Dorkington

In a year we don't have a 1st round pick, I consider our 2nd round pick to be incredibly important. The player needs to be a guaranteed NFL starting player at a position of need. If Orton continues his success, and EJ grows (according to the coaching staff, since we can't see it right now), then using a 2nd round pick on the *hope* you get a QB that ends up being top 10, seems too risky, especially with our weaknesses on the offensive line, and other areas. I think we wait until the 2016 draft before we think QB again in early rounds.

Frankly, it's unlikely there will be a better veteran option than Kyle Orton in the off season, and drafting a guy in the 2nd round isn't any guarantee that he'll be better than KO or EJ... so as of right now I have no problems going into next season with KO and EJ battling it out for the starting role.

Not really sold on this metric, personally, but at the very least it's interesting to look at. As we saw a couple years ago, the type of extreme turnover differential we've been experiencing isn't really sustainable, generally speaking.

I don't know about anyone else, but I see Orton as "the best option right now" not "the answer". We're still only 5-3, with some victories over a couple weak teams. Time will tell us if he's "the answer" or not, but for right now, he's our best option.

I'm so glad EJ has a veteran to learn from now. The fact that we had Tuel and Lewis in the QB room last year instead of a vet and a QB coach really annoys me.

To the OP, or an admin/moderator, feel free to add the stats from my previous two posts to the original post for for clarity of comparison.

Red Zone: EJ Manuel: Passing: 7/16, 43.8%, 51 yards, 3.19 ypa, 4 TD, 1 INT, 0 SCK, 65.4 RAT Rushing: 5 carries, 15 yards, 3 ypc, 1 TD Kyle Orton Passing: 9/14, 64.3%, 51 yards, 3.64 ypa, 6 TD, 0 INT, 3 SCK, 110.4 RAT Rushing: 1 carry, 0 yards, 0 ypc, 0 TD (edit: added rushing, since that's one of EJ's strong suits, just to be "fair")

For those asking for details on longer throws (from ESPN*): EJ Manuel: Passes thrown 11-20 yards - 10/27, 37%, 211 yards, 7.82 ypa, 0 TD, 1 INT, 50.1 RAT Passes thrown 21-30 yards - 2/10, 20%, 50 yards, 5.0 ypa, 0 TD, 1 INT, 8.3 RAT Passes thrown 31-40 yards - 0/1, 0%, 0 yards, 0 ypa, 0 TD, 0 INT, 39.6 RAT Passes thrown 41+ yards - 1/2, 50%, 80 yards, 40 ypa, 1 TD, 0 INT, 135.4 RAT Passes thrown 11+ yards - 13/40, 32.5%, 341 yards, 8.52 ypa, 1 TD, 2 INT, 52.2 RAT Passes thrown 21+ yards - 3/13, 23.1%, 130 yards, 10 ypa, 1 TD, 1 INT, 62.3 RAT Kyle Orton: Passes thrown 11-20 yards - 19/31, 61.3%, 323 yards, 10.42 ypa, 2 TD, 2 INT, 91.2 RAT Passes thrown 21-30 yards - 4/7, 57.1%, 109 yards, 15.57 ypa, 1 TD, 0 INT, 141.4 RAT Passes thrown 31-40 yards - 1/3, 33.3%, 42 yards, 14 ypa, 0 TD, 0 INT, 81.9 RAT Passes thrown 41+ yards - 0/1, 0%, 0 yards, 0 ypa, 0 TD, 0 INT, 39.6 RAT Passes thrown 11+ yards - 24/42, 57.1%, 474 yards, 11.29 ypa, 3 TD, 2 INT, 100.7 RAT Passes thrown 21+ yards - 5/11, 45.4%, 151 yards, 13.72 ypa, 1 TD, 0 INT, 122.3 RAT * had to calculate the 11+, and 21+ stats myself, so there may be errors, feel free to correct.

Bye weeks are nice in that it gives players time to heal... but it feels like a lot of teams come out sluggish following a bye week.

The Broncos played the Jets as well!

If he can get a bigger contract on a better team, there's no reason for him to stay. Technically he's not allowed contact with other teams until he opts out, but you know his agent will be talking to "sources".

It's nothing mind blowing, it's just a simple ranking to see where teams stand...

Glad to hear someone on the team talk about play action... seems like we kinda dropped it recently.

The Chiefs are looking really good by all accounts, there's no reason to be offended by people predicting them to beat us.

I agree with your terminology, but was using the linked site's term for accuracy's sake in linking. My apologies. And your link is for simple QB Rating, not ESPN's Total QBR number. Confusing, unfortunately.

I'm still calling for Hackett's head.... don't remember about Crossman... wasn't our only real issue the punter who is now gone?

