief that isn't the case here.
I'm afraid I simply disagree. If you are going to lean heavily on your run game and you have a chance to get a true difference maker at that position for $8m a year that ia good value.
The Bills knew they had to build that way because they knew they were on a wing and a prayer at Quarterback. If they had spent the resources on McCoy instead of a Quarterback believe me I would be railing against it because it is fundamentally the wrong way of thinking in the modern NFL. But they didn't. McCoy was intended as the difference naking offensive help until such time as they had a Quarterback who made the difference instead.
McCoy has done nothing to restrict their options at Quarterback.
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You can't fairly evaluate Clay with TT as his QB. I don't think that when they signed him, the QB would refuse to throw to him as much as TT is.
Sure. But the facts are he has not even got close to that contract. McCoy has his.
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Money saved seems to be more important to him. If Taylor takes a pay cut he's ok with the losing. Me? Not so much.
It, for me at least, is more that I think at $8m I think he is the best value caretaker we are going to get. It doesn't stop me investigating all other options to get better at the position.
At $16m I simply think there are better value caretakers.
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It's more of a case of the QB not using him.
Whatever the reason they have a guy they do not feature who is certainly not among the top half dozen at his position in the league getting way overpaid with far too much guaranteed $$.
But that guy is Charles Clay. Not LeSean McCoy.
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If he goes 3 years he will have cost the Bills around $10M+ per.
That's not much for a pass rusher or OT........but it's A LOT for a devalued position in the NFL.
And yes, it impacts their decisions.......along with numerous shortsighted contract moves the Bills made in Rex offseason I.
See that is what I thought your position was. You think it that is a lot of money for a position you think is devalued.
I submit that not every running back fits the mould of a "devalued" guy who isn't worth that contract.
I also submit that if you are building a team the way the Bills saw fit to build it given their lack of anything tangible at the Quarterback position then paying that to a top level running back who they intend to put out there to win games for them does not restrict what they want to do.
Paying a slightly above average tight end top flight money in an offense that doesn't feature the tight end on the other hand does.
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When did I ever say all running backs are created equal?
That take is every bit as bad as Greggo's nonsense.
In which case take the chance to correct me. Do you think there running backs worth $7-8m a year but just maintain that Shady isn't one of them?
Because that wasn't my understanding of your position.
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The contract is worthy of discussion for SO many reasons.
Teams that devote the bulk of their draft and cash resources to running backs and the secondary lose football games. RBs get injured every game and don't seem to be a very worthy investment in this passing league.
The Seattle Seahawks say hello. Their model was paying their running back and their secondary at the expense of keeping the dominant front 7 together or a good offensive line. Seems to have worked out for them okay. Even this year they have $5m in dead cap with the words "Beast Mode" written on it.
Teams that dedicate resources to running backs lose?
Dallas invested the #4 overall pick... they sure as hell don't seem to be losing.
The fundamental problem with the take you and BADOL have had throughout on this in my opinion is the misaprehension that all running backs are created equal.
They are not. Are their guys around the league who are plug and play backs? Sure. But Shady McCoy is not one of them and in an offense that relies on the run more than any other paying a little more than is normal (and it is by no means well out of whack with other top running back contracts) for a top level back is not a major misuse of resource.
It is no good saying "passing league so the Bills need to stop spending on a back" when the Bills do not have a Quarterback.
I keep saying it.... there is a 2015 spending splurge contract that hurts this team.... but it isn't McCoy... that is top back money for a top back in a system that leans on the back. It is Charles Clay - top tight end contract for a slightly above average tight end in a system that does not feature the position.
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Isn't Texas currently king in terms of NFL Quarterbacks produced?
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EJ may well get picked up first but that is because he will not be fussy.
Tyrod is going to make sure to go somewhere where he thinks has a legit shor to start.
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There was protection against what you stated it was called the Franchise Tag. Now they are going to compound the issue and pick up the option watch
They basically brought the franchise tag forward a year and halved its cost by giving him the deal they did with the bonus that if he balled out he was tied up for his best year.
If they take up the option now THAT is the mistake. The contract itself was a sensible move.
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Whaley joined the team in February of 2010 (so the '10 season on the graph). His first offseason in control was the 2013 (so full GM credit starting in '13 on the graph). Very simple point to visualize:
IDK, I'm as pissed as anyone else we still are not in the playoffs and blew that 24-9 road game against the Raiders...but I never understand the Whaley hate. We have to acknowledge that being the Bills is part of it...and he's doing better than we've been doing without him. It is highly likely we will win 8 or 9 games this year...which will keep the trend positive overall (and give Whaley only 1 losing season (6 wins in his first year) out of 4...while we had only losing seasons since at least '05).
His first offseason in control was actually the 2014 offseason. 2013 was mainly Nix with Whaley taking over after FA an the draft.
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I'd want so many opt outs in the deal that I almost certainly would not be his first choice.
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Whilst I would be mad with the Bills if they took up the option I agreed with and still agree with the deal they gave him.
It was a low risk potential high reward. If he took the step this year the Bills by paying him proper caretaker money in 2016 had him locked up at cheap franchise QB pay for the peak of his career. If he didn't they could get out at the end of this year basically for nothing.
He obviously hasn't taken the step and they now need not to take up the option to keep him at low franchise QB money because he is just a caretaker.
But I don't have any issue with what the Bills did it was essentially like him playing on a half price version of the franchise tag this year.
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Thomas is an out and out left tackle for me. If the Bills pursued him it would mean flipping Cordy to the right side.
Rex Ryan for GM??
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Here is a better idea. We have a decent GM let him do his job and let him hire a new coach? Let him get his first choice this time.