Kirby Jackson
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I wouldn't say Williams is in that mold but Dallas is a good call. I think that both of those guys run like that. As soon as Murray emerged though Jones was gone. There aren't many examples as most teams try to build with complimentary skill sets. FJax is the complete back, Dixon the power guy and Spiller the speed back. Who knows what the plan is but based on the CJ2K rumors and the number of RBs in for pre draft visits they have to be considering one.Dallas just had two in Demarco Murray and Felix Jones. How about Forsett and Williams in Carolina?
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I'm with you on this. Don't you just kind of get the sense that the Bills are trying to hit a home run? They seem to be involved in everything right now (for better or worse). Mack may very well be the target if they can get somewhere between 3-6.Hi, welcome to the board.
I would think that since most draft analysts are saying that this is a very deep draft loaded with talent, and IMO the smart thing to do is trade outta #9 while picking up some extra picks.
While the Bills FO is trending towards Buffalo natives I would think that trading up for Khalil Mack is a possibility. Although, I can't see any team with a brain trading up to #1 and not drafting Clowney.
All this talk of trades, I gotta wonder if the FO is looking to dump CJ or Stevie for more picks.
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This^No, no, no!!!
Why not have them both? What's the problem work having 2 good players at that position?
Stevie will play his natural position, slot receiver. Woods and Williams will play on the outside with Goodwin as a weapon like Tavon Austin.
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I agree with all of that. This staff has been and will continue to be aggressive it appears. I think that Spiller may very well be on his way out but they will only do it if they are getting good value back. Freddie had 890 yards, 4.3 YPC and 9 TDs and is a team captain. He will be back but I suspect that this will be his last year (maybe 1 more). I am with you though that whatever it takes to make this team better -do it.I don't disagree with the fact that maximizing our current assets is the way to go, but I don't think the current management is going to sit around to wait and see if cj is going to sign an extension either. If they trade him great, if he walks so be it. This current staff didn't draft him, nor do I think they would have given the chance. I'm just saying that if the opportunity is there to upgrade your team regardless whose feelings get hurt, you do it.
I'm a huge fan of spillers and I do like everything Fred has done for the Bills. All I am saying is that this new management/coaching staff is going in a new direction. Half of the players under gailey were gone last year and the rest are soon to follow. Don't be surprised to see maybe 6-10 players left from the team that played in 2012.
It's a new era for the Bills and hopefully new results.
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Great post. I don't think that they will release CJ. He will either be traded or play out his contract. I have mentioned in a few places using CJ and the 9th pick to move up. They may even have that deal on the table already.I don't think Marrone likes the way Spiller runs. Yes, he is electrifying when he gets it right, but too often he created negative plays this year and you can't have that when you're trying to develop a rookie QB. Getting behind the chains early is the kiss of death. To me this is further proof that they want to go a different direction at RB sooner rather than later. We'll know for sure if they reach out and try to sign him. You'd figure they are willing to offer some good money seeing as they were willing to trade for him at his current salary, right? It also seems like they've been sniffing around a lot of RBs with interviews and pre-draft visits. Off the top of my head they've spoken with Andre Williams, Lache Seastrunk, and Hill from LSU.
Very interested to see how it plays out. I can't imagine they keep Spiller if they sign Johnson. Who would trade for CJ though knowing you'll probably just cut him? IMO Spiller could be devastating in Denver with all that room to run.
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Fred had a higher yards per carry and more TDs last year with less carries.WORD!!!
Skycap has it pegged.
Who cares whose contract is up, whose old and is a nice f'in guy or who signed with the Bills in free agency. It doesn't matter.
If the opportunity is there to upgrade your team with a pro bowl talent, you do it! Is he better than Fred? Hell yes everyday. Will Freds feelings be hurt? Who the F cares? This management and coaching group want to win and win now. They don't give a rats a$$ who gets shoved off the bus or into a retirement home. Winning is all that matters and every fan of this team should see that right now!!
And why should we care whose contracts are up? Let's just let guys walk for nothing and not worry about maximizing our assets. Let's not have a well thought out plan. Thanks for the well thought out plan!! I'm sure that you are right on the Bills line of thinking.
