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No idea who Solak is, so I will take his work worth a grain of salt, especially since you can’t tell when someone goes to a second read right off the snap based on presnap reads..

No one would be afraid of any of those WR or TE. They would make Allen Job very hard but if it was a year like say the 49ers had last year.. it would be a disaster. (AFCE has solid D everywhere if not too 10)

Kinda shows why teams struggle so much. A 4 year HC is 8th on the list. Talk about a job with ZERO stability unless your part of the elite 6.

Oh I am thinking tops be a 6th round pick. That’s why I said maybe swap disappointing picks. Give BB an underperforming CB and you get our underperforming WR.

I only figured he hit 1000 or more based offf of what he did last year with 5 more game averaging 60 yards a game was doable. But hell I’ll be happy with 800 yards from him. Especially with the new TE in the mix. as far as Harry goes who would want him? Maybe trade with a team who has a badly underperforming first round pick?

True, but I never thought Harry be this brittle or bad when they picked him. AJ Broen would been a hell of a pick too! As for being better I think any other WR been a better choice! Lol Hell I am high in Jacoby Meyers right now,a undrafted WR from the same class, I expect he will be the breakout WR for them this year with over 1000 yards receiving and 5 TDs. (He had over 700 yards and 3 TDs last year in 12 games.. so if healthy I don’t think my prediction is crazy)

The thought process is (per talking heads up here at the time) he was a big body who Brady could throw to in the red zone and he could go up and get the ball. I myself didn’t know a lot about him at the time. I was so excited for that pick because I thought for sure they pick DK Metcalf since he was still there when they picked. I wasn’t happy with the pick but like any pats fan who is telling the truth, I trusted BB to know what he is doing.

No, true translation “you can’t fire me I quit” this guy has been open 25% of the time he has been on the field which ranks 99th out of 100 . He is one of the worst receivers in the league in getting open and even worse he is never healthy. hell last year Newton called an audible and he was staring like a deer in the headlights till Edelman moved him off the line of scrimmage.. CAM KNEW THE PLAYBOOK BETTER THAN HIM! 🤦🏻‍♂️ I do believe the Pats roster was considered last year be ranked 29th or 30th? The talent level was horrid on the team but for the most part the competed almost every week.

Pats went 7-9 and if they got AVERAGE QB play been easily 9-7 with one of the most untalented teams in the NFL. I dare say the talent level of last years team was probably 28th or 29th in the league. Good coaching almost had them to .500. I would be shocked if they had a losing season this year. Now am I expecting them to challenge for the division or SB? Nope but I see a 10 to 11 win season with MAYBE a playoff birth. Any true fan knows a rebuild takes time especially when you are replacing the most important position on O in QB. That said it does help to have one of the best HC of all time leading the team. (Oh and I firmly believe it took both Brady and BB for the dynasty. Brady doesn’t even make the NFL if BB doesn’t see something in him.)

IMO Tua as big a question mark as Jones or Wilson. I say maybe even more so since he didn’t really impress last year at all. I mean Fitz looked lightyears better than him. Which is bad for your 1st round QB.

Funny! But that would be Tony “The Turtle” Eason whose career IMO was destroyed by that game! What’s sad is the Pats had a HOFer in Hannah playing on the line that game.

So you don’t expect growth with Allen and your WR core or any improvement in your running game?

Exactly! I would also point out, he was with the Jets, a very dysfunctional organization with poor ownership and GM and terrible coaching.. which did not help him in any way succeed. Where IMO BB will do everything he can to help Jones be successful. (I also think everyone thought Smith was a huge reach at the time, but I could be wrong.) I dare say BB is better than ANYONE the Jets have ever had as HC. I agree College states and wins don’t translate well to pros, As I have said I believe coaching and a strong organization can help make a QB better while others doom them. (How many top QBs got destroyed in Cleveland?)

I’d agree KC has the edge at QB but more because the man can make a throw in almost any position. I would also say their running game LAST year was also a lot more reliable. I disagree about HC, sorry but Reid always pees down his leg in big games when facing an equal to better HC. I mean they should have lost to a piss poor NE team last year but they lucked out and got the worse QB since 1989 in a Pats uniform starting. (Face palm taking a sack with no time outs and 6 seconds on the clock in range for a tying FG) this year should be interesting, will Buffalo be able get pressure on the revamped O line of KC? Will KC be able to stop all the firepower the Bills have? my gutt says Bills win the game in the regular season because I see McDermott fixing the D more than I see Reid fixing his D which has been mediocre for years.

