Livinginthepast

Here is another article from today's Toronto Star: http://www.thestar.com/sports/football/2013/12/04/nfl_picks_buffalo_bills_need_a_new_dance_partner_kelly.html

This is absolutely true. I hated these idiots who were just ANTI Buffalo (not even fans of any other NFL team) growing up in St.Catharines in the 90s. Keep in mind that is in Niagara, right next to Buffalo. The hatred of the Bills gets worse as you get closer to Toronto!

Jeffrey Loria (the scumbag) who owned the Expos cooked up a secret deal to sell them to MLB with Bud Selig and the owner of the Marlins. The people of Montreal and Expos fans were not even considered. There were no last minute attempts to save the franchise by Selig who apparently couldnt care less about the Expos and their history in Montreal or the long history that Montreal had with baseball (like Jackie Robinson playing there in the minors). Selig just did it. Its that kind of scenario that really scares me about the Bills future and what might happen if Ralph passes and a potential ownership group appears that wants to move them. Do you really want to trust Roger Goodell to make the right decision in that event? I dont think that Goodell gives a crap about the fans in WNY or Bills fans in general or any of the traditions of football in this area. He would looks at this entirely as a business decision for his money making juggernaut. I just hope that somebody steps up from the area and keeps the team here. I especially dont want the Rogers group or that Ahole Bon Jovi to get their filthy hands on the franchise!

This has actually happened to me as a baseball fan as I was a huge Montreal Expos fan in the 80s and 90s. Then their scumbag owner moved them out of Montreal to Washington. I couldnt care less about baseball now overall because of that and I don't think many Expos fans care about the Nationals. This would be a question to ask Los Angeles Cleveland or Baltimore fans when their teams moved. Or even Oakland Raider fans on their move to LA. I know I would hate the Toronto Bills especially.

We might have. We might have lost the game in just as excruciating fashion. Hell this is the Bills after all. But to say that Ryan and the Falcons would not have been negatively affected by the noise and weather at the Ralph is ludicrous.

So you are basically saying that Ryan and the Falcons would have performed exactly the same at the Ralph and that unpredictable weather conditions and crowd noise have no effect on a visiting team whatsoever? Who cares that he went to BC, playing in college is nothing compared to playing in the pros. Look at all the far better QBs than Ryan who have had significant issues with playing at the Ralph over the years and you would probably think otherwise.

You really think that Ryan would have been able to call his signals or audible with 70000 fans screaming at the Ralph as opposed to maybe 20000 Bills fans screaming in that loser cavern in Toronto. Do you think that all those handoffs to the RBS or all those tight spirals that Ryan threw would have been as effortlessly accomplished with wet cold hands or a wet ball in the wind at the Ralph? You have to be joking!

Well said OP. This series is a disaster. Ralph has sold the city, the team and the fans down the river with this odious deal. The Rogers family basically stole the skydome from the people of Ontario who owned it, now they are trying to steal the Bills from Buffalo. Last week they stole all the hockey coverage from Canadians as well. They are a parasitic bunch and Ralph is enabling them with this BS. I went to a Bills at the Skydome game back in the 90s vs the Packers. It was preseason and the Bills got blown out. It was by far the worst football game I have ever witnessed in person. Even the CFL games I have seen in that cavernous place suck. The place sucks for football, sucks for baseball, sucks for soccer. It sucks for concerts even more. Yet Ralph apparently needed even more money in his 90s so he jumps at the chance to give away a home game to these corporate bloodsuckers. And if you are wondering Bills fans, if it appears that Toronto hates the Buffalo Bills and cheers for the opposition in each of these joke games you are right! Toronto fans are not Bills fans they hate everything Buffalo. Being a Canadian Bills fan in the Niagara region, I had to deal with these A-holes all the time. People who aren’t even fans of the opposition teams but just cheer against the Bills. When Ralph passes, they need to kill this deal asap!

Bills fans are already in a movie. Its called "groundhog day" where hapless Bills fans live through the same gut wrenching loss on a Sunday perpetually. Oh wait it just feels that way.

That article was a steaming pile of crap. I can remember it from the time period and reading it again reminds of the irrational hatred of Flutie that various members of the media had for him. I really cannot explain this kind of stupidity. You resent Flutie's success because he doesnt fit the mold of what an NFL QB is supposed to be?. Gleason also defends poor RJ's feelings like he is an impressionable teenage girl. He then bizarrely lauds him as some sort of local mother Teresa in the community when I'm pretty sure that RJ spent most of his time in a hotel in Buffalo eating cereal and playing video games, hiding from the outside. I am pretty sure that Ravens fans dont resent the fact that perpetual bum Trent Dilfer won their first Super Bowl even though he was a joke of a QB for most of his career. He hardly fit the bill of an NFL QB. If Flutie had actually won us a Super Bowl you wouldn't hear a peep about his fictitious "character" issues. Instead we get the idiotic "I told you so's" when he left. What makes me laugh the most about this article is that Flutie was absolutely correct in balking at Donaho and weirdo creep Greg William's plans for the offense. You could probably see even a mile away that their plans to totally revamp what was a better than average offense for no reason would meet with disaster. He was probably glad to get the hell off the sinking ship. The fact that Donaho would be so clueless as to even consider RJ a viable option probably was the last straw for Flutie. I dont blame him one bit for standing his ground. As we soon saw both Donaho and everything he decided was a trainwreck. The bottom line is that Flutie gave the Bills of that era their best chance to win. Whether his skills were diminishing or not. RJ was the most colossal bust in Bills history. They should have played Flutie in that game win or lose. Taking him out of the Tennessee game was a bush league move professionally and strategically and I we have had 14 f'ing years to stew about it!

