BarleyNY
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Watch year one, before Kelly had the chance to ruin him. I tell you all it is NOT all on Kizer. Watch the game against UVA, watch the Clemson game, Watch any game from 2015. Hell, he was good in the Texas game opening this year, even though Kelly tried to run a 2 QB system. I happen to think Kelly is the MOST overrated coach in college football. He is also a massive douche nozzle who throws his kids under the bus, EVEN AFTER THEY ARE GONE, just like he tried to do with Deshone. A salty af ex-coach still trying to talk sh*t about a former player (whom he wishes would have stayed) in a round about way. Complete d*ck move. I am waiting for the day with joyful anticipation that he gets fired in South Bend. Don't get me wrong, there are things about Kizer that I have noted in other threads that bother me. His field vision at times and his footwork, but he is an extremely intelligent young man who has a massive potential for growth at the position. He needs to land in the right place with a Bruce Arians, or Andy Reid, or a Kyle Shanahan. A coach who knows how to bring a QB along.
Fair enough. I'll check out some of his 2015 game film.
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No way. He's on his option year this season at $8.069M and is a FA next season. The Bills really can't afford him this season and they really won't be able to after that with what his next contract should be. Does anyone else want to double up on the Dareus situation of a very highly paid DL who keeps getting suspended for pot?
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Problem is EVERYBODY wants to trade back. Finding a team to do that is not going to be easy.
Hers a PFF article that covers that very thing. It's a very, very deep and flat draft past Garrett and maybe one or two others.
Isn't that what the OP suggested...He found at least 2 QB needy teams that might be trading partners...What is the problem with that.
No one is saying that a trade back from 10 is impossible, but it's looking very unlikely. In the event you can gain additional ammunition in the first 3 rounds of this draft - or premium future picks - yes, you do it. Just don't bank in it.
I don't know if the team has given any of them a 1st round grade. If so, sure, take that guy. But I think that's questionable at this point based on what I've seen in the media.
I certainly wouldn't reach for any of them.
I'm so with you. This isn't the draft to squander premium picks.
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Watched him a bit. Reminds me of a taller Cody Kessler.
Apply at NFL.com. This feels more accurate.
Also a good comp. That's not a big slight either.
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NFL.com's draft profile has his pro comp as Kirk Cousins. You like that!?!?!
That's a good comp too. He'll, yes, I like that!
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I've watched game film of 4 QBs so far this season. I've still got to go watch Kizer who I wrote off after seeing him play live (briefly). But I like Peterman better than Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson. His arm strength is certainly a question and I think he fits a WC or other offense with mostly quick throws much more so than Buffalo's vertical passing game, but he's the only one I really like above the shoulders. He's definitely not Derek Carr, he is more Andy Dalton.@seniorbowlphil
Nate fits West Coast offensive system better than some of the guys rated above him, needs to get to right team. Quick eyes, arm and feet.
Edited to add: Just watched Kizer's game against Stanford. I didn't think there was any way he could've been as bad as I remembered. He is. He's just abysmal. Tons of physical ability, but zero feel for the game. Its incomprehensible that he could have that much talent and be so bad.
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I love all these "scouts" on here who can point out flaws in a QB's game that somehow a hall of fame GM like Polian missed. I guess his 760 yards passing and 6 tds and 0 ints in 2 games against Alabama with all these obvious mechanical flaws that you see must have been luck. We are very lucky to have you here to break down film for us.
Feel free to debate my points, but please do so like an adult. Spare me the mewling about my level football knowledge. If you require someone to be a NFL scout or GM in order to discuss such things, then you shouldn't post on or visit this site. Your childish whining doesn't help your cause either.
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I'll be hanging with friends, quite probably at my house.
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I was transferring when I typed that. And aren't you supposed to be enriching our youth at 9:20 in the morning?Stop posting and brew some beer.
Listenbee COULD maybe become that "take the top off" guy, but we rightfully shouldnt hope for that.
Any guy we draft that could be a good number 2, Williams/Davis/Jones/Godwin, arent those blow the top off guys either.
So what is the solution? If we draft another 5th/6th round speedster, he goes into the same boat as Listenbee as far as COULD become that guy. How do we address that need?
