Wayne Cubed

C'mon the answer to that question is so easy to answer for "keep drafting crowd": The Eye Test.

Works for me as well.

So how many QB's are you bringing to camp and how are you going to divide up the reps? Do you give it to the guy who's been there the longest or the new guy? What if the new guy looks good but the guy drafted in year 2 just needs a little bit of time to learn the offense? How will they get into any sort of rhythm in the offense?

Generally speaking HC's, offensive minded ones, hire OC's who mirror their philosophies. Reid hired Doug Pederson to be his OC after he was with Reid in Philly as the QB coach. Mike McCarthy keeps promoting within. Clements was his QB coach for years. Ben McAdoo was his TE coach before becoming OC. It just makes their job easier if everyone is on the same page.

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Another thought, why would an actual Bills source release this information it would only make the Bills look bad. It had to come from a Marrone source. Unless of course LaCanfora's source just plays both sides.

I have a bit of a conspiracy theory based on what we now know about St. Doug the Confessor. Given the way he is, is it possible he knew his time in the NFL was limited. He saw that EJ would require some work and knew if he put the work in and EJ not succeed he probably wouldn't make it to his 2nd contract. Coaches that fall to develop QB's don't tend to get a 2nd chance. Therefore he gave up on EJ early as to not tarnish his reputation. Or he didn't know how to develop him.

Really? ODB was being thrown to even when he wasn't open. QB's do target receivers that aren't "open". It's about giving the player a chance even if he isn't open. And the all-22 shows Watkins was in fact open quite a bit but either he wasn't the first read or Orton didn't look to him. Being open means diddlely squat.

Middle of the road QB's look good behind good OL's? Really, thats your argument? Wow. Let me ask you this, how the heck do you know for certain the OL players are any good based on the fact that the departing coach, a former OL coach and player, was supposedly coaching them up? How come Glenn regressed? Couldn't possible be the coaching could it... nope, every player drafted either has it or doesn't, there are no coached up players. BTW, Jerry Hughes says hello.

Still it's not bad. 5 games with 10+ targets 96.0 yard average. Consider his per game average for the season was 61.3 yards. Odell Beckham averaged 11 targets a game. Sammy averaged 8. It's funny but when Odell had below 10 targets his ypg was 49.0. Context people.

I'd also add ODB is a bit smaller than Watkins. That would have me question durability a bit.

@C_Hairston75: Makes one wonder if we had made the playoffs how would this coaching situation have played out I think the players are pissed at Marrone.

Marrone changed philosphies, that much is clear. More like he handed Whaley a grocery list with ground beef and taco on it, Whaley brings it back and Marrone yells at him "I wanted red sauce and pasta" and then storms out of the room.

Boom goes the cannon. But who cares how often WR is targeted.

You do realize you've said Whaley was in on the decision to draft EJ. Funny how that works, he was in on the decision to draft a player that you've clearly had an agenda against but he wasn't in on Woods or Alonso, who were picked in the same draft. This is comical and sad.

And again it doesn't make any sense. Marrone had extension in place but then backs out because of the "football czar" being brought in which we all know was going to be Polian, who Marrone has no problem with. So what was he so scared about?

Yea his draft picks are horrible. I see you convienantly ignore players thag don't fit your agenda. Let's see: Kiko Alonso Preston Brown Jerry Hughes Boobie Dixon Sentreal Henderson Sammy Watkins Robert Woods All players Doug Whaley brought here. And he's added even more loads more of depth. But I'm not going to waste my time. I'm not even sure why I'm responding to this thread.

Yup. Marrone had changed what kind of coach and philosophies he had had at least a couple times. First it was high tempo innovative offense. Then it was a run first slowed down offense. It explains an awful lot like why the run game seemed to deteriorate or why players regressed.

I haven't seen 1 HC from the Collegd ranks even have a confirmed interview. Odd because it seems like when Marrone was interviewing College HC's were all the rage.

I wish he was, he'd be my first choice. Saying that, Bevell has adapted and used lots of Malzahns ideas. The read-option pass and the double screen to name a few. I voted Bevell.

Then there's this... @lucky_lefty5: @nflnetwork what text?? That's Meeks Twitter handle for those who don't know.

No ones posted this gem yet? @RyanTalbotBills: I can say with 100% certainty that Marrone didn't even text his players about leaving.He texted someone in the player personnel dept. #Bills @RyanTalbotBills: This isn't a source thing. I was told by someone in the Bills organization.

I read elsewhere on this board the OL was bad because Whaley didn't get Marrone the right players. Oh and that Marrone was a great OL coach.

Why the hell was he listening to local radio? I bet he thought after the Packers win, WGR would be singing his praises. Haha, whoops. EDIT: Oh, and welcome to New Jersey Doug.

Or how about when the Browns were 7-5 and the darlings of the NFL, 5 of their 7 wins came against the horrible NFC/AFC South divisions.