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Because by next year you can't pay both. I would guess that Johnson will be at least $3-$4m (he was scheduled for $8m). Spiller is going to want to get paid after this season and you may get ahead of it and trade him to avoid a Byrd situation (the Houston rumors are already out there). It's possible that they have a standing offer in place with Spiller and 9.why not? with how much they want to run the ball. you need extra bodies. why not have 2 similar RBs so you can run the same plays with both backs.
How many teams have 2 elusive speed backs (ever)? I can't think of 1. You just won't invest that kind of money in duplicate players, at least no one that I can think of ever has. I would be really surprised if it was both.
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I would think that they certainly would have Freddie. I suspect Summers will make the team. If they are considering adding Johnson I am fairly confident that they will be trading Spiller. I don't think that the Bills want to guarantee Spiller $20 something million next year. He has been too inconsistent. I like Spiller but the Lache Seastrunk visit and the fact that they were aggressive with Chris Johnson tells me that they are looking for a new speed back.Oh but they would still have Fred and Frank !
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I just don't see CJ2K and Spiller on the roster. I don't recall a team having 2 speed backs? If they add Johnson I would be very surprised if they didn't subtract Spiller.
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Maybe so but Detroit can only play Buffalo or Miami on Thanksgiving Day. I would think that it is probably 60/40 Bills because of those story lines.Sad as it may be, no fans outside of buffalo and Detroit give a monkeys turd about any of those story lines.
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I think the opposite. It is looking more and more likely to me that they are going to try to hit a home run in the draft. The depth of the draft means that the cost to go up will be less than in most years. In addition, it's been leaked that the Bills and Texans have spoken. My best guess is that the Bills go up and get one of those top 4 players (Robinson, Mack, Clowney or Watkins). The Bills have addressed depth pretty much everywhere but OL. They will be looking for quality over quantity IMO.Does today's trade give the Bills more of an option to trade back and add depth to their picks? They now have a big receiver with their 6th pick to adress a "need" and they now can trade back and add an additional second?
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Yeah, I'm with you. They weren't checking the price. It's always wise to do your due diligence but getting involved is a little different. The Bills FO is an aggressive group and will do what they can to improve the team.The only issue with so many saying that they were probably just checking the price is the report that they were one of the top bidders.
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FWIW, Andre Williams is a name that has been linked a LOT to the Bills.Just for grins, I went to NFL.com where they have a list of the top 400 prospects for the draft and there are only 2 Williams' listed, both running backs.
Andre Williams- Boston College
Damien Williams- Oklahoma
There are also still 2 Williams' remaining in the free agent market
Dantan Williams- WR (Ten)
Kevin Williams- DT (Min)
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Spiller had 1 great year. Bush had less opportunities and has been more consistent. I guess that we are going to disagree because they are virtually identical to me. I have seen tons of both and very few differences. Who would you say is the best comparison to Spiller if not Reggie? They are both rich man's versions of Darren Sproles. I like both players but neither is AD.Compare then strictly as rushers. Bush barely got 1,000 yards twice in 8 years averaging 5 & 4.5 ypc. Spiller topped 1,200 averaging 6 ypc while splitting time with a very good rb. IMO, Spiller is a much better pure rb.
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I agree that Payton is a lot better than Hackett. I just don't see much (if any difference) between the two. They are functionally the same player. They are explosive playmaking backs, that aren't good between the tackles, great in space and can catch the ball out of the backfield. Both have had dominating performances and games where they have done nothing. They have been asked to do things a little differently but their skill sets are virtually identical.Sean Payton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nate Hackett (and I want to give NH a fair shake)
What do you think Payton could do with Spiller? And Spiller has already had better rushing seasons than Bush has. Bush may be a better receiver, but Spiller is the better rusher.
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Bush also had a 90 catch season. He was an awesome weapon in the Super Bowl run. He ran back 1-2 punts in the one Monday night game. I have followed both pretty closing living in NOLA and they are very, very similar. They are home run, big play guys but not very down backs.He's better than Bush. Bush has barely top 1,000 yards twice in 8 years and his best season he averaged 5 ypc. Spiller went over 1,200 yards at 6 ypc in his 3 season and didn't top 1,000 last year because he had one of the worst injuries a running back could have.
Put it this way. I'd be way more disappointed to lose SPiller than I would Byrd. Because Spiller still hasn't reached his ceiling.
