BarleyNY
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15 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said:
ok, what is that incredibly high standard, sacks, right?
{unless you watch that all-22 film, or you are perhaps a D-line coach, or even O-line?}
I'm glad he didn't rack up a ton of sacks, because he'd cost more!
why did Madubuike get all that loot? (hint, 26 yr old DT with 13 sacks!)
we know he's not Chris Jones, or Aaron Donald, who also rack up the sacks & pressures
not sure where Frank Clark comes in, as he is a DE/LB who can sack the QB
all this doesn't mean DaQuon cannot regularly do his job in the middle of our defense (against poor or good competition)
why would you discount his pressure rate, stat guy?
but you are correct, he is not All-Pro status for whatever that point is worth...
I would argue he could sniff it if a few more of those pressures became sacks
amazing signing by Beane, Go Bills! 🙌
Sacks are one component. We can start there. Jones has 14.5 in his 10 year career. That’s less than 1.5 per season on average.
First, stop trying to reframe my position. I like Jones. He’s a good player and I’m happy he’s back. Stop trying to reframe that as me not liking the re-signing or player.
Now, please defend your statement that he’s been playing at an “All Pro” level. I’m also interested in your expectations moving forward. Do you expect an All Pro level of pay out of him?
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17 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said:
you can solely focus on his contract, but it doesn't necessarily prove your point
he's 32 and coming off an injury, that's going to cost you some $
& unlike Floyd, he presumably chose to stay here, which also means a bit less $ wise
in any event, a great job by Beane - kept a very important piece for a manageable number
he and Oliver are a very good tandem
and Beane will likely add a modest FA here and draft a guy as well
if we go with a WR at 28, there still should be talented DTs in round 2
the 2 guys from Texas, Jenkins from Michigan, and the Fla State dude are all possibilities
and I think we have an extra 4th and 5th rounder, so I expect Beane to use those to move up to get someone mid 2nd round
Except I didn't just focus on his contract. I also mentioned that all of the All Pro talk is based on 4 games against poor competition and centered around his high pressure rate, which is something he's never accomplished before. Then there is the incredibly high standard for All Pro players, which is also something he's never sniffed. I'm not sure why fans here have to take a good situation and try to turn it into something amazing. That's not living in reality.
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2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
Lot of cap space difference as well. Jones is an excellent DT and what we need right now.
No argument on the cap space (as I already mentioned). Again, he’s a good player and I’m happy to have him back. But the All Pro talk is insane - as evidenced by his contract.
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6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:
Far from insane...
He swallows up two blockers and is dominant in the run. Before he was hurt, started penetrating and impacting the QB. He allows Oliver to be Oliver.
Lotta room between a good player and an All Pro. The All Pro talk is ridiculous.
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51 minutes ago, Pete said:
Daquan led the NFL in interior pressure rate when he got hurt.
The eye test works as well. The Bills D is noticeably better when Daquan is playing
For four games he had a very high pressure rate. Games against the Jets, Commanders, Raiders and Dolphins. So rather than think that his success might be due to the competition he was playing because he’s never had that kind of success before, you just went with the opinion he was playing at an all pro level? Wow.
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5 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:
He is older but was playing at all pro level before pec injury. He makes Ed and Milano better.
No. That’s insane. I mean, Daquan was playing well for us and I’m glad he’s back and all. He’s a good player. But he was never playing anywhere close to an “All Pro” level. If he was capable of playing like Aaron Donald, Frank Clark, Chris Jones or Justin Madibuke, then he’d be getting $25M-$30M a season like they are. He’s getting $8M (or up to $8M).
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4 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:
Seems like a smart idea to me.
But if something comes up, can the Bills restructure it agin this off season?
It looks like they left the extra as salary, so yes. If it was a roster bonus, then they could not once it was paid.
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33 minutes ago, stevestojan said:
Can someone explain the downside of this? Like why wouldn’t every team in cap trouble just restructure as signing bonuses? I know it’s a dumb question. But I don’t know the answer.
A few reasons:
- Some don’t have the cash (literally).
- Most teams simply don’t want to spend the maximum possible.
- It’s used in negotiations. It’s difficult to tell a FA that you can’t pay him more when you’re sitting on a ton of cap space.
- PR. It’s a bad look to the fans if you have cap space you’re not using, especially when your team isn’t performing as well as they’d like.
- Fear of another Covid-style event where the cap decreases. That could potential be a huge issue.
- Suspensions have less of an impact since game checks not paid to the player are not counted toward the cap.
- Maximizing the use of signing bonuses can be done long term (see how the Browns are operating), but it can’t really be meshed with an “all in” play. Teams can stay the course or let their foot off the gas, but they can’t do much more in the way of ramping up spending. The Browns are spending at a rate of about 121% of the yearly cap IN CASH. That’s sustainable as long as the cap goes up at expected rates.
Hope that helps.
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Browns DT Maurice Hurst is re-signing with Cleveland, a one-year deal worth up to $3.2 million, per source.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 11, 2024
5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:Obvious things that are obvious.
Yup. I do not want to see this happen.
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Edge Za’Darius Smith is returning to the Browns. 2-year deal worth $23.5M base. Upside to $25M. $12M base in year 1.