I asked earlier what happens if we have a good offense, but a bad defense... no one answered... I think that counts, I think. Unless it's the Bills, then... Oh hell, I don't know anymore.

What about 3rd*? (KO only)

We should see if he can play TE.

Most definitely.

Look at the Safety edging towards Watkins side of the field. Nice.

We need to produce more first downs, and control the clock better. KC won't turn the ball over much, and their defense is pretty staunch from what I've seen. Basically, once again, another game in which I am not at all confident in the results.

ESPN: http://espn.go.com/n...nkings/_/week/9 16th - No Change Cold, Hard Football Facts: 7th based on their statistical analysis http://www.coldhardf...ll/?action=view Pro Football Reference: 15th based on their "Simple Rating System"

As has been discussed here in the past... QB Rating differential is a pretty solid way to rate NFL teams these days... so where do the Bills stand? http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/stats/2014/9/PRD/ Rank Team Off PR Def PR PRD 1 Denver 118.58 82.33 36.26 2 Green Bay 110.32 82.13 28.19 3 New England 106.12 86.76 19.36 4 Cincinnati 91.89 73.01 18.87 5 Pittsburgh 107.14 91.47 15.67 6 Dallas 105.02 89.74 15.28 7 San Diego 109.51 94.47 15.05 8 N.Y. Giants 97.25 82.75 14.50 9 Buffalo 92.22 79.42 12.81 10 Cleveland 90.78 81.55 9.23 11 San Francisco 93.95 85.67 8.28 12 Detroit 86.34 79.46 6.88 13 Indianapolis 98.84 92.34 6.51 14 Arizona 90.33 86.24 4.09 15 Baltimore 90.63 87.03 3.60 16 Miami 86.07 82.65 3.42 17 Kansas City 94.97 92.55 2.42 18 Seattle 98.38 99.67 - 1.29 19 New Orleans 97.38 99.00 - 1.62 20 Atlanta 92.29 94.22 - 1.93 21 Houston 87.74 93.05 - 5.32 22 Carolina 92.24 97.71 - 5.46 23 Chicago 94.95 101.18 - 6.24 24 Tennessee 83.20 90.18 - 6.98 25 Washington 92.15 104.04 - 11.89 26 Philadelphia 80.66 93.90 - 13.24 27 St. Louis 90.11 105.54 - 15.43 28 Jacksonville 71.65 97.40 - 25.75 29 Minnesota 65.66 92.95 - 27.29 30 Tampa Bay 79.44 106.96 - 27.52 31 Oakland 78.10 107.50 - 29.40 32 N.Y. Jets 62.20 113.50 - 51.29 9th place overall, not bad.... we'd be 3rd if we just used KO's rating instead of overall team rating, but that's not exactly fair. Here's Cold Hard Football Fact's "Real" QB Rating differential: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/stats/2014/9/RQRD/ Rank Team RQBR DRQBR RQRD 1 Denver 112.55 78.05 34.50 2 Green Bay 98.90 80.23 18.67 3 New England 95.22 77.44 17.78 4 San Diego 103.77 88.60 15.17 5 Cincinnati 87.61 73.83 13.78 6 N.Y. Giants 91.18 79.40 11.78 7 Miami 82.50 70.86 11.64 8 Buffalo 82.78 71.54 11.24 9 Indianapolis 94.57 84.66 9.91 10 Detroit 80.02 71.49 8.53 11 Seattle 98.54 90.76 7.78 12 Pittsburgh 93.82 86.11 7.71 13 San Francisco 87.53 81.52 6.01 14 Cleveland 83.59 77.84 5.75 15 Baltimore 87.16 81.61 5.55 16 Dallas 94.57 89.54 5.03 17 Kansas City 85.66 80.73 4.93 18 New Orleans 94.73 93.69 1.04 19 Houston 82.80 82.89 - 0.09 20 Arizona 84.38 84.67 - 0.29 21 Tennessee 78.81 80.30 - 1.49 22 Atlanta 85.40 91.81 - 6.41 23 Carolina 84.96 91.93 - 6.97 24 Chicago 84.59 92.46 - 7.87 25 Philadelphia 75.45 83.71 - 8.26 26 Washington 83.35 97.58 - 14.23 27 Minnesota 63.13 81.91 - 18.78 28 Jacksonville 64.11 83.95 - 19.84 29 Tampa Bay 76.22 99.90 - 23.68 30 Oakland 75.48 100.80 - 25.32 31 St. Louis 77.71 104.31 - 26.60 32 N.Y. Jets 58.95 99.77 - 40.82 Wish I could find ESPN's QBR for defenses, but they only have offensive totals. (Tried posting this before, but this board doesn't like tables/tabs... so here goes... sorry if it's ugly)

Wins are overrated.