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6 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
I don’t think suddenness is a strength for him at all personally, nor is dealing with press coverage. Of the 13 WRs Matt Harmon has charted so far, the only two worse at dealing with press coverage are McConkey and Roman Wilson.
I definitely respect your opinion on draftees but I think we'll all end up seeing in the league that he's going to be very good vs press. I respect analytics as well (Harmon is a full on analytics guy) but its just pretty obvious to me that he's a guy a team is going to want out there to work against man clutching and grabbing in the NFL playoffs. We'll see how it shakes out!... I feel quite confident on it.
Edit - to add - I should have said suddenness for his size
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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I personally think the Bills want to add a vertical threat that defenses have to account for immediately.
Legette definitely checks a lot of boxes.
Yep, along with the ability to win vs press man in the NFL playoffs, which is what the Bills haven't had this whole time. His physicality and suddenness would give us that.
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Murphy dropped to 28! I adjusted accordingly and dove back into rd 2 using capital from 2025 to secure the WR position.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yeah I like it too, although Mitchell being there would be interesting decision. I’d probably lean 60-40 on taking Mitchell just because you have no assurances Franklin makes it to us. While I do have Franklin reaching us, there are definitely spots he could go before our pick. And if I had to choose between Mitchell and Franklin straight up, I would lean a little more Mitchell even though I do like Franklin as well.
But the lure of adding a 3rd, which IMHO has some great value this year in the 3rd at a number of positions we could use help at won me over in this mock.
Im actually kind of chopping at the bit already to do a v2.0 and explore another scenario at the top in which I think is very plausible that might shift how the draft falls and see what that looks like for Buffalo.
Also, maybe I’m bias, but Jags signing Gave Davis doesn’t feel like enough with just Kirk and Zay if they want to see what to do with Lawerence long term. Which is why I have them rebuffing Buffalo for a trade for BTJ. But, if Jags feel differently, it’s a realistic spot for Bills to go get BTJ if he is there.
My biggest issue with mocking is moving up for Thomas is that I’m not seeing a lot of connection to him for us, but at least they did meet with him once that is reportedly known. But there are other guys who will be there at 28 and 2nd round that we have reportedly met with multiple times each.
You can never over read into things ahead of a draft, but they do seem to be doing a lot more due diligence as if they they intend to let the draft come to them more than make a big trade up. For example, of the big 4, we have only reportedly met with Thomas the one time.
Recall as well that many of the recent Bills picks did NOT have many visits with the team. I think its starting to get over-used as a predictor. Certainly it reflects interest, but how much beyond that is unclear.
I agree on the Jacksonville concern.
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Just now, Bill from NYC said:
Even if it is somewhat realistic, the Bills don't need to trade back. It would be nice to see us fleece another team rather than McDermott getting foolishly swindled yet again.
dropping just 8 spots from 28 to 36 while picking up a 3rd is getting swindled? Sorry I don't understand... Now I get 3 total picks in the top 78 as opposed to 2, and again, only moved back 8 spots to get it.
All good though, love ya Bill!
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1 hour ago, TOboy said:
I kind of see it differently. For me, Legette although physically different (and superior) is too similar to what we’ve already got. He’d be excellent if used off screens, slants, and crosses. He’s probably best as a big slot.
Having only seen half a season with Brady as OC, what we didn’t see was a ton of success downfield. So does that make Legette the perfect fit? Or does that make him redundant, even if he’s explosive?
I lean towards wanting the X that attacks downfield, but will Brady utilize a BTJ or Mitchell?
Both good and interesting points between you and Virgil, but (IMO) its a bit of making football into rocket science when it isn't. The gadget guys of the world like McKenzie have way more limitations in their game that limited the way they could be used than any limitations or lack of imagination by a coordinator, and not just by the Bills but by any team. I have absolutely no concern that Brady and an entire staff of well paid experts is going to struggle to find ways to use guys like Legette, BTJ or Mitchell.
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2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
Good job but hopefully if he does trade down, McDermott will get more than a 3rd round pick.
28 for 36 and 78 is a realistic value match (I doubt they would get more).
@Alphadawg7 If we don't end up trading up for one of the top 4 WR's, I actually prefer this type of trade back to staying put at 28 for Beane.
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If Odunze dropped to 11 and MIN missed out on a QB there...
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13 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
The best GMs probably have a 50% hit rate. Thats why I don't get hung up on Beane missing on a second rounder sometimes. Yeah it sucks, but hes still a damn good GM and better than most
Change that to about 33% and I agree with the rest of what you said.
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8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
Interested if you prefer your draft or mine? Not competitively. Just which haul do you think will be more impactful short and long term?