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47 minutes ago, CNYfan said:
What is Carolina doing?
Burns wants out of Carolina plus a big contract so they’re trading him. It’s that or force him to play on the tag this year and get a comp pick down the line. Trading is the smart move by the Panthers at this point. Better late than never on the “being smart” front, I guess.
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10 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:
Yeah I'd be happy with 8 mil per, rising to 10-12 per if he hits double digit sacks.
Either way, I would rather have him than Floyd.
I’d be absolutely livid if we paid him that much.
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2 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:
Why what was the reasoning for a 4th and no the third we were all told we'd get for Edmonds? Anyone know?
The NFL will not disclose their formula. Overthecap seemed to have it nailed down, but not on that pick. Edmunds missed some time this season and playing time factors into the formula. Total speculation on my part, but that may have been it. He was calculated as giving us the lowest 3rd round comp pick - other than the ones given to teams that have minority GMs and HCs hired away.
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11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Like where? Truly asking since I didnt give it much thought, and most teams are a worse situation than Buffalo. What good team needs him?
He’d be an upgrade for the Bengals, Dolphins, Colts, Chargers, Rams or Tampa.
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Congratulations to Gabe on getting paid!
But I am so happy that I don’t root for a team that did this.
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
You certainly could.
But at 27 and already sitting on likely $15M cash, staying here on a well-run team with a great QB is probably worth that $3M, as opposed to landing on... the Raiders, let's say, and having a horribly un-fun year on a poorly run and coached team, with no QB. And then be out of the league in 2025.
I'm always in favor of players getting as much cash as they can, but sometimes there is a bigger picture that will earn you more in the long run as opposed to just this year.
Good teams need players too.
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
He could do that but I'm betting he knows in the long run he makes more staying in Buffalo and taking small salary cuts each year.
He likes Buffalo (remember how happy he was when he bought his home) and HAS to know he signed an overpaid contract.
His contract is through the 2026 season and if I was him, I would take the small pay cut. If he goes to a new team and has a bad year
or gets injured again he could end up playing for less than $5M every year going forward.
This is the last season with guarantees in his deal. He’s under contract for two more after that, but the Bills can easily move on at any time after this season. Now with the addition of Kincaid he may not get the passes or playing time that he used to get. That would not help his value. This is hypothetical because the contract move looks like a straight restructure. But if I were him and my choices were $5M and free agency today or a cut in pay, I would walk.
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1 hour ago, ExWNYer said:
Maybe. But how many guys have left teams for perceived "greener pastures" only to end up miserable and full of regret? He may think that the Bills are his best fit. We may never know. Hopefully, the decision ends up mutually beneficial for both parties.
How happy Knox is here now - especially with the addition of Kincaid - is an open question. He’s overpaid at $13M so that probably helps a lot in that regard, but that might change if he were asked to take a pay cut. It looks to be a straight up restructure so that looks to be a moot point.
1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:where
You should be embarrassed by that comment. Knox is a good, starting quality TE that can play in line and flex out to the slot. He may have been a little overpaid by the Bills, but he’d be signed within days if he hit the market today. And he’d be a good starter for that team.
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4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
I think he will keep the guaranteed roster and option bonus this year and take a salary cut. He's scheduled to make $4.9M in salary.
I'm guessing that will get cut to $2M or so and "maybe" some NLTBE incentives in return.
Certainly possible. I don’t think I’d do that if I were Knox though. I’d take my $5M and go play for another team where I’d make a lot more than $2M.
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12 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
If Cincy traded Higgins and their 1st rd pick, how much could they move up? Would the Giants take that deal?
I’m not sure of Higgins’ value, but you’d have to think they could make something work, even if they had to sweeten the deal. One of the worst kept secrets in the NFL right now is the Chargers desire to move down from 5. Not sure they’d want to go all the way down to 19 or take Higgins rather than draft Nabors, but if they were interested then they could do a deal. Cincy might have to sweeten it a little, but you’d have to think they would be in striking distance.
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7 minutes ago, Virgil said:
This seems like posturing to me. They will get a deal done.
I seriously doubt it. Two reasons:
1) No contract talks for a year.
2) Cincy tagged him the instant we entered the tag window. If they wanted to keep him, they’d have waited until the end of the window and worked on a deal. That was a clear signal they were going to try to trade him. Or just keep him one last season, but probably trade him. In any event, they don’t want to sign him to a big contract.
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46 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Yes, key word there is "reworked". If it's a pay cut like Von took, Id be happy about that. Let's see how much this saves...but solid move to make
His co tract had a $5M roster bonus that guaranteed last year. I’m sure that got converted to a SB. Not sure what else they did tho. Some of his salary could’ve also been converted. Or maybe a pay cut offset by additional guarantees and/or incentives. Just have to wait and see.
DaQuan Re-Signed - 2 yrs 16M
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If you read what I have posted you will see that my only issue has been with the assertion that Jones was playing at an All Pro level and that we could expect that level of play moving forward. Other than that, it’s just people reading what they want into what I wrote. I’m not at fault for that. Feel free to quote anything that I wrote that says otherwise.