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You think Lee Smith contributed net zero? You can't laud the 3 TE blocking scheme that we ran entirely too much, while simultaneously giving the TE's no credit for the run game.

2 year + 2 year player option for RB's rookie deals. They have a much shorter average career, they don't need to get chained to their rookie deals. Spiller is gonna be 28 next season. That's ridiculous.

Right, because most of these kids think they get a degree and two months later, they're a CEO. Or they lack all ambition and just assume it'll work it out.

If his information is telling him he's gonna be a 2nd rounder, he should go. I would.

Randle looked pretty good spelling for Demarco. Don't know if he can handle 25 carries a game though.

That's a contract that I could accept for Spiller. If that's the market for Demarco, wow. Spiller is gonna get 500k.

Of course, I knew that.

I'll never forget Lee falling into the crowd. Probably the best memory of his career. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Lee-Smith-becomes-internet-sensation/fa710678-4815-448f-9b41-614d613fd272

The best part is that he changes two sentences, then copy pastes his post into every thread. The ultimate LAMP.

Milktoast.

You're projecting. I think winning percentage is skin deep analysis in this case. There is no implication about who is better.

I just think the winning percentage comparison is skin deep at best.

That's exactly what I'm saying. You said this. You don't like RR because he was not that good at NYJ as he was 46-48. But you'd like Schwartz whose record in Detroit was 29-52, a .358 winning percentage. I just said comparing winning percentages ignores context a little bit and it may not be fair. Because you compared winning percentages.

This is such a tough question. I think you keep a guy for 2 years minimum. Then, by his third year, if he his not playing well enough to reasonably keep you in contention for the post-season, you start to look elsewhere. The problem is, if you have a great team around the young guy, you can hide his deficiencies or at least use the "he's playing well enough to win games" argument, which sort of works. With the salary cap, however, getting a lesser team is almost guaranteed and the wheels come off. As evidence, I submit the Blane Gabbert's and Mark Sanchez's first two seasons. If Blaine was on NY in 09-10, he would've lasted a lot longer due to the team being so great. If Mark had the same two first seasons on the Jags, he would not have lasted 5 years there.

I wasn't trying to critique your post, but to tell you that changing the mind of the lunatic fringe is not going to happen. They will simply disappear until EJ throws a pick and reign triumphant.

He doesn't have the best win percentage. I think Haurbaugh surpasses him there. But he has the most wins.

Yes, I do. I also know that posting 4 paragraphs in attempt to change their mind is foolhardy. They are knee-jerkers. It's like arguing with posters in the gameday thread. Nothing is gonna change.

Didn't say Schwartz was "so good." Do you think the only thing holding back the worst team in NFL history was the QB?

He has won more games against BB/Brady than anyone else.

I haven't seen anybody of merit say anything about Manuel not being an option. I have seen folks of merit say that he's not good enough right now, and we need to get a guy in case he stops progressing.

You're right. It is not a physical limitation with EJ, which cannot be overcome. That's definitely better than the alternative. You can count the successful weak armed QB's on a thumb. I also agree that it is not his biggest problem, but IMO it's the one thing that could really help the Bills offense. Accuracy is not a light bulb, but if EJ even sees a little bit of an improvement throwing deep, it will help our offense immensely.

That's not the assumed certitude. We saw what happened with all our eggs in the EJ Manuel basket, and some folks want a reasonable back up plan on the roster. Is that so bad? You even admit the chance of him being good is low, and you want to bet everything in 2015 on him?

Rex took over a 9-7 team. Schwartz took over the worst team in NFL history at 0-16. I don't if win percentage is an accurate comparison.

This is a debate that exists only in the minds of posters who crusade or posters who feel the need to defend any perceived slight against EJ da great.

That's the salient point. Everything else is hearsay or insubstantial. All the potential, excuses, reasons, circumstances are just that. None of it makes adequate headway against the fact that EJ has not been successful throwing the deep ball in the NFL. He's had some success, sure. Calling it a strength is a stretch. Anyone, this muddies into an opinion based argument. The fact is that while EJ is young, has the potential to grow, needs others to help around him etc, he has not had much success at throwing the deep ball in the NFL. Period.