BarleyNY
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Okay...theres probably 5 I'd take over Sammy when healthy
That's a hell of a qualification to have to continually make. It makes sense to talk about the Sammy Watkins we have, not the Sammy Watkins we wish we had.
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From Sal Capaccio, who wrote the Watkins article. He must be reading this thread:
(from Facebook) "Here is the story I wrote on the Bills deciding on Samy's 5th year option. Unfortunately, too many people simply read a headline and jumped to conclusions that aren't true. I'll summarize, but please still read it. Summary: the team just wants to make sure he's on schedule with no setbacks medically before doing it (they have until May 2) because it's guaranteed against injury. Otherwise, I am confident they'll do it. But again, please read. It's all in there, including the reasons and all their options."
That makes sense. No need to rush it and pick up his option until just prior to the deadline. Nothing to be gained and waiting hedges against the slim possibility of something going horribly wrong medically. Can you imagine the backlash if Whaley picked up his option a month early and then Watkins came down with a career threatening staph infection? Waiting until the last minute to pick up the option a non-story.
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In no particular order:
Jonathan Allen
Corey Davis
OJ Howard
Haasan Reddick
I had to pull Trubisky off my list. I just can't do it. No QB in this draft is worth the 10th pick. I'll add Derek Barnett in his place. Not a need pick, but he'd likely be BPA and plays a premium position.
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but I give out yolo themed gift baskets
Those are nice
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Whaley always waits too long, could have had DaK.
While I agree that Whaley should have done more on the QB front, Dak isn't nearly what he was last season on any other team. Dallas has the best OL in the game right now and they gave him loads of time. Zeke flourished behind that line too which took pressure off of him. And then there's the skill players like Dez and Witten.
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Does his status basically force us to go WR at 1?
I dont support an extension. He just hasnt been healthy enough
The Bills desperately need to address WR. They need to do that even with Watkins as he's pretty much all they have right now. It's difficult to say they have to do it at 10 because a) we don't know who will be available at 10 and b) the defensive backfield is just as needy.
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I hate that movie. I like Cleveland though. Go to Paninis or winking Lizard. i live in Columbus!
Also be aware that Yolo's a spooner.
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TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT WITHOUT knowing what players are available is foolish.
I'd also have to know what offers I'm getting. There's always opportunity to trade away a draft pick for crappy value. Who's off the board? What am I getting? Which team is making the offer?
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I want them to select a QB prospect they think has a chance to be a FQB. I don't care where as long as the risk/reward is proportional to the pick spent.
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I'm sorry about your son's medical issues. I hope the Clinic helps him get well soon. They are a fantastic hospital. My son was born there. My daughter was born in their network too.
Draft day is not a great movie. It was okay, but one viewing is plenty. Well known trivia alert!: The only reason it is about the Browns and not the Bills is that Cleveland gave the movie studio a better deal than Buffalo did. The original script had the Bills as the team.
Just don't make fun of Cleveland or the Browns and you'll have a good time. Lots of good places to go and there should be plenty of parties on draft weekend. Pretty much every bar should have it on. The big Browns sponsored event is free and not far from you at all.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/browns_will_host_2017_nfl_draf.html
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Thank you for the response to the thread topic. I find it interesting myself. What would the best do against the best. Good point on the situational aspects. In a one game spot I could see him doing something pretty elaborate like he did against us in the Super Bowl. If it was repetitive exposure, I don't disagree with you on his potential strategy. I'm surprised more coaches don't build in 3-4 personal fouls a game against him. I'm not saying intentionally injure the guy. Just hit him, hit him late if you have to a few times, let the chips fall. It's worth the penalties.
Thanks. You posed a great question. BB seems like a guy that would willingly take a regular season loss (or even two) to help get himself a playoff win. I was thinking about Bountygate in NO or how the Ravens played for years. It really wouldn't be a much different situation than those: Dial up defenses to hit Brady, tell your players to do it every chance they got and not to worry about flags. If it's close, hit him.
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I understand a lot of people don't like BB. He certainly has broken some rules in the past, perhaps more....who knows. That said I still have to think he is the best defensive mind in the game. Sooooo.....
If BB was hired by Buffalo and had to face New England what would he do, what would be his game plan?
