Dan Gross

Nadin doesn't care about black people. Good find, the New Orleans and Louisiana emergency plans are linked in down below... Plenty of "future plans" in the NO one...

Hey, great minds...and ours too.

Like I said above:

I've been wondering if there's a way to have pinned threads show up at the bottom of the first page.

I can understand the name possibly fitting, but do you really think a Fleur-de-lis fits with Los Angeles?

I thought Clutch had the scoop days ago that it was a done deal that New Orleans was definitely playing in San Antonio for the season....?

Add Iran to the list, offering aid "if asked to do so." North Korea has sent a letter of condolence through through their Red Cross. I read conflicting reports on whether they are offering aid.

Great rescue effort by One of our own.

Long article on New Orleans and hurricane threats, particularly Category 4 and 5. My best shot at key quotes: " The design of the original levees, which dates to the 1960s, was based on rudimentary storm modeling that, it is now realized, might underestimate the threat of a potential hurricane. Even if the modeling was adequate, however, the levees were designed to withstand only forces associated with a fast-moving hurricane that, according to the National Weather Service’s Saffir-Simpson scale, would be placed in category 3. If a lingering category 3 storm—or a stronger storm, say, category 4 or 5—were to hit the city, much of New Orleans could find itself under more than 20 ft (6 m) of water. Some experts worry that even a less severe storm could flood the city. In the 40 years since the design criteria were established for New Orleans’s hurricane protection levees, southeastern Louisiana’s coastline has been subsiding—settling in on top of itself—even as the natural height of the sea rises. A century ago any hurricane heading toward New Orleans would have had to traverse a 50 mi (80 km) buffer of marshland. Today that marsh area is only half as broad and the hurricane would be striking a city that itself sinks lower every day." Hurricane Betsy was used as the benchmark for improving the levee system, and their "modeling" was a rudimentary application of Newton's 2nd law. "According to [ACE Levee project manager Al] Naomi, any concerted effort to protect the city from a storm of category 4 or 5 will probably take 30 years to complete. And the feasibility study alone for such an effort will cost as much as $8 million. Even though Congress has authorized the feasibility study, funding has not yet been appropriated. When funds are made available, the study will take about six years to complete. 'That’s a lot of time to get the study before Congress,' Naomi admits. 'Hopefully we won’t have a major storm before then.'" Estimates from a variety of sources (Red Cross and others) indicate that Cat 4/5 hurricane hitting New Orleans would strand up to 400,000 people (including the 100,000 without transport), and kill 25,000-100,000. A lot in there about other ways to protect the city (including an "interior wall" concept and saving the nearby wetlands (the Coast 2050 plan). EII...your thoughts?

And point out that: a.) it's one of about 30 current articles on the aftermath, and you have to search to find it, b.) the point of the article is the "doom and gloom" about the remaining people, but it bothers to also cover the heroic efforts of the rescuers, the Coast Guard in particular. Sorry that in condensing those points, you missed that while I was giving them some credit, it was very little, and something the casual reader (90% of the people reading) would have likely missed.

In the meantime, people in the predominantly white parishes outside New Orleans who are smaller in number but still in dire straits are being largely ignored by both thr gov't and the media....yeah, it's a race thing... I just read that the coast guard has rescued nearly twice as many people during Katrina as they have over the last 50 years. Decent kudos buried in the doom and gloom here... if you know where to look for it... I hear ya.

I saw on the crawl on CNN that Kuwait will potentially give $500 million in assistance and oil....going through their legislative process now...

And I hear from certain mid-west folks that you feed a lamb retatta and she'll do anything...

Read, when you have a couple hours...the answer comes up early...

Sorry to hear, man. Glad it was the doctor that diagnosed it and not the coroner, as happens all too often with younger folks...

Link for the lazy folks...of course Gas Buddy was already listed in the pinned Consumer Sites thread...In fact, I'd pin Glenn's post, but then no one would read it...

Yeah, that thread got moved to PPP. Thanks for posting this here.

Add Qatar to the list. Good summary here of foreign assistance offered so far...

Yeah, I saw the same video. Relatively large expanse of open water, good for cushioning the fall and small chance of dropping it on someone. Just like at the Superdome. Oh, and that box looked like it was big enough to supply 10,000 people, right? No? 5,000? No? So even if it does drop safely you'd probably have to drop hundreds of them to supply the folks there. Who is there to keep people from stampeding over to those boxes as they drop? I would imagine that people would simply stand by and wait nicely until the last box dropped, correct? And then make an orderly progression over to the supplies, right? And then how many people would drown in their homes while this operation went on? They are dropping now because they have handfuls of people patrolling their own neighborhoods looking for neighbors to save. The mayor said in his evacuation statement that people needed to bring 3-5 days worth of provisions to the shelters with them, as the city would be unable to supply them....

Besides Bib's pay is not directly proportional to how convincingly he can sensationalize a situation...

Losman didn't throw those INT's again, did he? Youda thunk he woulda learned the first two times...

Hey, in the mandatory evacuation address the mayor told people who were going to the shelters to bring 3-5 days worth of food as well. He knew just beforehand it would take days for relief to arrive... Of course he also said in the same address that the gov't would commandeer equipment and vehicles to assist in evacuating those who couldn't...

Hmmmm, the Governor's statement on the mandatory evacuation status on the 28th included the following: “I want to thank the following people: President Bush for his concern; Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi and his outstanding team of professionals; the many governors who have called offering help; “The parish presidents, mayors and elected officials of southeast Louisiana who have cooperated magnificently; the emergency personnel all across the state; FEMA’s presence and support; the news media for delivering information to our people. " ...but I thought FEMA didn't bother to do anything until Thursday...?

...and, according to this timeline, Bush signed disaster declarations on the 27th, which I believe is effectively what the note (sent a day later, on the 28th) is asking for...am I wrong?

MMMMM, yes.