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I remember when Muhammad Ali was vilified for refusing induction into the Army when the Vietnam War was raging. His principled stand turned out to be the right thing to do when view through the lens of history.
Not even close to being comparable, imo.
Ali refused to join a war which we know now was a war we should have never been fighting in - and had intelligent, logical reasons for his refusal. Ali was able to vocalize his innovative ideas which generated discussion (ie heated debates) then and those ideas are still used today.
While Ali was protesting a true national policy (a war), Kaep is protesting isolated incidents.
Even if Kaep somehow starts a movement with this silly thing - what's going to change? How can one change natural occurrences within a society and actions from individuals by protesting a country's flag and anthem? Even if one thinks the flag symbolizes government polices - there's no U.S. policy that calls for the mistreatment of black people.
Monumental differences between the two.
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Depending on perspective (this entire debate is dependent upon this), being apathetic could be construed as not giving a fu@k.
Depending on perspective, live and let live could be construed as not giving a fu@k.
That's all I was saying.
Ah, gotcha.
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This is another way of saying " live and let live."
No, it's not.
I couldn't disagree more with Kaepernick here but I'd honestly rather see a person do something like this if he truly feels strongly about an issue than do nothing. As dumb and disrespectful as I think a public figure intentionally sitting for the national anthem is - at least he's passionate enough about what he perceives to be an injustice to make a sacrifice for a cause.
To me, that's much more admirable than those who agree with what he's doing, yet won't do the same - not because they respect all of the patriots who have defended our freedom and made sacrifices that has led us closer to equality (what the flag symbolizes) but because it would put a dent in their bank accounts.
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I'm amazed at how many people care........seriously, when its played on the tv do you stand at home for it? or is it time to check on the food or get another beer. Thought so.
Apathy is definitely the way to go. God bless the United States of Apathy.
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But it was Rex's fault he was so bad with the Jets!
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The attached link is the same link that I used in a previous response to this topic. I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you that all communities are treated the same by the police. The Department of Justice recently did an extensive investigation of the Baltimore Police Department. Their condemning conclusions can be found in the link. This is the type of police behavior that CK was addressing with his controversial stance when the National Anthem was played.
And this is where so many people think Kaepernick is...*ahem* misguided.
The flag and anthem should symbolize everything good about the United States. The freedoms and equality so many patriots of all races have fought and died for over the last 250 years are honored during each anthem. Making a public spectacle as a public figure by intentionally sitting down for it is basically spitting in the face of each and every one of those who made such tremendous sacrifices. And for what? Because of isolated incidents due to systematic flaws within our police department and justice system?
Does he honestly believe that the United States intentionally persecutes against any race? And that the flag symbolizes that continued persecution? If he believes that, then he's simply not bright.
And if he realizes that systemic racism is a natural flaw within our society which has resulted in blacks and other minorities being mistreated since the colonies declared independence and we continue to make strides toward eliminating that flaw to allow for equality for all races - and he still sits down for the anthem, then he's simply an *expletive*.
Two choices.
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We need to move on from EJ cause we need Cardale Jones to be ready to assume #2 when EJ's rookie contract runs out. We are 4 years in and if he is still looking like a deer in the headlights I think odds are that isnt going to magically change. All of you working for the social media team for the PR firm he hired have done a good job but didnt have much to work with. Kudos to you.
How was EJ a deer in the headlights? He performed very well on Friday and led the team to a come-from-behind win.
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The flag is a symbol of freedom
That's your opinion. According to Kaep, the flag is a symbol of racism. To me, the flag symbolizes brussel sprouts. And I hate brussel sprouts. Therefore, going forward I'm no longer going to salute the flag or stand in respect for the national anthem. Buncha brussel sprout lovers.
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I'm pretty sure SF is one of the most tolerant places in the US.
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Watching EJ is a roller coaster of emotions. He has flashes and like the last pass....a dying duck interception. Entertaining game by the back ups. There will be few surprises on who makes the team.
Yeah, fourth and goal from the 28 should be an easy touchdown every time.
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Welp, we won this one but the refs took it away. Oh well.
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What a bunch of dicks! Bills fans rooting for a high pick who by all accounts is a great dude and a good teammate instead of bashing every mistake he makes!!!
We could have had Nassib damn it!!!
Amazing, isn't it? He's a backup - we can stop nitpicking and criticizing every snap now.
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A lot of EJ sympathizers on the board. In four years, he still can't hit a receiver racing downfield, still can't look for an open secondary receiver, and still can't make one comfortable that he's a potentially effective backup. I don't blame EJ; I blame the front office by not doing a better job of finding a capable backup for TT.
Nice timing. Just threw a perfect ball.
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Meeks playing solid.
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He's another guy like Little who looks like he should be a stud but just isn't good enough.
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Colt Anderson is our third best safety.
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Good route by Lewis there. I think he should make the team ahead of Little.
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Greg Little
Seconded.
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Greg Little has to be cut. He can't catch.
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Bryson Albright looks really freakin' good.
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These refs are an absolute f'n disgrace. They should be fired after this game and I'm not even kidding.
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EJ Manuel
Try again.
Kaepernick and the National Anthem
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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By your logic, the anthem itself is a distraction from the game.