I don't think he would bet on pressure. While it's shown it can work when it gets home, it just doesn't get home enough against Brady. I would think he would take a similar approach he took with us back in 1991. Beg you to run the ball. Invite 5-10 yard rushes. Look for the Patriots to get greedy, maybe get some RZ stops with the condensed field, shorten the game. In very isolated spots throw in some mixed packages to keep things off balance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play a 1-4-6 or 1-3-7 with a massive share of defenders dedicated to the short/intermediate passing game. Consensus seems to be you have to get pressure up the middle on Brady. It seems like only the elite defenses have a shot at executing that. Has any team ever really tried to just give New England the run? I mean to an extreme level?
It would be interesting to watch a team like the Patriots run the ball 20 straight times......
I doubt he'd blitz Brady in order to win that game. Brady is at his best when defenses make decisions easy. He'd pick that apart. BB would lay off of him in a single game and try to control the clock on offense. But if he got to play against Brady a couple of times during the season and again in the playoffs I'd bet he'd punish him. Without Brady the Patriots aren't going anywhere in the playoffs, so he'd do his best to knock him out for that - and he'd even severely "bend" the rules to do it. BB plays the long game when he can.
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Then this is a story about nothing with what you said here.
That's about exactly how I feel. The more intriguing aspect of the situation is what the Bills should be doing to make him successful enough that he earns the deal he wants and sticks around here.
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Seems like a no-brainer to me.
What would WR corps look like without Sammy Watkins right now?
Pretty darn simple, unless, of course, they are working on a long term deal.
Picking up his 5th year option would not preclude him signing a LTD. He is eligible to sign a LTD now. Players have to complete their 3rd league year before doing so and he's done that. Also of note: the option is guaranteed for injury only and may be rescinded up until the first day of the league year of the option. That's a day in early March 2018 for Watkins. No reason not to pick it up now. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't make sense to do a LTD for him yet though.
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Something wrong with the other Cardale thread?
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I see that, but referring to those who are against it. Don't recall it ever even coming up as an issue with Gilmore.
Don't forget that the troll factor is present here and would've been there too. That doesn't account for the whole 12%, but it's part of it.
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We could be like the Jets and waste a draft pick every year on a Shidty QB. makes sense.
Unlike the Jest, I advocate trying to draft a non-Shidty QB prospect. After all, what is the other option? To not even try? That would be idiotic.
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I don't remember similar discussion over Gilmore's option and pretty sure he missed more games than Sammy with injury. No one batted an eye with that one.
To be fair, there's really not much dissent here. "No" votes are under 12%.
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I gotta step in with my 2¢. I love the potential of Watkins. It is a no brainer to pick up his option for that reason alone. But it is extraordinarily dangerous to focus on a single stat like yards/target. His success in that regard is notable, but the Bills offense is made for very high yards/target. There's a reason we are discussing whether or not to pick up Watkins' option and not how big of a long term contract to offer him. His total production doesn't match his talent. Injuries - including those he's played through, but was hampered by - are certainly a big part of that. So is scheme. What happens if and when he's targeted more? His body will be asked to deal with more strain and punishment. What then? The one issue that has been my biggest concern with him may be his saving grace, however. His injuries haven't been contact related. Man, that bothers me, but at least he hasn't had issues with hits. Julio Jones had similar foot and soft tissue issues and was able to get right physically. He's been a stud since. If Sammy can do that, then we're in business. If not or, God forbid, he doesn't until after he moves on to another team, then.......well, I think we all know how those stories go.First, the franchise tag is fully guaranteed at the moment of signing.
As for Sammy, as I said earlier in the thread, he lead the entire NFL in yards/target over his first 2 seasons in the league (cumulative). I've said many times here that the number one predictor of WR success is targets, and Sammy plays in an offense that happens to have attempted the fewest passes in the NFL for 2 consecutive years. That he has managed to produce as he has is actually quite remarkable.
Take the entire 2015 season as an example: Amari Cooper--who many would consider a top-10 NFL WR--made the pro bowl, whereas Watkins did not. Cooper had 72 receptions and 1,070 yards with 6 TDs on 130 targets in 16 games. Watkins had 60 receptions on 95 targets and 1,047 yards with 9 TDs in 13 games,
Compare that, for example, to another pro bowler (and likely consensus top-10 NFL WR) Jarvis Landry's 2015 season. He had 94 receptions on 165 targets and 1,157 yards with 4 TDs in 16 games.
