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If he shouln!t take it personally how should he take it? Who should be held accountable for his performance yesterday, and has anyone anywhere graded his performance better than a D? Maybe if people would be held accountable for the last 14 years, we wouln!t be where we are today.

I think this all wrong. It is not Wilson,Brandon, Whaley, Nix, Overdorf, Littman, EJ, Marrone, Hackett to blame for the loss yesterday. Last week most of you said it was Tuels fault so it had to be him because he wasn!t carrying the clipboard this week.

So then who is holding Littman back? Tell us all so we know who to blame for the last 14 years.

Clue us all in. What is the Russ style of management? If you know, put it in a drawer and hope no one ever finds it.

You are so right. The buck stops at the top. If this was a public company with shareholders the CEO, the CFO, and the rest of management would have been gone years ago. What management apparently does not realize is that to a degree we are all shareholders. We don!t buy stock in the orgaization. but we buy tickets, we buy food at the stadium, we buy Sunday Ticket, we buy uniforms and other NFL items, and we even go on forums in the hope things will get better. So if you don!t blame the top man and all his hires you have had your head in the sand for 14 years now. KC has shown you can turn things around. Only the Bills go round and round and when it will stop no one knows.

We can hope for the best with him. Will a new OC and better receivers help. It sure will. Will excuses help, they sure will not. We all know he was bad yesterday, so not much more to say.

Do we really know who wanted EJ? Was it Brandon, Whaley, Nix, Marrone? Did I miss someone or was it a collective pick by committee or vote?

Xsoldier54-spot on and happy Veterans Day to you.

No one wants to be negative, but the hope is (although misguided) that someone who matters reads all the comments and can find ways or a way to impove this football team.

I think most of us know Hackett is Marrone!s man, so if Marrone can not see what is what with Hackett, it will be a big reason Marrone does not make it here. What worked at Syracuse, well lets just say this is the big league, the big show, whatever.

So far since the KC game, on the "Release Tuel" thread there have been 284 replies and 11,702 views. Will we see this much action on this thread? Release Manuel. This isn!t even a question because it is not going to happen because, a) Right now he is better than the other two guys. b) They are paying this lst rounder too much money. c) Brandon, Whaley, Overdorf, Nix, Marrone, whoever picked Manuel have too big egos to admit they are wrong. You will probably be hearing excuses all week that he was rusty, although the Pats put up over 600 yards against the Steelers last week. No excuses please. I hope he does develop as he seems like a nice guy, but right now he is a NFL backup. One point former QB Rich Gannon made on the telecast was to the effect he would be better off learning the position under center, not in the shotgun. Maybe someone in the media will ask Marrone about that.

The bills were non competitive yesterday. A hangover from the KC game last week they should have won or just the Bills being the Bills again and incompetent? If you want to say the former, good teams bouce back from losses like last week, but other teams find different ways to stay out of the playoffs for now 14 years. Please don!t talk about injurys, a rookie QB, the game on the road, or maybe the entire team suffered indigestion from the pre game team meal this week. You are what your record says you are-period.

He did get a TD against Pitt in garbage time (even though he had a head start as the ref missed a false start he comitted on the play) Bet you can!t name any of the other 52 guys to do it, so I guess he is the new secret weapon.

Ist quarter-2 running plays from the 9 to almost the 1. Then what, a pass play! I do not know the % of pass plays on 3rd and 1, especially near the goal, but did!nt this team learn last week, and then they go for a 1 yard field goal. If you can not gain 1 plus yard on 2 plays you should lose. I would think 2 QB sneaks could move the pile

There has been so much unnecessary venom towards Tuel only because we lost and people are looking for a scapegoat. Take the greatest QB in history (take your pick) and tell me he never threw picks. Tell me your top QBs of all time and tell me how they did in their first start playing against the top rated defense along with a inferior receiving corps. How many balls did the receivers drop-6, 7, or what. Be honest about what are receivers are. Stevie Johnson-playing with a injury missing practices and when healthy would only be a 2 on good teams. Robert Woods-a rookie, another injury. Marquise Goodwin-another rookie, another injury Marcus Easley-another rookie. Taken out of the game when he could not catch the ball. TJ Graham-does not even belong in the NFL, speed or not. Scott Chandler-how many drops for him. Tuel made his mistakes, but he was better than Lewis the previous week. Will he be a first team QB in the NFL in years to come? Who knows? but he does not deserve the killing he is getting because we lost a game we should have won. He was man enough to say it was on him (deservedly or not) whereas JJs comment after the game and his fumble was"it could happen to anybody"

You want to blame someone else. If you are so in love with TJ I will debate you on his talent. And finally maybe if the hot dog Stevie "don!t call me Steve" Johnson would have not thrown up his hands andstood there because he did not get the ball, and ran after the man, maybe he doesn!t score and we are 4-5 today.

I know why most everyone is killing the kid. Because we lost. Stop blaming him. If the OC had called arunning play that actually worked on 3rd down, and we won the game. this thread would have never come up. And if it did not work and a field goal won the game on the 4th down, the dame thing would have happened praisung Tuel for managing the game and pulling out a win. Everytime we are near the goal line, Jackson or whoever starts his run to the middle from 5 yards behind the line. Never saw one QB sneak to move the pile.

Of the hundreds, perhaps more college senior QBs how many will turn out to be elite NFL quarterbacks? One or two. Time to call it a night boys and girls. We have all day tomorrow to cry in our milk, water, soda, tea, or whatever else is the pleasure.

EJ will start because they are paying him. End of discussion.

If you are making a million playing a kids game for 3 months, don!t you owe it to your teamates, coaches, management, and fans to show up and be a professional. Someone once said, winners never quit and quitters never win.

You guys are a buch of front runners just looking for a scapegoat for the loss because you are upset we lost. Why don!t you get after Graham, Badham, Stevie "don!t call me Steve", or some of our other receivers who are going to the Pro Bowl, along with the OC who did not call a run play on that 3rd down. You can!t have a pick 6 if you don!t throw the ball, and you can!t catch the bill when you run bad routes.

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What is your point? We all know 13-3 is not a possibility.

It is all relative. Some guys with the perfect throwing motion and form never make it out of high school football.

Everyone knows Stevie "don!t call me Steve" is a showboat. Hard to defend him in all the time he has been here how many games has he won.