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It would be an intriguing ticket that's for sure. I see Hillary is starting to give her staffers their notice to quit. I wonder if "suspend" versus "concede" has something to do with the millions of dollars she lent her campaign... Now she can get that rolling pin to Bubba's head for his indiscretions on the campaign trail.

It woulda been fun to see Obama versus Dean.

This is old news and there was no wrongdoing on Obama's part. To be sure he didn't benefit from the actions of a crook he's donated the funding they said he received and washed his hands of it. None of us ever know when a connection is going to turn out to be a bad apple. Hillary's making a fuss over this would just revive Whitewater....where she took the same position as Obama has in this case. She can't accuse him without re-opening the investigation into herself. I always thought that maybe the Clintons got railroaded over Whitewater ... even so she'd be a fool to go there. When you have such a large circle of friends, acquaintenance, colleagues and hangers-on as these guys - whether they're entertainers, or politicians - this stuff will happen occasionally.

Pathetic. She is going to stupid herself right out of politics. It may have worked in Arkansas but not in the national limelight. Since Bush, people are sick and tired of arrogance and getting strongarmed. Obama was supposed to lose...he didn't. Obama was supposed to stumble...he didn't. Even the New York State delegation is pressuring her to cut it out. "Meglomania" is hard to spell ... "Hillary" will make a nice substitute.

She's just trying to bully her way onto the ticket. I am not sure who I favor - Sibelius or Clark or Richardson perhaps - but I don't see Obama/Clinton as a dream ticket. Obama has run a near-perfect campaign so far and I don't think he's going to make a slip-up in this regard. He's been able to deflect all the clumsy Clinton attacks to date and I'm sure he's ready for the usual inept character assassinations that will be forthcoming from the right....

I know, they really suck. I watch them with horrid fascination to see just how BAD they can get. IF you can't be the BEST, be the BEST at being the WORST. That's a philosphy I learned from being a Bills fan and it's served me well relative to the M's.

And you're a jerk. Anyone knows that new technology is often too pricey for the masses. Did everyone own a car in the early 20th century? No. Did everyone own a VCR in the 1970's? Not likely. Cable? Satellite? Course not. It was expensive. $1500 for a VCR as I recall. Now, $70. DUH. The oil companies have been in business for DECADES. And, I'm not talking about the ENERGY. I'm talking about the fact that if there is truly a viable vehicle that can be charged via a standard home electrical outlet, and if it can be manufacturered at a reasonable price, eventually the corner Shell station, and it's products, are GONE. Or at least substantially changed, because in 10-20 years people won't need gas. So Big Oil will have to cast about in other countries / markets to make their OBSCENE profits. Or, figure out a way to get in on the increased dependence on electricity. Last night's news showed this vehicle and interviewed the CEO. This thing came from a bunch of nerds: Honeywell. Boeing. Raytheon. etc. The car is a converted SUV (you'd recognize it). The CEO says that he's been talking to the car makers but it's like turning the Queen Mary to get them to make a decision. He isn't gonna make them, he doesn't WANT to make them, he is going to make the technology available, for a license fee of course. He's four years ahead of Detroit in his R&D. It would seem like they would, at a time when they're having a little trouble unloading the gas guzzlers, consider exploring this particularly since it could possibly mean minimal BOM modification and retooling as opposed to a complete shift from a design and manufacturing perspective. Don't call names - I realize the stick up your butt probably hurts like hell but that's no reason to take it out on other people.

I didn't see Obama's speech. Watched part of McCain's but he has such a whiny voice I turned to Deadliest Catch....watched part of Hillary's but she's so stupid I turned to the Mariners game...turned back to see Obama just leaving the stage.

The most interesting analyses I heard last night was the comparison of speeches: 1) Hillary - me me me 2) McCain - Obama sucks 3) Obama - making America and the world a better place Gee I wonder why Obama won the nomination

Hillary's speech last night made my skin crawl. At first I thought she was going to make a gracious concession...they I commented to my husband that she was auditioning for Veep...then it struck me that she's trying to FORCE her way onto the ticket as Veep. It's not gonna work...

