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What the hell? Somebody send this guy a captcha to prove he's not a bot.

Isn't that precisely what a poll does? Lend credence to an argument? It doesn't necessarily mean it solves the argument, but surely if the majority of people who follow the team want vote for "A", then I'd say their argument has some merit, wouldn't you?

"I agree 11-15 is good. It's too early to have real tangible success. He's had to work with at least three quarterbacks so far." -Chip Kelly (17-8)

It's really hard to say. So many skill players have regressed or shown little signs of talent under his staff. I will argue that between CJ, Fred, Dixon, and Brown none have looked good this season and there is one common denominator. I think if you inject the team with Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady they might trend upwards, but ultimately we would fall short when in-game decisions and crucial half-time adjustments are required.

I agree with this. He's being called conservative way too much for his go-to criticism. I hope we don't go down remembering him as this ultra-conservative coach - but likely we'll just slowly forget about him and confuse most of these games as being part of the Marrone, Gailey, Jauron trilogy.

Hey man, Nate Hackett has been around for months.

Yeah, he rules.

God I hate these coaches. There were people blatantly dissatisfied when we hired Marrone, and more later when he named his OC. Those people, myself included, have been saying all along that we're gong nowhere with these sad sacks. Now here we are. Slightly ahead of schedule. Time to pop in my favorite movie: Buffalo Bills Rebuild Part IX

After having given this much thought...I do not want to see EJ Manuel play another game with Nate Hackett and Doug Marrone as his coaches. They have PROVEN WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT that they are incapable of playing to players' strengths. They are ill-equipped to properly manage and prepare a game plan that doesn't fit within their crappy Syracuse playbook.

Apparently. Unless that clock is named Kyle Orton last night, right?

Why does everyone keep saying this? His two coaching hires with the Sabres are Rolston and Nolan. Not exactly the who's who of available coaches.

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You're trying your best to put EJ into a category that doesn't exist. He threw an 80 yd touchdown pass in one of the games that you called historically horrible. Historically horrible is whatever the hell Geno Smith did against us. You can't be historically horrible with an 80 yard TD pass. Orton didn't even complete a pass in the red zone and you're calling EJ historically horrible. They have the same winning percentage. Play the young guy, see if he learned. Incredible that you're arguing against that right now, cherry picking made-up fake ESPN stats to defend your hypocritical point.

He was 2-2. Orton is 3-3. Stop being a dolt.

He will be defended. In this thread probably. Someone might even non-sarcastically mention that he's truly a great business and marketing guy. WHY DOES IT MATTER IF HE'S GOOD AT MARKETING?! YOU ARE ALREADY A FAN OF THIS TEAM! HIS MARKETING DOES NOT EFFECT YOU AT ALL! /capslocks

EJ was 2-2. Orton was 3-3. QB's were just as consistent as their terrible HC, OC, and game plan. You guys were excited when EJ was playing smart football and we were 2-0. Orton had everyone pumped up at 5-3. Two games above .500, then the team outcoaches themselves. Twice in a season, folks.

Did anyone watch the video in the link...? Where they say the Dolphins are the better team because you win with your defensive line. I don't think we're biased to think we have the best line in football. No idea what makes these guys "experts" anymore.

Mike Williams.

I agree with that, I just literally don't think Fred needs to play if he's forcing it at his age and risk having a season lingering issue. If he's not 100%, sit him.

Not sure I want Fred to go if he's not ready. Need him Thursday.

You're fun.

my favorite thread by far

Thought this thread could be AmarvA material... ...guess not.

So what? What is your point, other than making a generalization? Not every QB's college career is created equal. If you want to go simply off of that, great...then don't ignore his success. Here's a quick hole in your theory that doesn't make excuses for anyone: EJ was 4-0 in bowl games. Kyle Orton was 1-3.