FireChan

Maybe if David didn't suck, he could've been Derek.

Yep, cut TT. Romo is the guy. Draft a QB as backup.

I am very confident Shaq will not play at an All-Pro Mario Williams 2014 level in 2017. As if having that opinion makes me ignorant.

Yep. We have no All-Pro player who is the second best in the NFL in his position like Mario. He absolutely fell off, but he was dominant in 2014. Shaq ain't getting 14.5 sacks or setting the edge like him.

Greg

John thinks McDermott means it's a 2014 time machine with McCoy and TT added. It ain't. Our best player from 2014 is an inch from retirement, our second best is a pot smoking idiot about to suspended for the millionth time, and our third is ancient.

Wow, fans want to win. Unreal crusade right there.

Vic absolutely has sources at OBD.

Thank god the Jets re-signed Fitz instead of rolling the dice.

I agree, I would look at other G's this offseason and grab some competition/depth. Miller is still young and may still develop.

46 posters want TT over a guy whose thrown for 9000 yards and 63 TDs to 23 INTs in 2 years. Never has there been a better indicator that the "general consensus" on this board is laughable.

Fair enough, you've wriggled out of that one. What are the 5 worst positions on our starting 11 on O relative to the league?

I still think he's around 20.

John Miller isn't the 20th best RG in the league, IYO?

#spinzone Are we extrapolating TT and not Alex Smith here? Irrelevant to where we are today. What are the worst 3 positions on the offenses starting 11?

Why would your philosophy be a strong defense John? Because the offense isn't good, maybe?

Yes yes, and Andy Levitre was the best G in the NFL according to PFF.

Remember when you called Bradford an injury risk because he's only played 2 full seasons? I think Smith plays a significant part in KC winning. What was their record before they got him? What was the Bills record before we got TT? Flacco has a history of winning with some down years. Give him Sammy, Clay and McCoy and he'd eat.

TT has never played a full season. Alex Smith wins more than TT. Undebatable. Agree on Palmer, still better than TT with his body falling apart. Flacco is legit and way better than TT.

Ranking TT over both Flacco and Eli invalidates his everything. Gregggggggggggggggg should stop posting.

"you'd be hardpressed to find a guy who wouldn't take at least two of them over TT. And if that's the case, that's not cracking 20." It's not just TT vs Smith. You'd have to say "I'd take him over Smith and x." Not happening. It may have something to do with which QB wins a lot of games and which does not.

Sammy would finally be happy, at least.

No. Bradford was legit last season. 3800 yards, 20 TD's, 5 INT's. 71.6% completion percentage. Alex Smith is a winner, perennial playoff guy, but probably the closest to TT Palmer had a down year, but still threw 26 TD's and 4200 yards. Only 1 year removed from a 35 TD, 4600 yard year. I'd take all 3 of those guys over TT next season, and I think you'd be hardpressed to find a guy who wouldn't take at least two of them over TT. And if that's the case, that's not cracking 20.

I think Smith is still a guy you should looking to upgrade from, but at least he wins in the regular season. If that's what folks really want, he makes the most sense.

My point is that TT is closer to "bottom third starter" than "average QB." I can't see anyone ranking him over these guys, in no particular order: 1 Brees 2 Brady 3 Ryan 4 Ben 5 Stafford 6 Rivers 7 Rodgers 8 Flacco 9 Luck 10 Palmer 11 Wilson 12 Dalton 13 Jameis 14 Eli 15 Carr 16 Prescott 17 Cam 18 Bradford 19 Smith 20 Mariota He's right around that 21st spot with Tannehill at best. And personally, I put Tanny over him.