And if YOU bothered to read either article you'd see that the private sector is very close to a solution but lacks the ability to scale it up to the mass market. So here you have people who've invested the time and $$ to find a solution but lack the desire or wherewithal to bring it to market. They're willing to let someone else do it. And theire relative altruism is totally wasted because without assurances of huge obscene profits apparently the big corporations don't want to take what could be a gift and productize it.

Here is something interesting. You can click on the category and see state-by-state which group favored the candidates and the percentages. If the link doesn't work (there's an ad to skip) just go to www.newyorktimes.com and go to the landing page. This'll settle some arguments, and raise others.

Bought 'em used from private parties. Sorry to rain on your parade. The big corporations got their money from someone else, not me.

You mean the car that I've put 1500 miles on since 2006? Or my 1998 SUV with 62,000 miles on it? Moderation works too. If people won't or can't practice it then they suffer. I fill up my truck every 6 weeks and the Benz? Who knows, it has a big gas tank, I think I may have filled it about 5 times since I got it. I take the bus, walk, or don't go before I drive.

Don't address that to ME, address it to the person who originally made the statement about corporations wanting to make it reasonably priced and within reach of the average Joe. Clearly that's not gonna happen.

one would hope so but that won't drive their profits and that's really all they care about

It depends on what is taxed and how. For the 40-50k I pay in taxes annually I get roads, cops, firefighters, stoplights and metro bus system when and where I need them. I have to share them with others, but they're there when I need them. On my own I couldn't afford it. In this case we have a guy putting his own money into R&D for something that can be shared globally to solve a huge problem. Unfortunely our BIG GOVERNMENT (grown bigger under GOP, which is YOUR party) will find a way to insure that some corporation takes it and makes it unaffordable by the people who need it most....and then when it does "trickle down" (the mantra of your party, which really translates to "the crumbs from the rich man's table") there will be regulations and taxes. Here is another interesting article. This vehicle is on the road, and it costs $1 for it to go 40 miles. Note that it can go up to 90 mph with acceptable acceleration. And it's been doing this for YEARS. The inventor merely wants to license the technology, yet no-one is biting yet. Why not, one would have to wonder? Could it be that the BIG OIL interests have not yet figured out a way to get their piece of this? Of course not. If everyone owned a car that plugged into a standard wall outlet, where would their obscene profits go?

That's for the research and trials. As if corporate America isn't going to come up with it and make it affordable to "the little people". You of all people should know better. If someone truly figured out how to run a car on tap water the govt would figure out a way to either regulate or tax it.

I saw a different poll that has Obama leading by 10% and also that the preponderance of Americans agree with him (against McCain) on his stance to talk with nutjob Iran PRIOR to attacking. It's June. See me in October.

