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Be more clear who you’re directing it to then. You painted a broad brush. We wouldn’t have a country without our military.

Agreed on all counts

Ok, so we’ve gotten to the place I have stated we would, we will have to agree to disagree, but I suppose maybe you’ve achieved your end which was to maybe make me look like a racist or something? I don’t know, I won’t pretend to know what your motivations are. Agree to disagree, your explanations and others on here are not pursusive to me. They are simply window dressing and smoke and mirrors to my ears. Pride in our country? Is that not a good reason?

What is tag?

I was simply providing a good faith alternative to what Jauronimo saw as malice from posters on this board. That’s what we need more of but that in itself appears political.

Also, what happened to just being prideful of your country, that never used to be political, it was just us being proud of what we had accomplished however blemished. The creep of ideology in one direction over time has made it a controversial thing to wave a flag, sing the national anthem, and be proud of your country lest you be called a Nazi. This does seem to be getting overtly political, to no one’s surprise. I’m not wanting to get in trouble, so if this needs to be moved or whatnot like a mod earlier said, then let’s do it. If you see fit of course. Agreed, but everything you do, every action you do, everything you say, these days is political. That’s the sad reality. Legacy of micro-agressions come home to roost.

You must not have read my posts, I am not worried about a thing. I was just pointing out the antagonistic nature of Juronimos posts. There are things to be concerned with if you are a paid subscriber. Why not attach good faith and take them at their word and not make it political. I’m not a subscriber of that publication so I don’t care. For me NYT taking over will make me less likely to ever buy a subscription however. There were those that are outwardly political about why they wouldn’t but there many that were not. He lumped them all together and acted like they were beneath him.

I would not say the singing of the national anthem is a political statement. We live in the country, it’s anthem is the national anthem, no more or less. It seems strange you point that out as political. Neither do fly overs, it’s been conflated military recruitment. It’s just a show, a cool one at that. Only in todays discourse where if you are for singing the national anthem, you’re a redneck of sorts. That’s silly. Again my point was that politics should not be included in sports and an outlet that figures that out would likely make a lot of money, especially in the NFL. Talk football, leave the rest at the door. This has all gone to the wayside in the last decade or so when silence = complicity has been adopted.

Oh no, off the wall, I hope we don't get banned or points for this. Mods, pleas move to PPP if you see fit. I don't have a ton of time to devote to this, not the time I would need to rigorously discuss anyway. If your argument is simply that politics have been part of sports throughout all of athletics as we know it, then of course it is. My argument in that particular thread was that media constantly portrays and amplifies the politics in sports in today's world. The sports media outlet that figures out there is a big market for those who wish to make sports a get away from all the 24 hour political news cycle on top of the rest of the stuff we have to deal in our lives, will reap the rewards. Maybe I'll start it, it's not a bad idea thinking about it. The point I was making in that thread is that someone can be genuinely concerned that NYT may interject something they do not like into the sports reporting that will make the Athletic unreadable to them, and that's a valid concern. That's their personal opinion and does not need to be sassed and made fun of and made to feel beneath the likes of Jauronimo (sp?) because he clearly does not like their politics. This is the problem with our discourse, there is an underlying "gotcha" type of attitude that he was personifying and I just felt like pointing it out this morning, as I could not sleep and wanted to banter.

The argument that a thing has always been a thing so it's "right" is a very tenuous argument. Also, thanks for moving the discussion over here.

We can debate that in PPP, it’s more than a yes or no question.

Again, you keep baiting me into trying to talk politics here. When I do the same thing or take the bait, I get suspended. I’m wondering if the same thing happens to others who argue a point that you would likely argue vs my viewpoints. Spags is definitely the authority on Jets info. I would defer to him over any other Jets punditry or journalist.

It did not but I see it’s gone over your head also. I’m not arguing your political point, my point is apolitical. If you all want to have a debate on politics in sports, I have strong opinions on that. We can move over to PPP but I’m sure we’ll just have to agree to disagree in the end.

It’s not pertinent to my point.

You’re wading into something I have opinions on but is not pertinent to what we’re talking about. I’ll leave it at that

I’m not wading into that conversation, this is all besides the point. Sports should be about sports, that’s what the subscribers have come to expect and they have a reasonable expectation that it remains that way. They can surmise from previous situations where buy out like this has happened and hope that the content does not change, can they not?

Pot calling kettle black eh?

But do the snow shovelers need tbe Bills? Probably, because they need to pay bills but I thought the question needed to be asked at least.

Wow, you have an axe to grind don’t you? I don’t have a dog in this fight. I know what satire is, and it can be used to troll. Just as you did. I’m not interjecting my political beliefs, you are reading what you want from what I’m saying. I’m leaving that up to you to determine. I personally don’t care what happens here, and if you’re admitting this is a political thread and you continue to post political things, I’m not sure how you don’t get suspended for talking politically? My entire premise is, it’s fair for someone to not want things to change in a direction that they feel would ruin the publication based on track record of what they’ve seen happen. That’s an opinion, not right or wrong, it doesn’t need to be made political, that’s what you’ve done with your “smart” responses, antagonizing.

Yeah, that’s what I thought too as I heard he was blaming it on that. All that jumping around and pumping the crowd up, did not even seem to be favoring his ankle to me. Ah yes, carrying it into another thread, no torch here. Strange show though.

First, the part about what tbe NYT and ESPN has done in the past is a critique on your stance that people think they will overnight the change, you’re belittling them. Not really about whether or not I believe either way will happen. I’m pointing out your trolling. Secondly, yes you’re the one making it political with your statements, most people are hoping it won’t turn into political fodder because of a track record for buy outs like this. It’s fair to be worried about that. No more than that, you took it beyond that. That’s not a ringing endorsement lol

Exactly yes!

You should see the thread on officiating. Interesting read, you're the guinea pig...

Complicated yes, infuriating sometimes, but man do I love this game!

Preach Aaron! You do you!