What a Tuel

I think that most people defending Kromer agree that he overreacted and did something wrong even if he was provoked. However they also believe it is pretty unreasonable to believe that he went after the kids unprovoked. So just understand that when you think defending Kromer means the kid deserved to be hit. He probably didn't but it is for the court of law to decide. It is not the job of the public to exert pressure on high profile companies who will make knee jerk reactions to save face so that this "criminal" will get his "just" punishment. If people think that the punishment is too lenient for this type of crime, change it the right way - through the system. Who are the public to be judge, jury, and executioner - it's mob mentality, and it destroys a lot of peoples lives (even perfectly innocent people). I've said it before in this thread, but I am so tired of this "why does this person still have a job" mentality these days.

The father of someone I knew in high school was named Philip Wade during the Wade Philips tenure.

Geez guys, is it really so hard to believe it was dark out, some kids were messing with his stuff, he confronted them, they were disrespectful, and he overreacted? Is he really the devil at this point? Did he do something wrong? Sure. Should he be charged with battery? Probably. Should he lose his job, and be an outcast for the rest of his life? Get a grip. I know if some kids were pulling chairs from my backyard, I would confront them too. The world isn't all rosey, people make wrong decisions and they are punished for it in court. They don't need to be blacklisted because you read it on the internet. Such an overreaction.

Sometimes non confrontational people try to smooth things over after they know something just went wrong. They could have been calling the police or something and to try to make things better, he tried to help them find their stuff. Kromer shouldn't have punched the kid, but come on. Does anyone really think these kids were just minding their own business and Kromer came out on a tear going "WTF are you doing sitting in my chairs you punks?" and the kids were like "we are sorry Mr. Kromer, we didn't know these were your chairs, honestly!" More like Kromer has had issues with these kids in the past and their stubbornness in being told what to do, and lack of respect led Kromer to fly off the handle. Not exactly justification, but I picture the school teachers who fly off the handle and get fired because the kids in class are so blatently disrespectful and disruptive and they just can't take it anymore. Maybe I am just bias against kids, but they don't start off with a lot of credibility in my book. And who is anyone to tell him otherwise!

A lot of the police and fire departments have facebook pages now a days in which they post details of where they are being called to and for what reason. I don't know what the end game of doing this is but I guess it is a modern version of the police beat.

The comments on that page are just awful. Some of the beauts: Jordan Crowder Don't be mad at us because you have to live in Buffalo. How is a grown man punching a child in the face only a misdemeanor? Trish Day LeClere Oh my gosh. That is crazy. Poor kids just out fishing!!! I hope their parents sue. Doug Moon I guess the Beach really becomes important when you spend time in Buffalo Sheesh Eric Wolf If EJ Manuel was your best option at quarterback.... you might punch a child in the face too. Then there's this one: Dawn Dagenais When my kids were young.... two girls came into my yard bullied my son kicked him ..... my husband yelled at them to get lost and out of the yard. They went home and told THEIR parents that he picked them up over his head and threw them over the fence. All to tell their story before they got in trouble. My husband was arrested. We paid 900$ to a lawyer just to have the parents drop the charges and not show up to court...... moral of the story..... wait for the whole story people..... Just a good reason to take these early reports with a grain of salt. The Bills Organization's next move will determine how serious this is. I have faith that they will not jump to be out of the negative light and fire the guy just because of allegations. The NFL is a different story, but we will see what happens next year with that.

If he had his fist around it, it could have amplified the damage. Maybe he picked up what he thought was a dud and was carrying it. Who knows. Surprised the story hasn't come out yet though. They were playing with some pretty serious fireworks though. I've never fired off the mortar rounds, so maybe someone can elaborate one how one would be injured in that way using those.

Dallas - That Monday night game was brutal not to mention the Super Bowls. Cleveland - Two teams competing to not be the best of mediocrity.

We will have to agree to disagree on Clay. It obviously hasn't been decided who will perform better yet with each in 2 new systems. Cameron was impressive in 2013, but his production dropped sharply, partially because of the concussion issue, partially because defenses started paying attention to him, and partially because of the QB carousel in Cleveland. We will see how he does in Miami. If the Jets/Dolphins do anything the general fanbase will knock them for it haha, that shouldn't be a gauge for how good of a move it was. I also think that if the Dolphins would not have gotten Suh, they likely would have matched for Clay and Cameron might still be in Cleveland, so.....I mean no one knows for sure now, but Miami certainly wanted to keep Clay. Every Philly fan I talk to misses McCoy. They are hesitant to believe Kiko was worth it, and are worried about his injury history. Kiko was great his rookie year, but you have to give to get. We took away from our strength to add to our weakness. We showed last year our defense can handle things without him (and even improved). Putting salaries and age aside, if McCoy and Kiko were in the 2015 draft, who would you prefer the Bills select? Who do you believe we need more?

Foolishly on Shady? What? He is making what he should be making. Top 4 money for a top 4 running back. Lynch just got paid. DeMarco Murray just got paid. Why would we be stingy with McCoy? Because you don't see the value in RB's these days? As for Clay, we spent what we needed to draw a quality tight end out. Something we haven't had in a long time. Jordan Cameron - 2 years $15 million ($7.5 per year) Charles Clay - 5 years $38 million ($7.6 per year) The worst part about Clay is the $10 million dollar roster bonus in 2016, which, like I have said, and you have said, they will work on next year.