Kind of unlikely, but it would be a great legacy. Considering so far all it's cost him is $120k and it could set the course for a measure of freedom from oil dependency. Who knows? Everyone thought the Wright brothers, Christopher Columbus and Galileo, among others, were nuts so perhaps this Jonathon Goodwin can succeed. ======from CNN=========== WICHITA, Kansas (AP) -- Neil Young, the rocker who provided some of the soundtrack to Vietnam-era protests, is trying to change the world again -- with his car. Neil Young wants to use his convertible as a template to make electric cars more mainstream. Young has teamed up with Johnathan Goodwin, a Wichita mechanic who has developed a national reputation for re-engineering the power units of big cars to get more horsepower but use less fuel. The two are looking to convert Young's 1959 Lincoln Continental convertible to operate on an electric battery. Ultimately, they said, they want the Continental to provide a model for the world's first affordable mass-produced electric-powered automobile. "Johnathan and this car are going to make history," Young told The Wichita Eagle. "We're going to change the world; we're going to create a car that will allow us to stop giving our wealth to other countries for petroleum." Young has poured about $120,000 so far into the project, Goodwin said. What's more, the prototype power system worked during a 12-mile test drive of the car last week -- albeit with a few glitches. Don't Miss In Depth: Fueling America Electric cars hoping for a spark "She was awesome," Young said of the battery-operated car. "Her acceleration was incredible, she moved with hardly a sound; it was so quiet we could hear the wind through the tags of other cars." The drive almost ended in disaster when Goodwin, who controls acceleration with a knob in the back seat, twisted it the wrong way while approaching an entrance ramp and the vehicle lurched toward the rear of another car. Young, in the passenger seat, was able to hit the brakes in time. "Still needs work," said Goodwin, 37. Young, 62, said he came across taped interviews of Goodwin eight months ago on the Internet, including a segment for the MTV show "Pimp My Ride." Goodwin's clientele includes California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had Goodwin work on his Hummer. Young said he set out wanting his car to be able to use biodiesel, but later asked Goodwin whether they could instead power it with batteries and use it as a template to make electric cars more mainstream. "The technology to make a practical and affordable electric car has been around for a long time," Goodwin said. "There are all sorts of ways of doing it and all sorts of ways to work out how to make it work on a national scale." For Young, the project may finally complete a mission he set for himself with his music. "You know, I thought long ago you could change the world by writing songs," he said. "But you can't change the world by writing songs. Oh, you can inspire a few people, get some of them to change their thinking about something. But you can't change the world by writing songs. "But we could change it with this car."

Think so? What about "flyboys"? How about "cowboys"? Choirboys? Bellboys? Fact is there was a bunch of nice, pasty-white, well-fed, balding guys that so epitomize the rank-and-file GOP (their frontmen usually have black patent-leather hair as discussed on previous threads). Just a homogeneous group of followers....the insult was not in the "boy" but in calling them Tom Delay's "boys". And they were pretty much disrupting a process that they knew wasn't going their way...just like the Clintonistas, which was actually the point I was making. I forgot about the pinhead tendency on this board to home in on the nits whilst the elephants run amok.

I staffed the WA caucuses..the Hillary people systematically went around BEFORE the caucus started and tore down all the Obama signs. Then, when Obama delegates showed up the Hillary supporters told them they were too late and couldn't be seated. In fact, they made the STUPID mistake of assuming any black person was an Obama person and automatically tried to turn them away. Which did backfire. So it cuts both ways...there are plenty of jerks to go around (although most of them seem to be Republicans).

One of the stupidest things I ever heard. I am now going to boycott Duncan Donuts for caving in to pinheaded wingnut threats. I am so sick of these chickenshits. Every time THEY freak out over stuff like this, THEY are giving solace to the terrorists. I never would have thought this particular scarf had a link to terror and I'm pretty much sure that only a very small handful of paranoid cowards would have done so.

Why does this make me think of all those Tom Delay-funded white boys outside the counting room in Florida yelling "let us in, let us in!"? The votes in MI and FL were illegal and everyone knew it. Hillary is no better than GWB. I didn't care if she stayed in the race but the FL and MI thing shouldn't have been on the table since she never cared about it until it was clear she's losing. Or has lost. Obama is acting more presidential every day. Hillary is not worthy to be in this race. I always thought she'd be a good candidate and the thought of the wingnuts' heads exploding was worth a good chuckle, but she's not only an embarrassment to the party but she's setting women back years. After all this is over when a female declares for the presidency people will remember Hillary and shudder. Any woman who wants to win will have to run on an "I'm not Hillary" platform.

I was surprised to see that the priest who made the nasty comments was a white guy. Where does he get off speaking for black folk? Religion damn sure should be taxed, except for the charitable outreach programs. That would encourage more denominations to spend their tithe money doing God's work instead of building massive temples, TV stations and all that bull sh-- that only glorify the preacher and not the Maker.