I really want a lot of a wide receiver addition. The current offense with Taylor is going to require a speedster who can get deep because we are going to have to stay run-first with vertical passing. But I want to look past 2017. I'm not convinced Watkins will be around in 2019 and I think it's unlikely that Taylor will. We might need more out of this player than just running lightning fast fly patterns. The offense might require more of him at that point and he might need to be the #1 WR.
That's a tall order, so let me simplify. I want a speedy WR who can either be/grow into a #1 or quality #2. He's got to do more than just be fast though. So who fits that? Mike Williams isn't fast enough, so I'll pass on him. Davis is an excellent route runner in addition to being very fast. He fits. Despite his injury concerns I'd be happy with him at 10. I don't see Ross as a great fit despite his speed. I'm not sure he does much else. I also don't think he's worth maneuvering for. Pass. In the second round I'm looking at Godwin. He is plenty fast and, can run routes well and is big, tall and aggressive. My sleeper is Chad Williams from Grambling. Big, fast and strong. He has a chance to be as good as (or better than) the WRs at the top of the draft.
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I'm just trying to think of all of the other QB prospects we are discussing at great length who check all of these boxes. Who are the others that:Yea, your probably right. The leading passer in the SEC in 2015 and leading again in 2016 until his knee injury. And we need a QB for the future but your probably right, no one would even mention him. Really astute analysis.
- have a litany of off the field red flags throughout their high school and collegiate careers
- couldn't learn a fairly simple college offense which resulted in coaches simplifying it for him
- have poor pocket awareness
- have terrible footwork
- have poor weight distribution on their throws
- are short
- have substantial injury concerns
I can only think of one that is close to that. But, hey, he's got a strong arm, throws with anticipation and is Jim Kelly's nephew. There are a lot of sh***y collegiate players I don't waste my time on. But I'll make an exception here.
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I think the kid is going undrafted at which point I pick up the phone and see if he wants to come in for a tryout.
Agreed. If he wasn't related to Jim Kelly there'd be no discussion of him anywhere.
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Keep coughing but Watkins still needs single coverage.
That's a fact. A WR to apply pressure to the defense's deep zone across from Watkins is of tremendous importance. It not only keeps defenses from keying on Watkins, it also takes pressure off the run game. There's no reliable player like that on the roster now, but there needs to be. It's the team's number one need right now, although the defensive secondary is damn close.
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I'm seeing 2nd/3rd round on CBS. That's much more reasonable to me. I'm not even thinking of him at 44 though. He's not even a guy I'd be excited about in round 3 of this draft.He is projected to go in the 1st-2nd round.
Looks like a DE to me
Yes. I see a 4-3 DE. Someone might try to convert him to a 3-4 OLB, but that's a huge projection. YSU DE to NFL 3-4 OLB is an incredible change and jump forward.
He's tall enough and fast enough, 248lbs, to cover Gronk
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/derek-rivers?id=2558040
You're probably the only one on the planet wanting to see that. Well, you, Gronk, Brady, Belichick, Kraft, etc.
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I think we need a rebuild with two drafts. So one crap year on the field (which will happen anyway) then start to push for 8-8 or 9-7 next year. But if we refuse to rebuild this will take far longer.
Definitely agree. Finding that elusive FQB would sure go a long way.
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Actually, he could have. He could have said that the Bills would have broken the drought in 2015 if Rex was not hired and the scheme changed. Then, the roster took some hits in free agency and needs 2 more good to great drafts to get back to contending for the playoffs. That's the truth and what he should have told the owners.
Those are some accurate reasons, but Whaley has blame too. He hasn't been better than fair at his job and it's real tough to go from talking about how you're building a quality team to needing a full rebuild in two seasons. He'd also have to explain why he backed the hiring of a coach (McD) that is going to require a revamp on both sides of the ball. No, it's a very short walk from "this team needs to completely rebuild" to "time to get a new GM". Whaley would have been playing very short odds with that tack.
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I am fine with letting Gilmore go not because he isn't good (he is) but this roster needs to be replenished and rebuilt. But that does mean we will take a step back before we go forward.
