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It all depends when we are talking about and whether we are talking about the same moments. I'm talking particularly about when allen 'disappears' in games, looks flustered. His inconsistency is a problem here, I'm talking particularly about when he has the 'jitters' as he mentioned in his press conference, he does miss easy throws then. It's like everything goes. An example against the Pats was when he started the game, He looked bad! . When beasley was open early and we saw the camera from behind Allen we saw beasley was open and that is an example of an easy missed throw by Allen. He hit's knox with the long pass later and that's a harder throw. I take your point that at times he hits the shorter throws consistently, like when he started the season against the jets or aguanst the cowboys. In other posts I've mentioned the missed td to knox, it would have been nice to have given him a chance on that ball although from memory it wasn't easy. There's an argument for at least giving the reciever a chance on that ball. When the blitz was coming in his face on one play he ran backwards and threw a quick pass to Beasley and beat the rush that way. Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't.

Thanks, that's a good read. 1.There is a big 'wanting him to succeed narrative' which I am part of aswell. But I think I see it for what it is and don't allow it to always 'colour' my views. 2. I dont know the answer as to whether he will make it either but im not going to reserve any opinionated posts for three years until the judgement is in. That's what being a fan is about, living the moments. There are some things that happen that I wonder whether we will be talking about in 3 years. My posts after the dallas game were very different to this week.

That the bad throws need to be balanced with the great ones I am concerned with a QB who makes the hard throws and misses the easy ones. This nature is always going to polarise fans. Yes I know that's a high passer rating but.. He was 13/26. 50% completion. We scored 17 points. Few games ago Bills were 9-0 when Allen was 60% or more. Pats are a good defence but it would have been great for Allen to be closer to 60 percent. He has improved the picks and the deep passes were awesome.

What's the bigger picture?

Very true. You mean how one person is an optimist and another a pessimist for example? Not to say it isn't to you but the truth is very important to me.

Yes there has been improvement. Yes yes yes! But there have been things that haven't improved aswell. I just feel I am right with the inconsistency. We all think we are right but I will admit if I'm wrong. I'm not stubborn if I can see I'm wrong.

Certainly not wallowed in misery. I think my opinion makes others feel miserable! Clearly he is going to have 'bad plays, series and games while I'm waiting', my concern is that maybe we will be having the same conversation in the future. For his other aspects to have been ignored they would have had to been ignored. Allen has great of the field traits. A quarterback will always be defined by bad throws though.

I also Your tactic is to wait for a great play and post to confirm that you are right about Allen. I think your belief is that he shouldn't be critiqued and should just be supported, whilst you often critique other teams QBs (Jackson etc) as being overrated. This tends to lose my belief in what you say. It comes across that you view things very much as black and white. Supporters vs haters. I think 1.the difference with me is that I don't need to be proved right or wrong. We all thi k we are right but I'd like to be wrong about Allen actually. 2.remember a single great play does not mean that he will be great.

It all depends how you view Allen. For me it buys into the fact that he's inconsistent. I thought the dallas game he was more consistent in his play. If he plays a difficult defense and makes a poor throw people might look and find reasons as to why it was a bad throw. These things would be right, it's not always totally on him, if the line collapses for example. I suppose I'm waiting to be proved wrong about his inconsistency. That's probably why every bad throw feels like it says something defining about him.

Allen was poor to start the game. I am not wrong with that. You are entitled to your opinion but don't think that I am too concerned with your opinion of my posts.

Yeah what I was meaning has got lost after a few posts. I was talking about swapping the two QBs who played the game, Allen and Brady. My point was to highlight how important the QB position is and that even though the defence sucked the consistency of the QB position - hitting the right receiver, getting the ball out just at the right time matters pretty much above everything. I was cringing when people were overdoing brady's decline as I was concerned he would show up. Its also the 'ice in the veins' QB point someone else made.

Haha, I said imagine 10 more completions from allen in the game, what a difference it would make.. So I was really talking about incompletions but when I look at the stat line I would amend that. 13/26, another good few completions would of made a difference, particularly the knox td throw. 10 is a bit much granted.

Lol I think the 10 throws against the Pats is aimed at me. ?

Allen has presence and maybe the 'it' factor you mention but to be fair he wasn't fearless to start the Pats game, that was part of the problem.

I've heard people put down Mahomes, Jackson and Watson yet mostly big up Allen. Funny

Kelce looks like he's a p****.

Hm. Then inaccurate throws will effect our offence more than others?

Which 4th and 1 transplantsbillsfan, the last play of the game?

Ok thanks for clarifying that.

Yes of course. Drops don't help. The ball needs to be positioned well for the receivers though also. The low pass to knox against the Pats I would put more on allen even though it could of been caught, so there is a subjective line there. With Allen there is some inaccuracy at times. There have been drops though. l'm looking at the drops list and not seeing a black and white correlation between drops and doing badly. Bills on 22, pats on 21, SF on 19 drops. Atlanta with only 4 drops all season and they are not doing very well. Trubisky, fitzpatrick and Brady all high on drops so they should also get a break for that.

I do think that. Painful to say but Brady on the bills yesterday and we win I think. Just better at hitting the open plays.

Up the sass jacrispy. We need more sass.

The mire!

I picked up the game late and was watching it up until when we got the fumble. My stream froze and I reloaded it, went a bit too far and saw haush was lining up for the field goal. I felt really disappointed. Got to punish them and make them pay for those mistakes.

That's why you need 7 when you create the early fumble. I would of liked to see a fake field goal on the early drive after the fumble.