The answer is within your post. "There's only so much a team can do within the rules". They haven't done everything they can do to minimize cap issues - yet. We will see it though.

What 2-3 other important players would we lose? And are they more important than Glenn, Gilmore, Bradham, and Dareus? Just watching Dareus play, and the effect of him not being there during the raiders game tells me he is priority one. I could see losing 1, or maybe 2 of the others though. I wouldn't like it, but we have to do what we have to do. I get what you have been saying about restructuring but in some cases it just makes sense. Restructuring Mario so that he retires a Bill? Absolutely, same with Kyle. Add that to the CAP going up, and I don't think we will be in cap hell like the Saints. No we likely won't be able to get a big money QB if one becomes available, and next year we won't make a big free agency splash, but we already have the talent on our team to retain.

We can if we don't have a 20 million a year QB. And I don't see one on the horizon, do you? There is Rivers next year, but most think he isn't going anywhere, and that if he does, it won't be to Buffalo for the same reasons he won't go to LA. We won't ever be good if we constantly shed our good players because we don't have that franchise QB so we assume we don't have a chance to win. I believe we have a very good chance to win with this team, QB situation considered.

It's hard to tell because you can't see what either are doing with their other hands out of camera view. From what we can see, he obviously grabbed her arm because he felt she was going to throw a punch....that is confirmed when she actually throws the first punch. So the prosecutor thinks he was just grappling with the drunk girl for the fun of it? And then she punched him in self defense? I don't think he should've punched her, he should have just walked away to a different spot at the bar (even if there wasn't any). However she threw the first punch. They should both be charged at that point, it's good to know if someone grabs my arm, I have license to punch them. If she was grabbing his arms and holding them, and he punched her, I have no doubt, he would still most certainly be the one charged in that way for escalating it into a fist fight.

You could be right. I thought about it, but then thought that was more along the jurisdiction of the courts. Then again, I know it happens all the time with police so yeah, you are probably right.

Yeah, can you imagine if they hadn't banned pools? The guy that died in Maine was the first since 2012 when they legalized them. Pool Drownings in NY in 2010? 2. I am on the side of not banning them because of accidents. Accidents are a part of life and are the responsibility of the person, and not the responsibility of the government to protect us from our own actions. Obviously an irrational person could go off the mark and think of that as a belief we should be lawless, but a rational person would think that it is a balance of prevention, and responsibility. Somethings we need to prevent, and some things we need to be responsible for. But yes, the laws are a joke. Either ban them or don't, but they simply don't enforce those laws. a few dozen counties in NY legalized sparkler varieties because they were tired of people simply going to PA or getting them elsewhere and not paying NY tax. But to not charge a guy who clearly had illegal fireworks when he got hurt is simply ignoring the law. Unless I am missing some reason why they don't believe they were his?

I think that he could have phrased it better but really? Anyone with knowledge of the context, or have seen the video would know exactly what he was getting at and meant. What sounds like a punk are the keyboard warriors that are harassing him because he said there should be consequence for a woman hitting a man. And he was clearly talking police.

Fireworks laws are such jokes haha. "If" they charge him? Weren't they at the scene with the illegal fireworks? Why wouldn't he be charged? Because firework laws are a joke, and only make it harder for lazy people like me to drive to PA to get them.

People tell me that intent or meaning doesn't matter, and that only the offended persons feelings on the matter are significant. If an Irishman takes offense to the name, (or more likely someone who isn't Irish, connecting the dots, and saying wow, isn't that offensive?), then all reason goes out the window, and it is offensive, and should be changed because it is ruining "someone's" day. I am very curious why someone would name a team the Redskins and put an Indian on their logo, if it was meant to be offensive? "Man I really hate those guys, I'll put their face on my national football team! That'll teach'em!!"

What part was wrong? The part where Wilson didn't complete a pass until the last 5 minutes of the second half? Or that there were a ton of 3 and outs? 1st Drive - 3 and out / Punt 2nd Drive - Moved 12 yards / Punt 3rd Drive - 3 and out / Punt 4th Drive - TD 5th Drive - TD 6th Drive - FG 7th Drive - Pats* Turnover / SEA turns into TD 8th Drive - 3 and out 9th Drive - 3 and out 10th Drive - 3 and out 11th Drive - Wilson's Big Drive

So you are asking a fan base that has been deprived of a decent QB for 15 years whether or not they would let one go if they had one? I am sure a lot of people would say sure, pay the man. I am not sure fans are the best gauge for that type of thing or that it is good rationale on what Wilson should make.

I am ok with this. Just don't tell me I can't.

I certainly watched the game. I also saw him not complete a pass until 5 minutes left in the 1st half. If you watched that game you would know that it was a game chock full of 3 and outs sprinkled with blown coverage on a drive or two.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/01/obama-administration-team-should-change-name-before-returning-to-d-c/?partner=ya5nbcs I think it warrants it's own thread, but I'll leave that up to someone else. Curious if the next President will keep that threat alive seeing as how Obama won't see a new stadium from the White House before he is gone.

I know people have bad games, but the guy throws 4 INTs in the packers conference championship, and threw the game losing INT in the super bowl on 21 pass attempts. For reference Brady threw 50. What exactly is the guy leading?