Unfortunately the Tyrod extension indicates the Bills have no idea if they are rebuilding or trying to tread water. If they try to tread water they will drown.
Whaley couldn't exactly tell the Pegulas that the roster needed blown up, could he? "I was against the Rex hire and that's the reason we haven't won." is the way he had to sell them on retianing him. "Our HC sucked and our roster sucks." just would've gotten him thrown out alongside Rex. I was in favor of a tank and rebuild, but Whaley can't do that at this point in his tenure here.
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Can't argue with the positions addressed.
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One year deal, interesting that he vastly over estimated his own market.
Probably hoping to get his money in FA next year. I wouldn't blame the Bills if they had insisted on a multi year deal.
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Can't keep everyone. And all of those players were massively overpaid to go elsewhere.
On one hand, you have Bills fans complaining that we are letting guys walk and that's why Doug Whaley sucks.
Then you have other Bills fans who complain we are "mismanaging the cap" and paying certain guys too much money.
Gilmore wasn't overpaid. Spotrac calculated his fair market value at 5 years, $73.3M. He took a 5 year, $65M deal to join the Cheatriots.LMAO! SO.......true!!!
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/market-value/
I thought Woods was probably overpaid, but Spotrac calculated his FMV to be 4 years, $32.2M. He got 5 years, $34M. It doesn't look like he was overpaid either.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-9820/market-value/
We don't even know what Brown's contract is. Kinda hard to make a call on that until the numbers are in. Spotrac has his FMV at 4 years, $18M. We will see on that.
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Those also fall into the wrap category potentially though
Sonofabitch.......this is more complex than I could've imagined.
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WR at 1 is a luxury we can't afford
....agree 100%.....they're pinning their hopes on a healthy Sammy and backfilling with inexpensive FA pickups hoping either they shine or one of the kids still on the roster does.....Listenbee (WR) or Thomas (TE) come to mind......can't see spending MORE money or a 1st on receiving corp until TT demonstrates he can process the field in allotted time and find receivers open which has NOT happened so far IMO........
While I'm not lobbying for a WR at 10, I don't see how WR isn't a screaming need. Right now the Bills have the oft-(and currently-) injured Watkins, some JAGs and hope. It's a position that should be 3 deep at minimum in today's NFL so I'm incredibly concerned with the current WR corps. And if your rationale is that Taylor can't get the ball out to the WRs anyway, then you've hit upon a totally different problem.
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My patriot bride... sounds like a much less watchable version of a great movie. I'd ask rhetorically "Is a cheater a champion?" If she has the audacity to say yes, I'd tell her "I do not think that word means what you think it means" and push her into the fire swamp to feed the ROUSs.
I doubt they really exist.
This times 1000...just because people say "hot dog" or "hamburger" doesn't mean they are not sandwiches...now, if people want to be overly picky, I googled the definition of sandwich and it read: meat, cheese or veggies between TWO pieces of bread...therefore, one could argue that unless the bun is separated on a hotdog, it is not technically a sandwich- but to me this is just "splitting hairs" because most of the bun is separated, and some actually break anyway...however, the hamburger is most certainly a sandwich.
That's fair. It also covers the gyro and pita debates.
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I'd say WR and DB corps are both incredibly thin. LB isn't as bad as either of those though. Obviously, your point stands.WR unit is just as thin as the LB and DB units, so not sure what your point is.
Projecting a WR to the Bills at 10 is just looking at a team need matching up with likely player availability at that point. The top notch DB prospects will likely be gone by 10 and Williams and/or Davis will likely be there. I'm not enamored with Williams though. I'd rather Hooker or Adams be the pick, but they will be long gone unless Adams has worse injury concerns than are public. I don't know that CBs are valued highly enough in McD's defense for the Bills to take one at 10.
McD does need a stud LB for his defense though. If he thinks there is one available at 10 I see that being the pick.
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Can't wait for today's 12 copycat hot taek bbmb style threads with titles like
"Why does saen mcd hate jebus?"
"Pugela FAIL playerz no longer engaeged"
"if ewe dont think we need a new champlain UR an ****head"
Fantastically done.
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Agreed. The wildcard player I'd throw in to the mix is Foster. Not sure but McD might need someone like him for his defense.