I could be wrong about Jones as well. He is a rookie and it’s pure guessing game right now. I agree on 9 to 11 wins this year maybe more depending on how good or bad the QB play is. I think the Pats D can get them 9 or 10 wins this year base off of who we are playing. It’s kind of exciting right now the unknown. Haven’t felt like this since well Bledsoe was drafted way back in 94 I think. Mind you back then we had sucked for so long it could only get better lol

My bad, you are correct, but I think the way you state it makes an even better case for Mac Jones. Like I said all speculation till he gets to play.

Allen is a known commodity, plain and simple we know he is good and will be top 5 in the league. Jones all we have is what talking heads say and his game tapes. Yes he was surrounded by talent but he had the smarts step up in the pocket and he read Defenses well and delivered the ball on target and on time, he also broke NCAA record for accuracy. We won’t know if he be a boom or bust till he plays in the NFL. I think BB brought back Cam for a few reasons. First being that no QB was left at 15 and we ended up with the second tier QBs who definitely wouldn’t be ready to year 2. Second to give Jones time to learn the playbook and get use to NFL game speed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones sat the year even if Cam stinks because another high draft picks give us hopefully a #1 WR for him to throw to.

I agree on easier process in Alabama. As for his smarts, everyone is saying how super intelligent he is because he graduated from Alabama in 3 years. Will that intelligence translate to football and reading D in the NFL? Only time will tell, I do know his teammates said they would choose him over Tua who everyone was gushing over before he got hurt. IMO he was the best fit for what the Patriots like to do on O. That being mostly short to intermediate throws and making decisions quickly in the pocket. Outside of Lawrence I don’t think any of the other 5 would fit into the Patriots system as well. (Again just my opinion)

Lmao on the Dad bod… you know who else supposedly had a dad bod was Brady. (I think someone on here put Brady combine photo and Macs photo together on here) As for velocity that is IMO the most overrated thing people talk about. “Oh what great velocity on that throw” meanwhile it was high and wide. Accuracy IMO is far more important with occasional zip fit it into a tight window.

I feel bad for Rosen, talk about a QB who truly got a bum deal. Lol. Also if I remember correctly even the experts said Allen a hiGH Boom or bust potential and could go either way. IMO good coaching made it more Boom or just an average QB range.. he was never going be a bust but that’s MY OPINION. (Before someone attacks lol) for example this years class of of QBs (1st round) I see Wilson, and Fields as being Busts based on their coaches and or dysfunctional organization. I expect Lance be a huge star but never wins a SB, (i kid a dig on the HC choking twice in SB) Lawrence being to talented to fail but I am not sure on the HC and organization.. Jones I am biased on but he landed in the perfect spot for him anywhere else he be a sure fire bust.

That wasn’t what I was trying to imply. I was laughing because I didn’t think I’d ever see the day a Bills fan would say nice things about Fitz period! I remember how he was disposed on this very board back in the day. It was more a laugh of shock than anything else.

Right now it’s all a guessing game. I am high on Jones because he supposedly comes with an extremely high Football IQ and that’s what I am told is needed for the Pats playbook. As I said before I like Jones chances better just because he isn’t in a dysfunctional organization. But hell I could be wrong. See I feel that way about Wilson. He is already being blackballed by fans for being a Trump supporter. Meanwhile there is zero pressure on Jones as he isn’t right after Brady but after probably 1 1/2 years of broken down Cam Newton.

Look at Big Ben how many years taken off of his career by bad O lines? Newton IMO doesn’t seem to read Ds well this he holds the ball longer. Brady helps his Oline look better because like P Manning he gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds usually, hard for anyone get pressure that fast lol. Hey great football discussion! Enjoy the Bills success for HOWEVER long it lasts, trust me even after 20 years you miss it when it’s gone. Lol (although I don’t have as many annoying bandwagon pats fans anymore. Lol)

We won’t know till he plays and bombs or does well. I am also a firm believer that coaching makes a big difference if a QB is good or bad. IMO the Bills failed at QB for so long because you didn’t have a good HC to work with him. You get that good HC and Bam you immediately hit on Allen. I don’t think that was luck. Pennington had average arm strength till he hurt his shoulder.. after that his arm was noodle arm. Jones has an average arm strength. As for Cam Newton I don’t believe he was ever been an overly accurate QB even when he was MVP. He did have a canon arm coming out but the beating he took in Carolina destroyed his career. It was criminal how they never got him a decent o line.

Huh? His accuracy is actually BETTER than Pennington and while he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm he is capable making any throw.. His weakness supposedly is the fact he isn’t a running threat. I will laugh if he plays and beats Buffalo in year one. Cam you are right his arm is shot which is sad he has so much heart!