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I think that Spiller is a weapon too. He is a weapon like Reggie Bush is though not like AD. He is not an every down back. He is a guy that needs 12-15 touches a game in space and he may bust one. He needs to catch more balls out of the backfield and less runs between the tackles. I like Spiller a lot as a weapon but I wouldn't be shocked (at all) if he is dealt.Well, I'd be very disappointed if they don't. He battled an high ankle sprain and still showed flashes. Rbs who get over 1,200 yards while averaging 6 ypc and 10 yards per catch are special. My biggest fault with the coaching is the inability to get Spiller in space. If you can't figure out how to use a weapon like Spiller, that's bad coaching.
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Dixon is certainly a power guy. Seastrunk and Chris Johnson are definitely speed guys. There is no need to have 2 speed guys at RB. I can't think of any team that does. That's kind of why they call them "change of pace" backs. I cannot imagine a scenario where your RBs include Spiller and either of those guys. Something's up...Not sure this staff views Spiller as special. Especially the way last year went, and his penchant for getting strung out. At Syracuse,Marrone used the speed back, Prince Tyson-Gulley, as more of a change up. Maybe Spiller will be traded to move up in the draft. They certainly seem to be bringing in power backs to OBD.
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Just to throw it out there Spiller and 9 for the 1st or 2nd pick? The Bills can pick up CJ2K or Seastrunk in the 3rd to be the speed guy.Thats the first thing that came to my mind
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The Bills can take Clowney, Watkins, Mack or Robinson at 1 or 2. I am just trying to connect the dots. We know that the Bills have inquired about the 1st pick. Now we know that they have inquired on 2 speed backs. There is certainly smoke, let's see if there is fire....
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This surprised me a little bit. Maybe they are considering trading Spiller? We have talked about that on here before.
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I'm with you. We had this discussion after the Chandler signing and I came up with 23 TE (excluding rookies) that I would rather have than Chandler. There were a few that may have been debatable but it seemed by lot accounts it would be tough to put him in the top 20. While there are worse players in the league (and on the team) than Chandler he is not much better than serviceable. He is just such a limited athlete. He would be a good number 2 but a below average #1.Thing is, for a dynamic tight end it can work. They are supposed to be a challenge that can out run a linebacker or overpower a safety. Part is he was only 9 months removed from the ACL and wasn't a dynamic athlete before that. The plant and cut up field simply wasn't something he seemed able to accomplish last year. For a big guy he often just looked small (that's both in the run and pass game).
What you reference though does speak to part of why beerball chirping 53 catches didnt impress me as I felt like many ended in disappointment.
He's a good 2, but not a great 1
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Does anyone think that this greatly increases the chances of the Bills moving up to get 1 of those top 4 position players? Yes, we all know that the draft is deep but so is your team for the most part (outside of OL). If the Bills can go up and grab an elite talent it may make some sense. I used Clowney earlier but think about even Mack. What kind of LB core would Kiko, Spikes and Mack be? Kiko and Mack would play in the nickel. That would be awesome IMO.
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Totally agree!! They can draft BPA, trade up, trade down and just improve the overall talent level of the roster. I am not sure that this changes their targets it just adds flexibility.Another thing I like about this...
Gives us more draft flexibility. He's no guarantee, obviously, but neither is a draft pick. As long as he's healthy, though, its reasonable to expect production from him.
I really don't see this team having any glaring holes outside of offensive line, at the moment. It'd be nice to have better players in a couple spots, but we aren't drafting this year out of dire need. This is great.
Would anyone be opposed at this point to pick 9, 41 and next year's second for Clowney? You can draft James (UT) or someone like that in the 3rd to play RT.
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I actually think that the Williams and Rogers situations are similar. That is kind of why I like it. A 1 year tryout for a guy that has question marks and a lot of talent and all that it cost you is a 6th round pick? That is all that I wanted for Rogers (at the expense of Hogan). I don't want to turn this into another Rogers thread we already have a really long one but the situations are similar.Listen, Mike Williams made two stupid decisions, but they were off the field, and he was known as a great teammate on the Bucs, and was liked by his coaches. He's not a thug, a bad attitude, or a distraction in the locker room. I'm glad we cut DaRick rogers. He had a bad attitude. That taunting bullcrap to his own teammates in camp was not going to be tolerated by Marrone.
Philosophically I am all for taking low risk gambles on talented players. If they traded a 3rd for MW I may feel differently. It's hard to find talent in the NFL. It is usually costly to do that and in the case the Bills got talent for a minimal investment.
Trade up with Jacksonville
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