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Don't forget Smith only played half that year I'm 2012. I don't really care if he gets a fraction better. I don't ever believe he'll be good enough.

That's VERY cheap. Wow. Only 2 years removed from back to back 12 TD seasons and 1200 yards.

If they trade for Romo, they'd want/need picks sooner rather than later to think short term. Trading Smith away post-Romo is the most beneficial with a 2017 pick, IMO. Not the first time Whaley wheeling and dealing picks has hurt us more than it's helped. This is Harvin instead of Marshall all over again. 2 QB's have been listed in the last 33 years who got better after 6 years of suck. May as well plan on our next 6th round pick QB being Brady, or finding the next Kurt Warner.

You would have to worry about Denver or Houston swooping in with that low of an offer.

You make the cardinal mistake of not realizing that statistically they are about the same. No one is saying Smith is a better QB than Brees because he wins more when Brees throws for a billion TD's. I mean, you're blaming Rex Ryan for the poor coaching of Tyrod. Throwing stones in glass houses and all that. Smith won more with Roman coaching. Period. He had almost triple the comebacks and game winning drives as TT, which correlates 100% to wins. TT sucks at the 2min drill and winning games when down. That's the clear difference between the QB's. One wins games. The other does not. Rail against that fate all you like.

Probably the same. Roman was both of their OC's for a year+. I'd bet that 19-5 W-L is better than 14-14 W-L.. 6 4thQCB and 6 GWD is better than 2 and 3. Oh, and that 5 TD's, no INTs and 1-1 in the postseason is better than golfing.

These statements don't make sense. Also, Alex Smith and TT ran the same offensive system in Smith's 2011/2012 campaigns and TT's 20156/2016 campaigns. Are you arguing that Rex was hands on with his QB? Oh, so now one is more of a QB stat, when you say it is. But the other one "isn't." You are talking yourself in circles. Ball in his hand. #AllHandoffsMatter While that certainly is better than sucking every year like Rex....

That's why you don't blindly do it.

Didn't you just post PPG as a QB stat? Nice buffet style argument. That big buffoon? Reid is okay, but nothing special.

I honestly cannot think of a single QB in living memory who sucked for his first 6 years and then got decent, outside of Smith. I can't say his existence disproves anything, rather that he was 1 QB in a million who bucked the trend. Rex isn't an offensive coach. Not sure you know what you're talking about there.

No one cares what happened 10 years ago. No one cared that Peyton Manning threw a bunch of picks his first year. It's irrelevant.

Can we have some W-L fun? Where's that at?

I don't personally care. We are getting the Tyrod of today or the Alex Smith of today. What happened in 2006 with Alex Smith doesn't really indicate what will happen in 2017. Alex Smith's last 4 years, he's posted a 41-20 record as a starter. TT has posted 14-14 in the last 2. I'll take the guy who wins twice as much as he loses. Better for business, IMO.

lol. He played 16 games twice in his first 6 years. I swear, the spin zone is getting better than ever.

With wins and playoffs.

Alex Smith is a clear upgrade over TT. Time to duck.

You know what they say, BADOL. The better you are, the luckier you get

You're right. Whoops. Most QB's who are available through FA or trade are because they aren't that good. There are notable exceptions, but most of them are available because they've proven to not be good enough. Not all developmental QB's are the same. A 26 year old 5 year vet is barely a "developmental" QB. Jeff Tuel didn't have the same odds of succeeding as Cardale. This franchise obviously is gun shy of devoting any kind of significant resource to the QB position. What have we spent, in terms of draft picks/assets and money on QB's since 2013? A 1st, a 4th, a 5th and a 7th and about 10 vet minimum contracts. That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous to pretend bringing in Matt Cassel/Kevin Kolb/Jordan Palmer/Jeff Tuel/TT/Thad Lewis is anything but basement bargain shopping. If you don't want to take a guy every year, fine. I disagree, but if you aren't using your first round or second round pick on a QB every 3 years when you don't have "the guy," I have to honestly wonder if you deserve a job in the modern NFL.

No, they played excellent against the Pats too. Twice. The Pats had Brady, Gronk and Edelman all healthy in the postseason, and they got beat worse than when they played the Brocketship in the regular season with those guys missing. That Broncos team stopped playing offense in the third quarter of the AFCCG and still won that game. Ridiculous to say they got "lucky." The Pats would have been "unlikely" to have beaten the Broncos if Peyton was in 2014 or 2013 form too. They got the opportunity to face an anemic offense and lost straight up. The Pats struggled at the end of 2015, but got healthy for the postseason. Gronk put up 250+ yards and 3 TD's in the postseason. Edelman had 10 catches for 100 yards versus KC the week before. The argument that the Pats lost in the playoffs because of lack of health is ludicrous. Too early to tell? Yes. Do I like his odds of being the 10 year starter in Oakland? Yes. If his last 3 years were on the Bills, would I be calling for Whaley's head? Absolutely not. The stupid question you keep posing is not valid. It's never been "Whaley needs to find a HoF QB or he sucks and should be fired." It's been that Whaley routinely passes on upper QB prospects when we don't have a clear cut guy on the roster. It's not that he hasn't found a guy in 3 years. It's that he does not try enough. Do you not yet understand that Whaley has only drafted 1 QB in the first 3 rounds in 4 seasons? Like come on dude. Are we that stable at QB? The Raiders took Cook in the fourth round and they had plenty of reasons to be hopeful with Carr for Christssake. If you think Whaley has tried his best to find a QB, you are clearly content with mediocrity for eternity. Imagine if we went into the 2017 training camp with Chase Daniels, Cardale, and Aaron Murray at QB. That's what we did in 2015. How is that even remotely acceptable?

Is Derek Carr a HoFer? He carried his team to the playoffs once. Just admit you made your original post with the "Hall of Famer" nonsense to try to make anyone who "disagrees" with you look stupider than you. As to your actual question, it depends on : A. How many QB's your GM drafts B: How many successful QBs are found during that period C:How many egregious mistakes are made in that period I'd say 6 years, but 4 gets worrisome when they don't take shots.

Again, a question dodge. You're really good at saying nothing in an attempt to look superior. What metrics? What QB's in the top 15 aren't good enough for you?

Dork is just king of saying things that sound reasonable but don't hold up under cursory examination. "Top 10 in performance" actually means nothing. There's no definition behind it. Between that and his penchant for making sweeping, incorrect claims like, "How long until a GM is fired for not finding a HoF QB," he gets the responses he's not looking for. HoF is very mutlfactorial and very subjective, IMO.

DJT took Spicer's phone.

All of them?

In what measure? Yards? Passer rating? TD's thrown? TD/INT ratio?