dayman

Played well in spots. On the whole was beat up though.

Defense let us down today. We were dominated. Congrats to the Bills for keeping it close somehow.

We need primary primaries. Each party has a loon primary and a more centrist primary...then the loon runs against the centrist....then the the two winners of that go against each other lol

I would say hovering right around middle of the pack. Perhaps a bit lower but not much.

Once again, never said tank it every year. I'm saying...very clearly...just take another QB high next year. That doesn't mean tank or give up on EJ. We haven't had a qb in forever, we took EJ, we still don't have a QB. Maybe we will one day, but we do not today. Take QBs. TAke a lot of them.

Yes if you only coach people they thrown balls like world class qbs. But you have to coach them. There had better not be anyone competing with them either. lol

So by develop you mean coddle and devote eras of wasted Bills football? EJ has several games left this season when he comes back, all offseason, all preseason, and a huge heads up on the league and play book on any rookie we bring in. If looking over his shoulder at some new pick we bring in tanks him and the new pick plays better...then the new pick is the QB of the Bills and we are the better for it. What you are describing is ancient thinking and one of the prime reasons the Bills and other bad teams stay bad.

I am in no way saying give up. In fact, I'm arguing the opposite. Don't give up. Don't assume EJ will magically become the guy. If he becomes the guy, great. Keep drafting until he does. Also, just so happens, if you watch him play you can see he is bad.

Please tell me why EJ will succeed.

Johnny was to show that guy that could slip to late first and even 2nd imo can easily beat out EJ. Not saying he would, but yes..I absolutely think Johnny could ball harder than EJ in camp next year, preseason, and start week 1.

If that is the case then so be it. However, chatter indicates several quality QBs this year. Chatter indicated none last year. And personally I would take Johnny Football and make EJ compete with him.

Before he was even picked.

Believe me I've known about EJ for years. Many of my good friends are die hard FSU fans and FSU is obviously the GAtors' (who I am a fan of) in-state rival. He's exactly what he always was and always will be. Sub-par. This won't change imo. I knew he sucked as a Gator fan. My FSU friends all acknowledge he was pretty average. I root for it to change but it just isn't there. I see no way EJ simply learns to throw on a level he clearly cannot throw. Throws bad balls. Also, this man will choke on you too...even though the Panthers blew coverage earlier in the year. Great kid, but kind of a Tebow in that way...you want him to succeed but he isn't going to cut it.

Replace what? We still don't have a good solid qb. Maybe EJ can be one in a few years, probably not IMO he looks bad. But we aren't replacing anything...we don't have anything there.

Do you have a link. It is all over twitter but I haven't seen a major news outlet say that yet.

Usually what happens in family court. Think of how much D. Wade had to go through just to get his kids and their mom is/was supposedly a crack head.

http://www.foxnews.c...-after-alleged/ Twitter now claims the child is dead. Adrian Peterson's 2 year old son may have just been beaten to death by a man the mother was dating. Unbelievably tragic. I joke frequently. That is not a joke though.

So anyway, EJ was a big miss and the Bills aught to take a QB first round next year. If EJ improves and beats that guy out great, but after a decade of bottom feeding the Bills should not sit around waiting and hoping EJ does it for 3 years before bringing in additional talent. EJ smells a lot like Tebow, and throws like him too. Time to nab a QB in a supposedly great QB class.

If an election cycle happened where somehow nobody voted for a Republican or Democrat that would change Washington forever and probably for the better. Don't just not vote incumbents...refuse to vote for either major party. Crazyness would ensue...but it would be worth it and it wouldn't be as crazy as we currently are.

Ok enough whining about mods....lets hear the argument from the EJ defenders. Time to hash this out PPP style.

CJ can't spot a hole like Fred, but not many can. "They" are using him wrong. No screens. No tosses. No slot action. No nothing to get him going. Just hand him the ball and run him up the middle. Unless he bounces it himself...they are treating him like Fred. He is not Fred. He is fast as hell and hard to tackle (contrary to what you have said). I stand by CJ. EJ sucks though, throw him to the wolves. In fact, EJ is so subpar that I would argue that we could actually be better. We really weren't getting quality QB play out of him, there is every bit the chance we get something similar or even better within a few weeks of other guys playing in there. Then our defense gets healthy. We could be better in 2 or 3 weeks w/ out EJ. Optimism.

Geno is by no means great. I'm still saying I would trade EJ for him. EJ has not looked fine to me. Watch him play. Guy can't hit the broadside of a barn. Geno has been improving and throws a great ball. Don't give me "he pretty much beat the pats." What he did was lose to the Pats. And miss a bunch of big throws throughout the first part of the season. He could easily have been worse, in fact he never bottomed out as Geno had done. But you can tell Geno has a live arm and reads the field with aggression. EJ...EJ looks lame back there. Low ceiling. Guy isn't going dominate defenses in this league.

That buy out would not influence me one bit unless I was already considering retiring in the next 2 years.

From everything I've seen so far we absolutely should have taken Geno. EJ is not good, plain and simple. Geno zips the ball around pretty well. I would take a Geno for EJ trade right now. Then again, this is not a new thought of mine. I always thought EJ sucked in college and was appalled when we took him. EJ Manuel sucks. Plain and simple. He's potentially a decent back up in the this league nothing more.

It's all a game. Partisans on both sides have been brainwashed to think it isn't. Nothing can be done about that.