Also, you could consider this one I just ran with where I let it fall more organically (whereas above I forced the issue and spent future assets. Possibly a better haul, depending on your perspective. Doubling up on the Washington WRs is kind of cool, not to mention the overall roster depth and competition added. Guess I prefer the draft below to the one I posted moments ago lol.
I like the receiver combo I took better (just personal pref), plus I think Braswell can help right away, possibly Frazier too. Yours seems to have more immediate help in Nubin and Jenkins and Braelon Allen where mine was more about taking O-line and WR talent that is available in this draft class. I would have liked a CB or DT but couldn't resist the guys I took instead.
So maybe yours gets the edge in the short term where mine should pay off more long term.
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Traded back to 29 then back again to 42. Jumped up to take the Yale kid at 126. All in all, 7 players selected, 6 of which are in the top 150. Still got the double dip at WR too. Would have liked a DT but McCormick was too enticing at that spot I was looking for one.
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A trade-up into the top 10 with Chicago scenario
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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I think his skill set translates better to the NFL where he won't be stuck with a college QB that never throws with anticipation. A WR's job in the NFL is to create leverage that opens up a throwing window. Coleman can create leverage with his pure size + strength, plus more nuance to his route running than he gets credit for.
Yes... I actually heard the Cover1 guys talking about his technique as well, and likening it to an NBA player dribbling up into a guy's space to create conflict, and then using that leverage to be "open". It won't look like the traditional separation we'd be used to seeing from like a Diggs type player. While Coleman isn't my favorite WR prospect in this draft, I trust what guys like that who spend a lot of time on it are saying about him.
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8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Except he has blazing 4.3 speed instead of 4.55 speed.
and WAAAAAAY better of a prospect overall than Gabe was, amongst those who do this for a living.
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12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
I’m thinking that McConkeys high floor Year 1 contribution , combined with the high ceiling and athleticism of Legette could be the way to go ….Beane needs to pull off the double somehow … take one at 28 and move up to the top of the second for the other one …
McConkey and Legette would be the ABSOLUTE PERFECT COMBO of WR's to land if we can't get up high for BTJ or trade for a current player. We'd have an out of the box ready guy with a massive future ceiling guy.
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Another trade-back draft
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4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I said it up thread:
Credulous
Same with people who think Pat Mahomes, with his 7.7 golf handicap and his part-ownership of a soccer club, spends every waking minute of every day trying to be a better football player - simply because we're not seeing social media clips of him golfing, but we are seeing social media pics of him in a weight room with WR.
It's the peril of our times.
Soooo many people sucker up and fall for it too. Heck probably a 3rd of this board does.
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23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I agree to a degree. It isn’t linear though. They had a draft guy on WGR this morning and he said that these 3 WRs are the 3 highest graded WRs over the last 3 drafts. In other words, they would have been the first one off the board last year or in 2022. I don’t think 1 out of 3 guys with their draft grades bust. They just happen to be in the same draft.Those top 3 guys all grade out favorably to Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Addison, JSN, Flowers, London, Dotson, and Jameson Williams.
Now if you want to say of: Mitchell, Coleman, Worthy, Franklin, McConkey, Legette, etc… 2 or 3 will bust, I’ll buy it. That’s part of the reason that I’m fine with the capital to go all of the way up. By spending the capital you’re all but assuring yourself of production. Now you might not get the best of the 3 but you’ll get a good player.
I suppose I should have included in detail that one of them may "bust" due to a random major injury as well. But yes, good point on the overall grades of the top 3 this year!
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19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I’m not as certain on any of these WRs as some of the people here. Positive or negative.
This is what every fan and even professional talent evaluators need to always keep in mind. You simply don't know. The best you can hope for is a 50/50 shot with a Round 1 graded WR, and that includes MHJ, Odunze and Nabers. Odds say that 1 of those 3 is going to be a dud. I sure can't tell who.
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I'd be stoked coming out with these selections after a round 1 trade back where the Cardinals stole BTJ at #27.
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Trade back scenario, and trying to take BPA as much as possible
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36 minutes ago, Logic said:
Saw this chart on The Ringer today (part of a fun but silly article which nevertheless had some nice info hidden amongst the jokes).
Not a great look for Brian Thomas Jr and Adonai Mitchell, with the takeaway being that while they have everything you want from a physical standpoint and have both shown the POTENTIAL to be good, their college production (not just raw numbers, but yards per route run relative to their target rate) is lacking.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/4/9/24124742/best-wide-receivers-2024-nfl-draft-class-marvin-harrison-jr-malik-nabers-rome-odunze
Interesting... Both AM and BT have other peer stud receivers on the field with them. I imagine that was a factor in the statistic.
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2024 WR Draft Class
in The Stadium Wall
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you can get from 28 to 8 with this years and next years 1st rounders and 2nd rounders. Sure, thats a lot! But you don't need to add in Josh