In other words, Sammy is equaling (or, it can be argued, out-producing) these guys despite being given far, far fewer opportunities.
I maintain that his only issue is availability.
Forget the trade-up, the guy started 29 of 32 games for his first 2 seasons and was outstanding when actually utilized like a No. 1 WR...that's why you pick up the option.
I just don't like how this story is tracking right now. Watkins needs PRODUCTION to get the Bills to give him the big contract he surely wants. Let's game this out, assuming his option is picked up:
2017:
- Highly productive, like the 1500 yard seasons JJ & AB each had in one of their 1st four seasons. That gets him a big contract from the Bills before he plays out his option year.
- Good season or worse, say 1k yards again or injury plagued. This gets him to his option year.
2018 after the latter:
- Highly productive. Gets him franchised, which would lead to a LTD, trade or his departure after 2019.
- Good or worse. He's a FA. Outside possibility of tag if he had two good seasons in 2017 and 2018.
Watkins will want his money, of course. But he also will want his stats, which would lead to more money. Is he going to get that in Buffalo with the current scheme and QB? That's a tough sell. He's not staying here of his own free will if the next two seasons look like the last two. An excellent 2017 season for him would go a long way toward him staying here, so a lot is riding on that. That's why I'm holding my breath.
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Of course I'd pick it up. He certainly possesses talent, but that talent exceeds his production thus far. I'd like to keep him around and find out if he can stay healthy and bring his production into line with his talent. At this time there's no way I'd give him a long term deal, so picking up his option seems the best course of action.
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The problem is when its a 300 pound monster doing the pushing away the woman could end up on the next block.....
Its a slippery slope
One is assuming that it's a defensive push to get her away and not one that deliberately puts her in harms way. Accidents could, of course, happen in such cases, but every person has the right to defend themselves. Even a woman can do damage to a large man. What if she'd caught him across the cornea with her nail? What if she'd had a small weapon, like a knife? A push that gets her away from him certainly would be reasonable IMO.
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The story said that police said the woman struck him and he pushed her away. No charges filed.
He should not be putting himself in position for even the possibility of trouble this close to a big payday, but these are big guys on campus and I am sure are used to going out for "a good time"
I agree. How different would Mixon's life be if he had pushed that girl away and left rather than dropping her with a right and fracturing 4 bones in her face before leaving?
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Josh NorrisVerified account @JoshNorris 15m15 minutes ago
Josh Norris Retweeted Cian Fahey
"Kizer’s footwork is special. His feet are always balanced and patient but he knows when to make decisive movements."
A few tidbits:
"Yet despite the constant failures that come with being a draft analyst, there are plenty of people who will try to teach you how to scout. As if there is some formula that works perfectly.
Michael Lombardi is one of those people. Recently Lombardi wrote his seven rules to finding a franchise quarterback on the Ringer. The article primarily focuses on mental attributes and the aesthetics. Most of what Lombardi said sounds great until you realize it can’t actually be used to proactively identify franchise quarterbacks. It relies on catchphrases and tries to examine elements of the person rather than the player.
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It’s hard to win in the NFL with a quarterback who wastes snaps. Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles and Alex Smith are some of the worst offenders when it comes to this. Tyrod Taylor and Russell Wilson are too but they offset the plays they waste by creating outside of structure more often than other quarterbacks. Wilson and Taylor are great examples of players who have some very specific flaws but those flaws exist in the minority of their performances. The 90+ percent of what they do on the field outweighs the other 10 percent.
Thanks for posting. Excellent article.
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I have a soft spot for the Browns and follow them during the year. Pulling for the Patriots or Dolphins or just jumping on some teams bandwagon I agree though is unacceptable.
I was born and raised in Cleveland. Lived in Cleveland and Columbus for over 40 years before moving to Buffalo almost 5 years ago. I root for the Browns and the Bills.
[closed]Trade down and draft QB in 1st
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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It certainly appears that all of the QB needy teams are trying to move back in the 1st round of the draft. If true (and it sure seems like it is) then that tells you everything you need to know about this QB class.