A few members of the media floated out this story in the 2000 season that Flutie was a "cancer" in the locker room. I never ever heard any Bills player complain about this at the time or since. Obviously it was total BS. I do remember the main Flutie haters at WGR during this time were Brad Riter and the "coach" Dickerson. They never missed a chance to slag Flutie for his unconventional style, his height or his confidence. All the while ignoring all the success he had brought to the team. Flutie didn't fit the prototype of a "real" NFL QB. I remember the coach constantly lauding the china doll Johnson for no reason other than he hated Flutie. Dickerson lost what little credibility he had after that. It is true that Flutie's success was diminishing down the stretch in 1999 but it wasn't just his arm, it was that the Defensive Coordinators had figured out ways to neutralize him in the NFL with the bigger taller D linemen and less space to roll out with like Flutie had in the CFL. Against the Titans, RJ was absolutely useless in the first half and deserved to be benched. I can remember Steve Young at the halftime show basically telling us to expect Flutie for the 2nd half because RJ was pathetic in the first half, To his credit RJ did up his game in the 2nd half and put us in a position to win but he sure as hell didn't win us the game that hung in the balance. I think Flutie would have won this game for us but Wade couldn't find his cojones and stand up to Ralph!

I am from St.Catharines, Ontario but the Bills were the home team for me and my family starting in the early 80s. I can remember being heartbroken when Ferguson and Cribbs et al. lost to the Chargers in the playoffs and were so close to winning. When Kelly and Marv came to town I was in my late teens and the Bills were so much fun to watch. I often have to remind myself how awesome they were by watching that team on youtube. They were just so great. Its one of the greatest disappointments in my life that they failed to win a SB esp when they were a best team of the era. The Flutie era rekindled my interest but the last 14 years have really shaken my faith. My wife constantly questions my mental health as I scream at the TV when the Bills find a way to lose and screw me over emotionally. But there I am, week after week watching them like a sucker!!

For a lot of the players of his era I would be suspicious of this but Christensen was apparently a devout Mormon so I cant see him cheating with the juice. He was absolutely clutch in the early 80s for Jim Plunkett! not the best commentator as others have stated. Very sad to see him die so young.

I have been a Bills fan for about 34 years and I am struggling to remember a Bills squad so utterly inept once they get in within the opposition's 10 yard line. Its getting to the point now that I hope that any long pass play, run, INT runback whatever goes right to the endzone because once they get in within the 10 they are not getting a TD. I am just exaggerating? Is my mind going? I cant seem to recall a team who just cant punch it in within the 10 like this years Bills.

Bills were in a statement game and basically crapped the bed, By far their worst game of the season in all respects.

Can someone explain to me if a Db can interfere or hold the receiver if the pass is deemed uncatchable? is that the rule? serious question!

I would love to believe that the WC is possible but we all know this is the Bills we are talking about. They will finish agonizingly close to the playoffs but just out of it. They will rue the losses to Cinci, to the Browns and to KC. The thought of this almost inevitable outcome makes me feel ill.

This is a pretty good list, you could also add a couple of my personal fav losses. The October 2000 loss vs the Vikings where Flutie had a great game only to lose to a Randy Moss TD in the 4th Q. Also the embarrassing loss vs the Jets in 2002 where Chad Pennington faked Eddie Robinson out of his jock and waltzed into the endzone. The most infuriating and embarrassing loss was vs the Pats under Jauron in 2007 where they crushed us 56-10 and kept going for 2pts in the most classless display of behaviour by a coach ever. I was so angry that nobody was getting mad that Bellichick was purposely humiliating them. Jauron just stared clueless. They kept Brady in the game despite being up by 30pts, kept throwing the ball and what did the Bills do? nothing. I would have blitzed everybody at Brady and broken his legs, but no Jauron just stared!!!

I watched Stevie on that play he knew it was going to be a TD the other way. However, there was no way in hell he could have got to the Db to make that tackle. Actually Tuel himself had a decent angle to tackle but looked like a little kid in his attempt to get the interceptor. At least he could have forced him to the side to slow him down but it seemed that he had no support from the speedier members of the offense.

My wife tells me I should find a new team to support because I am so negative about the Bills. Its like some sort of strange addiction to a drug that is killing me. I would love to soberly feel good about this team and its future but WTF they have screwed us so many times. Yeah they played decently but they still found a way to lose excruciatingly. Its been 13+ years of this and we all deserve better!

Had to go back to Youtube to recall that one. Its on this clip. BRUTAL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqnDC-tUaGw

Totally disagree, Goodwin had possession after being touched on the ground and HE moved the ball in his hand. watch the slowmo replay!It was not bobbled at all. It was a bad call at the time and an even worse decision not to overturn it.

......The Bills get screwed by the refs again. Ok The refs didn't cost them the game, its not a conspiracy vs the Bills but how in the hell can the NFL possibly justify the ref's decision not to overturn that terrible call on that deep pass in 4th quarter that was obviously a CATCH and was deemed a drop. The player catchs the ball hits the ground with the ball in possession, then while on his stomach begins to roll with the ball still in in his possession. While on his back with the ball in his possession he finally has it knocked out by the db. How is that not a catch? What replays was the octogenarian ref watching?

Even a mediocre team would have beaten them today. The Chiefs are a fraud. The Bills did everything to give them that game, and I mean EVERYTHING.

nice clothesline by chandler on the chiefs coach